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Re: RTR Resin

Tim O'Connor
 

That's true Gene, but if Intermountain or Exactrail's entire product
lines were made of duplicates of other products, I don't think they would
still be in business. You can get away with some slow sellers, but you
need some big winners too.

Tim O'

Now wait just a minute.
Rib Side, Intermountain and ExactRail all have ribside box cars.
And everybody and their cousin produces HO scale F7s. The AAR 1937 box car
is available from more than one source.
Gene Green
Re: RTR Resin

Tim O'Connor
 

Gene, without getting into semantics, accuracy about some items is
not subjective: If a car has the wrong type of trucks, doors, brakes,
running boards, lettering errors, etc etc -- then I think it's fair
to see anyone who spots the errors is qualified to say so.

Tim O'Connor

It seems taken for granted in this discussion that only kits are accurate and RTR is only inaccurate. 'Taint so in either case. Besides, who among us is qualified to define 'accurate' for anyone but him- or herself?
Gene Green
Re: Red Caboose Tank car question

Tim O'Connor
 

Besides USAX (USQX?) as an owner of the Red Caboose 10,000 gallon
ICC 103W single-dome tank car, there is also UTLX 39150 (and other
numbers too, no doubt) built by ACF in 1951. This car is almost an
exact match to the kit, if you just add two extra tank bands with
strip styrene.

Tim O'Connor
Re: Missing Significant Frt Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Mike

I think the car most likely to be seen on the prototype while
least likely to be seen on a model layout remains the UTLX X-3
tank car. We're always told blah blah it won't sell because it
is a boring paint scheme blah blah... But I'd be shocked if a
good injection molded X-3 couldn't sell 10,000 models. Heck,
if every subscriber to the STMFC bought only 3 of them, that
would be more than 5,000 models right there!

There are at least a half dozen models of MILW rib side 40' box
cars in HO scale, and those don't exactly have dozens of paint
schemes either, do they?

Tim O'

Somewhere in the multitude of comments about RTR non injection molding [
NIM ] frt cars was a suggestion that there might still be a significant frt
car that has NOT been done using the injection molding process. By
definition [ for this message ], a "significant" frt car is one that
appeared in relatively large numbers on American RRs...but not necessarily
on ALL American RRs. Yes, that would include frt cars of all types.
Hence...the obvious AAR Alternate Standard 2 bay offset side hopper car.
Hint: C&O had about 20,000 and they roamed all over states from Illinois to
Virginia, north to Michigan. Two were even filmed crossing Sherman Hill [
gasp! ]. I mean, even Santa Fe had them [ 200 ], NP, NKP, P&WV, Clinchfield,
WLE, and Erie [ strange RR...it didn't go through Erie but...did go through
Brockway so what's not to like? ]. What else? Well...how about a 4 bay
offset side AAR hopper car?

So...what else...other than the UP H-50-4?

Incidentally, MP hopper cars operated from California to WV. Anyone know of
a hopper that operated farther?

Mike Brock
Re: Tank car question

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard, are you sure about the black paint? I have a 1952 color view
of USAX 10983, and it definitely appears to be dark green -- like DGLE,
or Brunswick Green. The lettering is yellow. I think Proto 2000 (or maybe
Intermountain) did a green USAX tank car.

The "light gray" may be "imitation aluminum" -- the color of UPS trailers.
Some photos show DODX tank cars in an aluminum color, but that's well after
the STMFC era.

Tim O'Connor

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As has been discussed here a number of times, there are very few
> correct paint schemes for this post WWII welded type 103W car. The
> most common would have been the US Army Transportation Corps. While
> the Transportation Corps did have some cars in a silver scheme, I'm
> not sure that these cars used that scheme. Additional cars were in
> the SHPX lease fleet (probably black), SL-SF and few in other private
> fleets.


Bruce is correct. Many prewar riveted USQX cars were painted
aluminum when new, but AFAIK all of the welded cars were delivered in
black and stayed that way at least until the late 1950s, after the
reporting marks changed to DODX. In the '60s they were repainted
with light gray tanks, but I've never seen any evidence that any of
them were painted aluminum. Red Caboose issued these models in many
colorful oil co, etc. P/L schemes, but to the best of my knowledge
all of them were bogus, based on P/L schemes applied to earlier
riveted tanks. I have photos of tie cars in both black and gray
which could be used as a lettering guide, but I don't know what's
available in the form of decals or dry transfers.

Richard Hendrickson
Re: Tank car question

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 12, 2011, at 5:39 PM, leakinmywaders wrote:

Richard: Oops, didn't see this in your post til now. Maybe they
were repainted light satin gray-- I haven't seen any very fresh
repaint pics to confirm.
Nor have I, which is why I said in my post to Gene Green that I
wouldn't absolutely rule aluminum out, though it sure doesn't look
like it in the color photos I've seen.

Or are there military paint specs available on this?
Not that I'm aware of.

In any event the Red Caboose models do mellow down to a very nice
light gray satin sheen with appropriate weathering and Dullcote.
That's a good point, Chris, and it had occurred to me, though I
didn't say it. All of this is academic, however, if you're a steam/
transition era modeler, when the cars were painted black.

Richard Hendrickson
Re: Tennessee Central-Rebuilt USRA 3-Bay Hoppers.

Rich Yoder
 

Hey Guys.
I'm still looking for a few photos of those ex Virginian Tennessee Central
cars.
Sincerely, Rich Yoder

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
lnbill
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:04 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Fwd: [STMFC] Re: Tennessee Central-Rebuilt USRA 3-Bay Hoppers.

Hopefully Rich Yoder is monitoring this list and will see this news, He was
particuarly interested in the cars as they appeared on the TC and would like
to know how to get a copy of the photo referred to here am sure.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@...> wrote:



I posted this to the NWHS list; here is the only response.



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD


----- Forwarded Message -----
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To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:25:54 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tennessee Central-Rebuilt USRA 3-Bay Hoppers.


I can't claim to be a guru by any stretch of the imagination, but...these
are the VGN H-5 70 ton cars built to a USRA/ARA (I get confused)design. 
The original design was used by NYC, C&O, and VGN, and had two sawtooth
discharge chutes and a center clamshell.  All three railroads rebuilt these
cars into the three sawtooth chute version.  I believe that C&O's were
rebuilt with peaked or arch ends.  (Al; help!!).  Other than the High
Capacity Gons, these were the largest coal carrying cars on the VGN until
the H-14 70ton triples came in the mid fifties.  There were two of them
left on the Virginian at the time of the N&W merger(per Dow).  When I did
the Virginian Coal Cars clinic I put out a request for any pix of these in
Virginian livery as rebuilt.  A pic of one of the cars on the TC is the
only one that has surfaced to far. 

There is a pretty good picture of one of these in the as built clamshell
version in Hundman's article on the High Capacity gons in one of the last
issues of Mainline Modeler.

With some work the Westerfield NYC (PMckY??)models of either version can
be made into a VGN model. 

Correction or supplementation of the above is welcome, as always.

Frank Bongiovanni


On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:16 AM, NW Mailing List < nw-mailing-list@... >
wrote:






Any VGN gurus have any info on these cars to share?



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD

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I will chime in with information that Rich shared with me about these cars
over the weekend. The cars in question were USRA 3-bay hoppers built for the
Virginian (Who Knew?) who sold them to Ortner rather than rebuild them when
the time came. So the cars in question are rebuilt USRA 3-Bay hoppers owned
second hand by the TC, and probably unknown to most of us. Let the detective
work begin.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com , "Richard Yoder" <wrote:

Thank you Mitch.
I would like to hear from him.
I'm sure there are photos somewhere of the car as purchased from Ortner.
Rich
 

From: Richard Yoder
Subject: [STMFC] Tennessee Central
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 4:57 PM


I'm looking for someone that may have photos from the Tennessee Central
railroad.
If you know of someone please contact me.
Sincerely, Rich Yoder



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Re: RTR Resin

Dave Nelson
 

Depending on the car, several to many.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
Besides, who among us is qualified to define 'accurate' for anyone but him-
or herself?

Gene Green



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Re: RTR Resin

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Once again I came late to the conversation and repeated a bunch of stuff already better stated by others. Sorry.
Gene Green
Re: RTR Resin

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Now wait just a minute.
Rib Side, Intermountain and ExactRail all have ribside box cars.
And everybody and their cousin produces HO scale F7s. The AAR 1937 box car is available from more than one source.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Garth, not really -- you pointed out Ertl's #1 mistake -- they
produced models that ALREADY EXISTED in resin or plastic. The
cars also were too light, and had terrible trucks and couplers.
Not going to appeal to the RTR crowd that way.

And it was an MEC gondola, not ACL. ACL gons had different ends.

Tim O'Connor
Re: RTR Resin

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

It seems taken for granted in this discussion that only kits are accurate and RTR is only inaccurate. 'Taint so in either case. Besides, who among us is qualified to define 'accurate' for anyone but him- or herself?

Gene Green
Re: Tank car question

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Clark,
USAX or DODX for sure since that was the prototype for the kit. One of those DODX tank cars is on display at Holloman AFB, Alamogordo, NM.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, cepropst@... wrote:

A friend picked up a Red Caboose tank car kit in a shop that still has a few kits, Westerfield kits still on the shelf!

The body is silver with data only. He'd like to know what reporting marks would be acceptable.

Thanks!
Clark Propst
Re: Tank car question

leakinmywaders
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
....>any prewar riveted USQX cars were painted
aluminum when new, but AFAIK all of the welded cars were delivered in
black and stayed that way at least until the late 1950s, after the
reporting marks changed to DODX. In the '60s they were repainted
with light gray tanks, but I've never seen any evidence that any of
them were painted aluminum. ....
Richard: Oops, didn't see this in your post til now. Maybe they were repainted light satin gray-- I haven't seen any very fresh repaint pics to confirm. Or are there military paint specs available on this? In any event the Red Caboose models do mellow down to a very nice light gray satin sheen with appropriate weathering and Dullcote.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT
Re: Tank car question

leakinmywaders
 

Clark: This car is accurate and ready-made to letter as a USAX or (later) DODX tank car in the silver repaint scheme. (I have done a couple and am still searching for 2 or 3 more of these very kits, to no avail.) But that repaint scheme was mostly beyond the temporal purview of this list. I posted a couple of photos that are still up over on the BBFCL Yahoo Group. Here are the real cars in question:

http://pfe_coi.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2390008

http://pfe_coi.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2390009


Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, cepropst@... wrote:

A friend picked up a Red Caboose tank car kit in a shop that still has a few kits, Westerfield kits still on the shelf!

The body is silver with data only. He'd like to know what reporting marks would be acceptable.

Thanks!
Clark Propst
Vacuum vs. pressure casting

Jim King
 

I produce a lot of industrial castings during the year. The "resins"
(urethanes) I use are high-grade, industrial-quality with a very high heat
tolerance. The cured casting has physical properties between styrene and
ABS. Vacuum casting fails miserably with these types of resins because they
kick over quickly and require heat and pressure to cure properly. Without
pressure, the end result looks like Swiss cheese, just with smaller holes.
Pressure works for 1-pc bodies and flat castings but, like anything else, ya
gotta know how the process it all . and that's proprietary.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>
MP hoppers California to West Virginia

asychis@...
 

Incidentally, MP hopper cars operated from California to WV. Anyone know of

a hopper that operated farther?


Mike, any details on this?

Jerry Michels
Re: Missing Significant Frt Cars

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Richard,

Nope! You have not done all you could do. Ya gots to build 'em also... Then -- and only then -- will we all be blessed with super detailed and accurate Enterprise GS gons.

Thanks in advance for your gallant efforts to improve the freight car availability for the rest of us.

Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA




On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:42 PM, richtownsend@netscape.net wrote:


What else? How about a multi-dome tank car? (Actually, I think a multi-dome wine car would do well for all the same reasons pickle cars do well, and still be useful for the prototype-oriented among us.)

An AAR stock car with the proper roof?

Attention ye gods of contrariness: Here is something THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN: Enterprise GS gons. I'm going to go scratchbuild a bunch of them right now. You watching, gods of contrariness? And buy a bunch of brass ones. THESE NEVER WILL BE AVAILABLE IN PLASTIC. [OK, I've done all I can do to provoke the gods.]

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: mike brock <brockm@brevard.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Apr 12, 2011 3:27 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Missing Significant Frt Cars

Somewhere in the multitude of comments about RTR non injection molding [
NIM ] frt cars was a suggestion that there might still be a significant frt
car that has NOT been done using the injection molding process. By
definition [ for this message ], a "significant" frt car is one that
appeared in relatively large numbers on American RRs...but not necessarily
on ALL American RRs. Yes, that would include frt cars of all types.
Hence...the obvious AAR Alternate Standard 2 bay offset side hopper car.
Hint: C&O had about 20,000 and they roamed all over states from Illinois to
Virginia, north to Michigan. Two were even filmed crossing Sherman Hill [
gasp! ]. I mean, even Santa Fe had them [ 200 ], NP, NKP, P&WV, Clinchfield,
WLE, and Erie [ strange RR...it didn't go through Erie but...did go through
Brockway so what's not to like? ]. What else? Well...how about a 4 bay
offset side AAR hopper car?

So...what else...other than the UP H-50-4?

Incidentally, MP hopper cars operated from California to WV. Anyone know of
a hopper that operated farther?

Mike Brock

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Re: Missing Significant Frt Cars

SHAY STARK
 

Somewhere in the multitude of comments about RTR non injection molding [
NIM ] frt cars was a suggestion that there might still be a significant frt
car that has NOT been done using the injection molding process.
The ARA XM-1 seems to me to fit the bill. Multipule roads and with a little creativity it could be developed with multipule ends, doors, roofs and underframes that would correctly match many cars and be acceptable standins for several others. I knwo I would end up purchasing quite a few.

GATX 1920's tank car aka Sunshine and even the X-3 should be considered since they were found everywhere. You can even paint a 6500 gal X-3 up Durango and Silverton and have an accurate paint scheme for the toy market.

Also I agree with the Enterprise GS Gondola.

Thanks

Shay Stark
Re: Missing Significant Frt Cars

Aley, Jeff A
 

Richard,

One of the corollaries to Murhpy’s Law (sic) is that “Washing your car to make it rain doesn’t work.”

Regards,

-Jeff

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richtownsend@netscape.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:42 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Missing Significant Frt Cars


Attention ye gods of contrariness: Here is something THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN: Enterprise GS gons. I'm going to go scratchbuild a bunch of them right now. You watching, gods of contrariness? And buy a bunch of brass ones. THESE NEVER WILL BE AVAILABLE IN PLASTIC. [OK, I've done all I can do to provoke the gods.]

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
Re: Missing Significant Frt Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

mike brock wrote:
Incidentally, MP hopper cars operated from California to WV. Anyone know of a hopper that operated farther?
There are photos of Reading hoppers in Los Angeles. Hard to beat that.

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