Re: RTR Resin
That's true Gene, but if Intermountain or Exactrail's entire product
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lines were made of duplicates of other products, I don't think they would still be in business. You can get away with some slow sellers, but you need some big winners too. Tim O'
Now wait just a minute.
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Re: RTR Resin
Gene, without getting into semantics, accuracy about some items is
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not subjective: If a car has the wrong type of trucks, doors, brakes, running boards, lettering errors, etc etc -- then I think it's fair to see anyone who spots the errors is qualified to say so. Tim O'Connor
It seems taken for granted in this discussion that only kits are accurate and RTR is only inaccurate. 'Taint so in either case. Besides, who among us is qualified to define 'accurate' for anyone but him- or herself?
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Re: Red Caboose Tank car question
Besides USAX (USQX?) as an owner of the Red Caboose 10,000 gallon
ICC 103W single-dome tank car, there is also UTLX 39150 (and other numbers too, no doubt) built by ACF in 1951. This car is almost an exact match to the kit, if you just add two extra tank bands with strip styrene. Tim O'Connor
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Re: Missing Significant Frt Cars
Mike
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I think the car most likely to be seen on the prototype while least likely to be seen on a model layout remains the UTLX X-3 tank car. We're always told blah blah it won't sell because it is a boring paint scheme blah blah... But I'd be shocked if a good injection molded X-3 couldn't sell 10,000 models. Heck, if every subscriber to the STMFC bought only 3 of them, that would be more than 5,000 models right there! There are at least a half dozen models of MILW rib side 40' box cars in HO scale, and those don't exactly have dozens of paint schemes either, do they? Tim O'
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Re: Tank car question
Richard, are you sure about the black paint? I have a 1952 color view
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of USAX 10983, and it definitely appears to be dark green -- like DGLE, or Brunswick Green. The lettering is yellow. I think Proto 2000 (or maybe Intermountain) did a green USAX tank car. The "light gray" may be "imitation aluminum" -- the color of UPS trailers. Some photos show DODX tank cars in an aluminum color, but that's well after the STMFC era. Tim O'Connor -----------------------------------
As has been discussed here a number of times, there are very few> correct paint schemes for this post WWII welded type 103W car. The > most common would have been the US Army Transportation Corps. While > the Transportation Corps did have some cars in a silver scheme, I'm > not sure that these cars used that scheme. Additional cars were in > the SHPX lease fleet (probably black), SL-SF and few in other private > fleets. Bruce is correct. Many prewar riveted USQX cars were painted
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Re: Tank car question
Richard Hendrickson
On Apr 12, 2011, at 5:39 PM, leakinmywaders wrote:
Richard: Oops, didn't see this in your post til now. Maybe theyNor have I, which is why I said in my post to Gene Green that I wouldn't absolutely rule aluminum out, though it sure doesn't look like it in the color photos I've seen. Or are there military paint specs available on this?Not that I'm aware of. In any event the Red Caboose models do mellow down to a very niceThat's a good point, Chris, and it had occurred to me, though I didn't say it. All of this is academic, however, if you're a steam/ transition era modeler, when the cars were painted black. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Tennessee Central-Rebuilt USRA 3-Bay Hoppers.
Hey Guys.
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I'm still looking for a few photos of those ex Virginian Tennessee Central cars. Sincerely, Rich Yoder
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lnbill Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:04 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [STMFC] Re: Tennessee Central-Rebuilt USRA 3-Bay Hoppers. Hopefully Rich Yoder is monitoring this list and will see this news, He was particuarly interested in the cars as they appeared on the TC and would like to know how to get a copy of the photo referred to here am sure. Bill Welch --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@...> wrote: are the VGN H-5 70 ton cars built to a USRA/ARA (I get confused)design. The original design was used by NYC, C&O, and VGN, and had two sawtooth discharge chutes and a center clamshell. All three railroads rebuilt these cars into the three sawtooth chute version. I believe that C&O's were rebuilt with peaked or arch ends. (Al; help!!). Other than the High Capacity Gons, these were the largest coal carrying cars on the VGN until the H-14 70ton triples came in the mid fifties. There were two of them left on the Virginian at the time of the N&W merger(per Dow). When I did the Virginian Coal Cars clinic I put out a request for any pix of these in Virginian livery as rebuilt. A pic of one of the cars on the TC is the only one that has surfaced to far. version in Hundman's article on the High Capacity gons in one of the last issues of Mainline Modeler. be made into a VGN model. wrote: over the weekend. The cars in question were USRA 3-bay hoppers built for the Virginian (Who Knew?) who sold them to Ortner rather than rebuild them when the time came. So the cars in question are rebuilt USRA 3-Bay hoppers owned second hand by the TC, and probably unknown to most of us. Let the detective work begin.
Rich ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: RTR Resin
Dave Nelson
Depending on the car, several to many.
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Dave Nelson
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Besides, who among us is qualified to define 'accurate' for anyone but him- or herself? Gene Green ------------------------------------
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Re: RTR Resin
Gene <bierglaeser@...>
Once again I came late to the conversation and repeated a bunch of stuff already better stated by others. Sorry.
Gene Green
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Re: RTR Resin
Gene <bierglaeser@...>
Now wait just a minute.
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Rib Side, Intermountain and ExactRail all have ribside box cars. And everybody and their cousin produces HO scale F7s. The AAR 1937 box car is available from more than one source. Gene Green
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: RTR Resin
Gene <bierglaeser@...>
It seems taken for granted in this discussion that only kits are accurate and RTR is only inaccurate. 'Taint so in either case. Besides, who among us is qualified to define 'accurate' for anyone but him- or herself?
Gene Green
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Re: Tank car question
Gene <bierglaeser@...>
Clark,
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USAX or DODX for sure since that was the prototype for the kit. One of those DODX tank cars is on display at Holloman AFB, Alamogordo, NM. Gene Green
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, cepropst@... wrote:
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Re: Tank car question
leakinmywaders
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
....>any prewar riveted USQX cars were painted aluminum when new, but AFAIK all of the welded cars were delivered inRichard: Oops, didn't see this in your post til now. Maybe they were repainted light satin gray-- I haven't seen any very fresh repaint pics to confirm. Or are there military paint specs available on this? In any event the Red Caboose models do mellow down to a very nice light gray satin sheen with appropriate weathering and Dullcote. Chris Frissell Polson, MT
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Re: Tank car question
leakinmywaders
Clark: This car is accurate and ready-made to letter as a USAX or (later) DODX tank car in the silver repaint scheme. (I have done a couple and am still searching for 2 or 3 more of these very kits, to no avail.) But that repaint scheme was mostly beyond the temporal purview of this list. I posted a couple of photos that are still up over on the BBFCL Yahoo Group. Here are the real cars in question:
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http://pfe_coi.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2390008 http://pfe_coi.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2390009 Chris Frissell Polson, MT
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Vacuum vs. pressure casting
Jim King
I produce a lot of industrial castings during the year. The "resins"
(urethanes) I use are high-grade, industrial-quality with a very high heat tolerance. The cured casting has physical properties between styrene and ABS. Vacuum casting fails miserably with these types of resins because they kick over quickly and require heat and pressure to cure properly. Without pressure, the end result looks like Swiss cheese, just with smaller holes. Pressure works for 1-pc bodies and flat castings but, like anything else, ya gotta know how the process it all . and that's proprietary. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. Ph. (828) 777-5619 <www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>
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MP hoppers California to West Virginia
asychis@...
Incidentally, MP hopper cars operated from California to WV. Anyone know of
a hopper that operated farther? Mike, any details on this? Jerry Michels
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Re: Missing Significant Frt Cars
William Keene <wakeene@...>
Richard,
Nope! You have not done all you could do. Ya gots to build 'em also... Then -- and only then -- will we all be blessed with super detailed and accurate Enterprise GS gons. Thanks in advance for your gallant efforts to improve the freight car availability for the rest of us. Happy Modeling, Bill Keene Irvine, CA On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:42 PM, richtownsend@netscape.net wrote:
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Re: Missing Significant Frt Cars
SHAY STARK
Somewhere in the multitude of comments about RTR non injection molding [
NIM ] frt cars was a suggestion that there might still be a significant frtThe ARA XM-1 seems to me to fit the bill. Multipule roads and with a little creativity it could be developed with multipule ends, doors, roofs and underframes that would correctly match many cars and be acceptable standins for several others. I knwo I would end up purchasing quite a few. GATX 1920's tank car aka Sunshine and even the X-3 should be considered since they were found everywhere. You can even paint a 6500 gal X-3 up Durango and Silverton and have an accurate paint scheme for the toy market. Also I agree with the Enterprise GS Gondola. Thanks Shay Stark
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Re: Missing Significant Frt Cars
Aley, Jeff A
Richard,
One of the corollaries to Murhpy’s Law (sic) is that “Washing your car to make it rain doesn’t work.” Regards, -Jeff From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richtownsend@netscape.net Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:42 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Missing Significant Frt Cars Attention ye gods of contrariness: Here is something THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN: Enterprise GS gons. I'm going to go scratchbuild a bunch of them right now. You watching, gods of contrariness? And buy a bunch of brass ones. THESE NEVER WILL BE AVAILABLE IN PLASTIC. [OK, I've done all I can do to provoke the gods.] Richard Townsend Lincoln City, Oregon
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Re: Missing Significant Frt Cars
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
mike brock wrote:
Incidentally, MP hopper cars operated from California to WV. Anyone know of a hopper that operated farther?There are photos of Reading hoppers in Los Angeles. Hard to beat that. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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