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Re: Soo 176356

Clark Propst
 

It all depends on your tolerance level Richard. What errors you can live with. If I want a model of a particular car and none is available, I'll live with the wrong number of panels. Nobody's going to count them while the car is moving around on the layout anyway. You haven't visited : )

I also feel that some guys look at discrepancies as excuses for why they can't build models.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Slightly wrong trucks? I can accept that if there are no "exactly
right" trucks available.

Wrong number and arrangement of side sheathing panels? Whoa!

Richard Hendrickson





Re: Soo 176356

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 25, 2011, at 1:28 PM, cepropst@q.com wrote:

I consider kitbashing a 'near miss' sport. I'll take a slightly
wrong car over no car anyday !
Clark Propst
I don't disagree with that. But what there's likely to be much
disagreement about is what constitutes "slightly wrong."

Slightly wrong trucks? I can accept that if there are no "exactly
right" trucks available.

Wrong number and arrangement of side sheathing panels? Whoa!

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Soo 176356

Clark Propst
 

I consider kitbashing a 'near miss' sport. I'll take a slightly wrong car over no car anyday !
Clark Propst


N&W HC/HC-1 Paint Help

jerrybrown_20
 

Hello To All,

I need help on the shade of gray for N&W covered hoppers, class HC and HC-1, during the late 40's.

Thanks for your replys,

Gerald Brown


Re: Rails by the River

Richard Townsend
 

I don't know how that happened, but that message was intended for Greg Martin. Sorry to everyone else.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

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From: richtownsend@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 11:19 am
Subject: [STMFC] Rails by the River





Greg,

Would you be interested in a clinic on early aluminum freight cars for this year's Rails by the River?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon









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Re: Soo 176356

Paul Lyons
 

Dennis Storzek wrote

while the P2K cars have six, but will end up with 5-1/4 with the new wider doors. It just doesn't work, although new styrene sides with Archer rivets could be a possibility.






Since we have agreed that the P2K roof is really not right, would you want to spend that much time for a finished model that is still not correct? I would not!
Paul Lyons


Re: Soo 176356

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Or am I missing key spotting features? I suppose a lot depends on the width
of the kit doors and the spacing of the side panels on the model. I'm
assuming they are basically the same.

Rob Kirkham
That's precisely the problem. The common eight foot door ends four feet each side of centerline. The 12'-6" door opening will end 2'-3" further from the center of the car, but that 2'-3" doesn't equal a full panel of side sheathing. The Soo cars had five more or less equal width panels to each side of the door, while the P2K cars have six, but will end up with 5-1/4 with the new wider doors. It just doesn't work, although new styrene sides with Archer rivets could be a possibility.

Dennis


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Dave Owens
 

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Re: Wine Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 24, 2011, at 6:55 PM, tyesac@... (Tom Casey) wrote:

There's also, on both cars, what appears more like a square
insulated reefer hatch on each dome.
Which is what one would expect of an access hatch to reach the dome
manway (which, in those days, would have been threaded, not hinged.

Also, the hoses used to load these cars appears to be somewhat
casually draped from the building
and (presumably) just pouring the load into the car via gravity
feed, which together with the overhead
wires, implies a non flammable (and non caustic) load.

So, what about that box beam structure above the draft gear?
I'm not seeing that in the photo, Tom. If I'm right that the
underframes are GATC, the standard German-American underframe of that
period had the running boards somewhat elevated above the center
sills and draft gear, so you're seeing some space between the top of
the draft gear and the lateral running board on the end.


Richard Hendrickson


Rails by the River

Richard Townsend
 

Greg,

Would you be interested in a clinic on early aluminum freight cars for this year's Rails by the River?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Westerfield GTW Fowler Kit #4354 Instructions Needed

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Riley - Send me your postal address and I'll send you a copy. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Riley K
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 7:54 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Westerfield GTW Fowler Kit #4354 Instructions Needed



Hello, can some one direct me to a site where I can download the above, or does anyone have them and would email them to me?

Thanks,

Riley Kinney


Re: Westerfield GTW Fowler Kit #4354 Instructions Needed

Riley K <riley050748@...>
 

I have found someone who is providing the instructions. Thanks to all for looking.

Riley Kinney

--- In STMFC@..., "Riley K" <riley050748@...> wrote:

Hello, can some one direct me to a site where I can download the above, or does anyone have them and would email them to me?

Thanks,

Riley Kinney


Westerfield GTW Fowler Kit #4354 Instructions Needed

Riley K <riley050748@...>
 

Hello, can some one direct me to a site where I can download the above, or does anyone have them and would email them to me?

Thanks,

Riley Kinney


Re: NYC 55000-55999 series automobile cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Rob Kirkham asked:
"I don't suppose anyone knows of an HO model of these?"

There aren't any short of scratchbuilding or heavy kitbashing of USRA-design
steel boxcar models to produce taller models.  During the early 1930s, the NYCS
built evolutionary developments of the USRA-design steel boxcars in both auto
and boxcar designs with varying ends and inside heights (9 ft 4 in to 10 ft). 
While nowhere near as plentiful as the 8 ft 7 in IH USRA-design steel boxcar
lots, these early 1930s auto cars and boxcars are also distinctly
NYCS. Unfortunately, the NYCS boxcar fleet has been very poorly represented in
models outide of AAR designs (and not particularly represented even there, with
10 ft IH postwar cars available only in resin).  This boxcar fleet has just as
much variety as the far better documented PRR and ATSF boxcar fleets, and the
resin manufacturers have barely scratched the surface.


This subject definitely deserves closer analysis, and previously presented
overviews of NYCS car fleets at PM meets (English, Hinman, Kline) certainly
deserve greater distribution.  Just because the historical society is moribund
doesn't mean the rest of us can't help to fill the vacuum.


Ben Hom


NYC 55000-55999 series automobile cars

Robert kirkham
 

While I'm no expert on anything NYC, my review of the photos on the Terry Link's Canada Southern site suggests this series bears a resemblance to the 1948 photo I posted last week http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Vancouver%20BC%20post%20war%20yard%20photos%20/N%20yard%201948/.

The Canada Southern site includes a photo from the Richard Burg collection posted at http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-55999.jpg and a drawing at http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-610.jpg. These cars were apparently built in 1930. The photo seems to suggest paired rivet rows at each panel seam spaced perhaps as much as 6" apart (rough guess). The roster info also includes this detail: "VARIOUS CARS RENUMBERED NYC 199000-199999 STARTING IN 1941. RENUMBERED NYC 214000-214999 STARTING IN 1952. RENUMBERED NYC 223000-223999 STARTING IN 1959. SOME CARS CONVERTED TO LOT 924-B." For my modelling era of 1946, only the first of these re-numberings is of concern.

I take it these re-numberings did not eliminate the entire number series (at least not immediately) - such that cars were in both the NYC 55000-55999 series and cars in the NYC 199000-199999 series at the same time. But then I have to ask - were cars in both series identical? Either class would be good to see in a very clear photo but my access to NYC rolling stock photos does not include anything in the series.



I don't suppose anyone knows of an HO model of these?



Rob Kirkham


Re: Wine Tank Cars

tyesac@...
 

However, wine did require protection from major
temperature variations, so I think what you're seeing here is
actually a steel tank, with some sort of lining, to which wood
insulation had been applied

There's also, on both cars, what appears more like a square insulated reefer hatch on each dome.

Also, the hoses used to load these cars appears to be somewhat casually draped from the building
and (presumably) just pouring the load into the car via gravity feed, which together with the overhead
wires, implies a non flammable (and non caustic) load.

So, what about that box beam structure above the draft gear?

Tom Casey

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 11:49 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wine Tank Cars




On Apr 21, 2011, at 11:17 PM, Bob C wrote:

Below is a link to an image I found of wooden tank cars being
loaded at the Winehaven facility in Richmond, CA, circa 1918. The
image is from the Richmond Public Library. The image can be
enlarged quite a bit without losing detail.

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt658025x8/

There appears to be no markings on these tank cars. Does anyone
know more about them?
That's a very interesting photo, Bob. Too bad the tank cars aren't
more in the foreground, though - as you say - one can enlarge the
image. The underframes appear to be of General American (or rather,
at the time they were built, German American) origin. I'm inclined
to doubt that the tanks were actually wood. Wine, unlike vinegar,
didn't require wood tanks, and there would have been some serious
structural problems making the joints between the tank and the ends
and dome leakproof. However, wine did require protection from major
temperature variations, so I think what you're seeing here is
actually a steel tank, with some sort of lining, to which wood
insulation had been applied. This would have been done before the
practice developed of wrapping insulating material around the tank
and then covering it with a thin sheet metal shell.

Richard Hendrickson

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B & O M26 order form

Robert kirkham
 

In the same vein, I may not be seeing it, but is there a way to complete the order form on-line, or does one have to send it in as a hard copy? I'm delighted to be able to pick up a couple of cars in this scheme.

Rob Kirkham
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From: "Larry Sexton" <SSEXTON9@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 11:53 AM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Soo automobile car & others to identify

Gene,



On the "Advance Order Form" the price was given as $36.95.



Larry Sexton



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 1:04 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Soo automobile car & others to identify





Bob or anyone else,

I couldn't find a price on the B&O site. Probably it is very obvious but I
couldn't find it. Has price been announced yet?

A couple of those M-26 box cars would fit in my layout nicely. B&O 267268 &
270197 were on the M&StL 28 March 1948 and 9 February 1948 respectively
carrying feed and flour respectively.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "rwitt_2000"
<rwitt_2000@...> wrote:

Rob,

The car is one of the many B&O ARA boxcar assigned to class M-26. These
have been available in resin from Sunshine and in styrene from Red
Caboose. Since you model the year 1946 you are in luck because the B&O
Historical Society will be offering a M-26B painted in B&O boxcar brown
lettered with the early Kuhler capitol dome emblem.

http://borhs.org/

Scroll down the home page and look for the "advance order form"

Regards,

Bob Witt







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Re: Wine Tank Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jack Mullen wrote:
I don't think that Richard meant that the structural issues relate to wine vs. vinegar. Rather, there are some differences between this car and typical wood vinegar tank cars, that would be issues if the tank is actually of wood construction.

I agree with Richard that this looks like a steel center-anchorage tank car with a wood jacket. Neat looking car anyhow, and I wish we had a better photo.
I see what you mean. Thanks for the clarification, Jack.

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Closing Digital Calipers

Ed <nprybiged@...>
 

I agree with the List Moderator the Digital Caliper subject

has been covered and it's time to go back to Freight Cars.


I do want to thank everyone that gave input, I read every

one of them.


In closing, as we all know new products come to be through

a want for them. I have ask Micro Mark to look at converting

their 14" Stainless Steel Didital Caliber into having a

multiple scale read out.


So please let them know your wants at info@...


Thanks to all

Ed Ursem


CGW 50' box cars was: Re: Soo automobile car & others to identify

Clark Propst
 

Dennis,
The CGW 50' centered DDs were built by Pullman with their proprietary ends. Several of these cars were equipped with DF equipment and paint Maroon with large DF in yellow/gold.

I've made models of these cars using Stan Rydarowicz's 5/5 ends and a P2K single door 50' box car... I think?
Clark Propst

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