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Re: Help with painting

roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...>
 

Thanks Richard that's all I need to know. Much appreciated.

Warm regards to all

Rob McLear.

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
Rob, Express reefers and box cars are specifically regarded as a
legitimate part of the group's subject matter. And NYC head end cars were painted a somewhat lighter and less brownish olive green than
Pullman green, a color that several paint manufacturers call coach
green. Roofs and underbodies were black. And by the time those cars got to Cajon Pass, they were invariably dirty (and in general, most
of them were dirty and weathered to start with, as NYC wasn't known
for meticulous maintenance).

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: Sunshine Mini-Kit instructions wanted

Andy Harman
 

At 05:02 PM 4/23/2011 -0400, you wrote:
I was bidding on one on eBay but quit after it past $63. Someone wanted it
badly. A good candidate for upgrade and re-issue.
$63 for a mini kit?

Andy


Re: Soo automobile car & others to identify

Jack Mullen
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:



I'm wondering about built or re-built date and HO modelling options for each of these cars (as I model 1946).

Included in the list is:
...
- CNW 77322 - has 10 panel sides, 5/5 ends, 3 panel doors, 12 flat panel roof
...
Modified AAR, 10'5"IH, 76900-77414 even, Pullman 5-42. Viking roof, not flat panel. Kind of hard to see but you can distinguish the corrugations at the eave. The ends are round cornered. And while the door does have three panels, you'd be clearer calling it a 6/7/6 Youngstown door. 3 panel with no mention of corrugation suggests a flat panel door, e.g. Creco.
There were other lots by ACF and Pullman built 1941-42 and numbered in the lower 7xxxxs which as far as I know are identical except for choice of appliances.

I believe there is more than one source for a mod. AAR boxcar in HO, and somebody made a Viking roof, but it's not my scale so I can't give you any guidance.

Jack Mullen


Re: Soo automobile car & others to identify

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Rob

I think these were built in 1942. 50 foot AAR cars with 12'6" door openings
and S-corner ends. A builder photo of 176480 in Dorin's "The Soo Line". From
series 175900-176498...
Even numbers only. These are really hard to model, as the 12'-6" door opening is centered on the car, not staggered like a normal automobile car. While the Soo called these automobile cars (because the AAR called them automobile cars) they were not loader equipped, and I suspect they were really purchased for hauling rolled paper. The Soo had something like 1300 cars in eight or nine different groups built between 1937 and 1957, all with this same door arrangement, which may have been unique to the Soo. The later cars with the improved Dreadnaught ends are pretty easy to kitbash by plugging the double doors from an Accurail 40' double door car into any of several fifty foot cars, but I haven't given much thought how to do these earlier cars.

Dennis


Re: Soo automobile car & others to identify

Tim O'Connor
 

Rob

I think these were built in 1942. 50 foot AAR cars with 12'6" door openings
and S-corner ends. A builder photo of 176480 in Dorin's "The Soo Line". From
series 175900-176498.

Tim O'Connor

---------------------------------

Soo 176356 (number slightly illegible). The car has double doors made of
3 corrugated panels; 5/5 ends; 15 panel roof, and . . . I can't count the side panels.
Rob Kirkham


Soo automobile car & others to identify

Robert kirkham
 

I'm continuing to mine car in photos of my chosen prototype for modelling opportunities (as well as fleet data). So I have posted a number of blown up images into the files section at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Vancouver%20BC%20post%20war%20yard%20photos%20/N%20yard%201948/ .

I'm wondering about built or re-built date and HO modelling options for each of these cars (as I model 1946).

Included in the list is:

- Soo 176356 (number slightly illegible). The car has double doors made of 3 corrugated panels; 5/5 ends; 15 panel roof, and . . . I can't count the side panels.

- CNW 77322 - has 10 panel sides, 5/5 ends, 3 panel doors, 12 flat panel roof

- B & O boxcar - reminds me of the PRR X29

- NYC double door car - 2 wider (8'?) doors on the sides.

- a car with almost no reporting marks - seems to have 4 1/2 panels each side of the doors, 7/8 ends - some sort of re-build?

- another car with illegible marks on the end - a partial view at the edge of the photo - shows a composite car - steel frame single sheathed. The side sills dip to suggest a fishbelly profile. I'd guess the reporting marks have two letters followed by a number - not much help.


Rob Kirkham


Re: Sunshine Mini-Kit instructions wanted

Larry Sexton
 

I was bidding on one on eBay but quit after it past $63. Someone wanted it
badly. A good candidate for upgrade and re-issue.



Larry Sexton



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Jim
Hayes
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 4:29 PM
To: Stm Frt Cars
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine Mini-Kit instructions wanted





Does anyone have the Sunshine Mini-Kit for the Wabash auto service USRA
clone boxcar?

It's used with a Tichy boxcar kit. It's one I don't have for my website and
someone has been asking about it.

Thanks,

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Foreign Road Stock Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

ummm, Ben, Greg said TRAILING. That means BEHIND the MP car... i.e.
he was being humorous... get it?

Tim O'Connor

-----------------------

"But I just wonder what is trailing that MP stock car? Perhaps a UP S-40-10."

Completely incorrect. The UP Class S-40-10 has a "Pratt" or "W" arrangment of
the side truss; this car has a "Howe" or "M" arrangement. See my previous
post, where I conclusively identified this car as a MILW stock car.

Ben Hom


Sunshine Mini-Kit instructions wanted

Jim Hayes
 

Does anyone have the Sunshine Mini-Kit for the Wabash auto service USRA
clone boxcar?

It's used with a Tichy boxcar kit. It's one I don't have for my website and
someone has been asking about it.

Thanks,

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Help with painting

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 23, 2011, at 12:12 AM, roblmclear wrote:

I dont know if this is the right list to be on as I am dealing with
express refrigerator and express box cars. I am a modeller in N
scale and model the ATSF over Cajon Pass in California in
1947-1949. The NYC had numerous cars in service with the Santa Fe
both on the Fast Mail Express and on the Chief. I hope that you
might be able to answer some of my questions.

First I have kitbashed a NYC Express Reefer from an Athearn Milk
car and have added the fishbelly side sills and rivets from Archer
rivets. I have also kitbashed an Express Boxcar from a Microtrains
Troop Sleeper, my question to the group is what colour should these
be painted. Given my era, should the roofs be black or the same
colour as the body. Is Pullman Green the correct colour or should
it be something different. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rob McLear
Brisbane Australia.
Rob, Express reefers and box cars are specifically regarded as a
legitimate part of the group's subject matter. And NYC head end cars
were painted a somewhat lighter and less brownish olive green than
Pullman green, a color that several paint manufacturers call coach
green. Roofs and underbodies were black. And by the time those cars
got to Cajon Pass, they were invariably dirty (and in general, most
of them were dirty and weathered to start with, as NYC wasn't known
for meticulous maintenance).

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Foreign Road Stock Cars

Charles Hladik
 

Guys,
Greg asked "what was TRAILING", not leading. The MP car is the last
one I see in the photo. Maybe he's just hoping.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 4/23/2011 12:24:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
schuyler.larrabee@... writes:




Greg Martin wrote:
_http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=268_
(http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=268)

"But I just wonder what is trailing that MP stock car? Perhaps a UP
S-40-10."

Completely incorrect. The UP Class S-40-10 has a "Pratt" or "W" arrangement
of
the side truss; this car has a "Howe" or "M" arrangement. See my previous
post, where I conclusively identified this car as a MILW stock car.

Ben Hom

Ben, you gize are so literal! Greg was talking about the car you cannot
see, out of the picture to the right . . .

SGL

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Re: Foreign Road Stock Cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Greg Martin wrote:
http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=268

"But I just wonder what is trailing that MP stock car? Perhaps a UP
S-40-10."

Completely incorrect. The UP Class S-40-10 has a "Pratt" or "W" arrangement
of
the side truss; this car has a "Howe" or "M" arrangement. See my previous
post, where I conclusively identified this car as a MILW stock car.

Ben Hom



Ben, you gize are so literal! Greg was talking about the car you cannot
see, out of the picture to the right . . .



SGL





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NYC 824-H 3 bay hoppers

Brian Carlson
 

I'm looking to model a couple of these and I was wondering what model is a
better starting point. The Bowser/Stewart or the Accurail car. I can't
compare the proto photos I have to the small model photos on the web to
really tell.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY


Re: Foreign Road Stock Cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Greg Martin wrote:
http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=268

"But I just wonder what is trailing that MP stock car? Perhaps a UP S-40-10."

Completely incorrect.  The UP Class S-40-10 has a "Pratt" or "W" arrangment of
the side truss; this car has a "Howe" or "M" arrangement.   See my previous
post, where I conclusively identified this car as a MILW stock car.


Ben Hom


Re: Help with painting

jerryglow2
 

I assume you're familiar with Steve Sandifer's site: http://www.trainweb.org/jssand/

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "roblmclear" <rob.mclear3@...> wrote:

I dont know if this is the right list to be on as I am dealing with express refrigerator and express box cars. I am a modeller in N scale and model the ATSF over Cajon Pass in California in 1947-1949. The NYC had numerous cars in service with the Santa Fe both on the Fast Mail Express and on the Chief. I hope that you might be able to answer some of my questions.

First I have kitbashed a NYC Express Reefer from an Athearn Milk car and have added the fishbelly side sills and rivets from Archer rivets. I have also kitbashed an Express Boxcar from a Microtrains Troop Sleeper, my question to the group is what colour should these be painted. Given my era, should the roofs be black or the same colour as the body. Is Pullman Green the correct colour or should it be something different. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rob McLear
Brisbane Australia.


Re: SMMW photo-etched parts web page

Clark Propst
 

Those gondola tie down loops might also work for the pulling loops attached to the sills of cars?
Clark Propst


Re: Wood floors in gons?

water.kresse@...
 

I believe you need to qualify the area of the country during the steam era after 1910.  If you're talking the coal country around the C&O, N&W etc. railways you are going to find steel floors in steel gons much more common.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:02:57 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wood floors in gons?

Edward Sutorik wrote:
Someone on the Atlas forum asked about wood floors in gons--in  
particular, Railgons.  I "asserted" that Railgons never had wood  
floors.But it did get me wondering about the general case.  It's  
interesting that typical flat cars have wood deck flooring; but, it  
appears to me, that gons rarely do.  I thought I'd ask "the folks"  
their opinions on the matter.
      Wood gondola floors were more common than steel ones in the  
steam era, for the exact same reason that wood decks were used on flat  
cars: loads and cribbing were more easily attached.
       The biggest exception was the kind of mill gon which normally  
carried steel structural shapes or plate. These did not have to be  
secured with any dunnage in most cases and needed to be as durable as  
possible.
       ORER entries often identify wood vs. steel floors in gondolas,  
simply so car clerks would know the proper assignment of such cars.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history



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Help with painting

roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...>
 

I dont know if this is the right list to be on as I am dealing with express refrigerator and express box cars. I am a modeller in N scale and model the ATSF over Cajon Pass in California in 1947-1949. The NYC had numerous cars in service with the Santa Fe both on the Fast Mail Express and on the Chief. I hope that you might be able to answer some of my questions.

First I have kitbashed a NYC Express Reefer from an Athearn Milk car and have added the fishbelly side sills and rivets from Archer rivets. I have also kitbashed an Express Boxcar from a Microtrains Troop Sleeper, my question to the group is what colour should these be painted. Given my era, should the roofs be black or the same colour as the body. Is Pullman Green the correct colour or should it be something different. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rob McLear
Brisbane Australia.


Re: Scale Digital Caliper

Andy Harman
 

At 10:50 PM 4/22/2011 -0000, you wrote:

All these estimations have a use, and a place where they are appropriate,
but we need to realize what we are doing. Some of the recent messages here
are telling me that some people might not.

As a college math professor once admonished me, if I have a calculator at
my disposal there's no reason to round off any intermediate result.

I use the calipers to measure, and a calculator to convert. I don't trust
any of my brain math skills anymore. I was good at it until I discovered
computers.

Andy


Re: Scale Digital Caliper

Andy Harman
 

At 10:15 AM 4/22/2011 -0700, you wrote:
I'm struck by the fact that no one has mentioned using a
micrometer instead of a caliper.
I have one of those too, also inherited. My dad didn't leave a whole lot
in his estate. A 64 Pontiac, a couple of clarinets, a beat up brass
Niagara, and a lot of cool tools. I have to find that one too, but my
China dial caliper is accurate enough for most of what I do. Then again if
I start messing around with precision tools, I might become a true
caliper-head model builder. Or just as likely... an Elvis impersonator.

Andy

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