Date   

Decal Printing

O Fenton Wells
 

Can anyone help me getting artwork printed into decals? I have some art work that I want to have decals made from. The fellow who gave me the art work used to print on an ALPS printer but he can't use it anymore. I have used Ron at Rail Graphics, he does great work and will go back to him but was wondering if I could find an ALPS printer. Are they easily available to print a sheet or two for me? I have never heard of such a printer so I don't know where to start. Any help is appreciated.
Fenton Wells


Re: Union RR gondola from F&C (UNCLASSIFIED)

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

Elden, Wasn't Aliquippa Southern J&L's railroad.

CJ

--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
, Aliquippa Southern, and McKeesport

Connecting RR, all USS-owned at time of purchase. They were seen all over

the place, often carrying loads of structural steel or particularly for the

McK Con, loads of tube.


Re: Kitbashing

Tim O'Connor
 

If I recall correctly, Frank's model was a Rock Island flat with
a big splice plate in the center.

Tim O'Connor

I agree, unless it's a 'must have' car there are enough good models to build and I already have too many too. I did just make a 50' flat car out of 2 Red Caboose 42' cars. The side frame angles aren't right, but what you gonna do? Frank Hodina won't re-make the lost masters, he did the same kitbash.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


HPAX

JP Barger
 

Our fellow member, J. R. Hunter, asked on 21 Apr 11, 8:58PM, what colors
were used on HPAX reefers. The quick answer is 'I'm not sure'. But there are
some data out there, furnishing some clues.On the MEGOW 'Refrigerator Car'
instruction sheet included with reefer kit numbers Q1-Q20, it states in the
text at the bottom of the sheet (start six lines from the bottom of the
second column) that, in contrast to the other 19 cars in the model series,
the Hunter Packing car (Q4) had the entire roof and ends painted with an
aluminum paint. Moreover, all of the fittings thereupon were also painted
aluminum. Mouldings on the Hunter car were painted black. I assume that
mouldings in this case means fascia strips or boards on the sides and ends.
(On this series of models, the fascia 'boards' were cardstock)

The Q4 MEGOW model was given the car number 1011 which is contained in the
HPAX/Mather number series 900-1049 in the October 1938 ORER , page 888, an
issue I have. Car outside length is given as 37'-3". However, the MEGOW kit
is set as a 40-42' car. One could perhaps shorten the kit parts to make it a
37'-3" model. The lettering spacing on the sides is the key.

There are two Bob's Photos 8x10 B/W prints in my photo collection of Hunter
H.P.A.X. cars, numbers 1056 & 1065. These photos clearly depict two rebuilt
Mather stock cars with the steel framing members showing below the wooden
refrigerator siding. I believe the length of the cars in the photos to be
37'-3", matching the length given in the '38 ORER, for the same car numbers.
However, as indicated above, the '38 ORER does not include 1056 and 1065
under the cars leased to Hunter at that date. These cars could be the
37'-3" ones shown with PPCX reporting marks, Mather series 1050-1065, leased
at Oct '38 to Peyton Packing Co. and by the 1942 photo date, possibly leased
to Hunter.

In Richard Hendrickson's comments on the posed Hunter question, he
mentioned, in addition to the 37'-3" cars, cars of 42' length also leased by
Mather to Hunter. In the Oct 1938 ORER, I don't find 42' cars under HPAX
reporting marks, but leases come to temporal ends, releasing cars to be
re-leased. In the '38 ORER, there are 9 other Mather car number series of
42'( 41'-3", 41'-8" and 41'-9")cars leased as of that date to 7 lessees
other than Hunter. One or more of these series could have been leased to
Hunter before or after the Fall of 1938. A complete set of ORER's might help
determine which series corresponds. Or Richard may already know.

The 1942 photos of 1056 & 1065 don't show black fascias, but rather a
lighter color which might match the orange car side or the aluminum roof.
Remember also that 1011, the MEGOW Q4 kit car number, comes from the '38
ORER number series, but 1056 & 1065 are from a different leased group in
1942, which could have been repainted with simplified colors when re-leased
to Hunter.

The person who gathered and organized color data for the MEGOW Q1-20 reefer
series could possibly have made a mistake or mistakes in assessing color or
recording it. But this best clue I have for the 1939 colors of the
Hunter/Mather cars suggests aluminum roofs and ends. Perhaps someone else on
this list has supporting or conflicting data. I'd also like to know before
building some Hunter models.

And, Richard, what can you tell us about the 42' Hunter cars?

I'm also checking with Bill McClung on whether Red Caboose actually made a
Hunter version of its Mather reefer. He's looking in his records.


Best to all,
JP


Re: Union RR gondola from F&C (UNCLASSIFIED)

naptownprr
 

Guys,

Steve Funaro made a small run of flat kits and then made a presentation about the URR gons at the RPM East meet in Greensburg in March. He is planning to produce a one-piece body kit which will become available in the near future.

Jim

Quoting "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...>:

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Bill;

I was not aware it was officially "out", but to add to what Rich said, these
were United States Steel-purchased, and held by several roads including Union
RR, Bessemer & Lake Erie, Lake Terminal, Aliquippa Southern, and McKeesport
Connecting RR, all USS-owned at time of purchase. They were seen all over
the place, often carrying loads of structural steel or particularly for the
McK Con, loads of tube.

The cars were researched by a group of folks you likely know.

I have not seen the decals, but the artwork was really good.

This is a car for which everyone who would have received the above could have
likely hosted at some time or another.

They were seen past the time of this list.

Be aware that USS shifted these cars around a lot, which bears a look into
the ORER to see what roads were running them in your time frame.

Photos can be found on numerous websites, including Fallen Flags.

I expect F&C will issue them for all roads that owned them.

Elden Gatwood


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
lnbill
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:43 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Union RR gondola from F&C



I have not noticed any comments about the new model on the F&C website. It is
a Union RR gondola. It looks to be a nominal 50-foot car.

Was the URR one of the steel company owned RR's?

Bill Welch





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE



Re: Union RR gondola from F&C

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Bill,
 
Chuck is right about Boston having a Union RR that ran at night.
It was part of the New Haven, and worked city streets making
set out & pick ups. Ergo, at night.
The car in question is the Union RR in the Pittsburgh area that
served the steel mill at Edgar Thompson Works.
The Union in Boston MA had no cars, just power and caboose
on the roster.  Hope that clears it up for you.
 
Fred Freitas

From: "RUTLANDRS@..." <RUTLANDRS@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Union RR gondola from F&C


 
Bill,
If I recall correctly, the Union Railroad was "The Railroad That Ran
At Night" in Boston.
Chuck Hladik


In a message dated 4/26/2011 10:43:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
fgexbill@... writes:

I have not noticed any comments about the new model on the F&C website. It
is a Union RR gondola. It looks to be a nominal 50-foot car.

Was the URR one of the steel company owned RR's?

Bill Welch

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Union RR gondola from F&C

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I note it's a flat kit but that a one-piece body version is coming "soon" for those who prefer it that way.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Union RR gondola from F&C (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Bill;

I was not aware it was officially "out", but to add to what Rich said, these
were United States Steel-purchased, and held by several roads including Union
RR, Bessemer & Lake Erie, Lake Terminal, Aliquippa Southern, and McKeesport
Connecting RR, all USS-owned at time of purchase. They were seen all over
the place, often carrying loads of structural steel or particularly for the
McK Con, loads of tube.

The cars were researched by a group of folks you likely know.

I have not seen the decals, but the artwork was really good.

This is a car for which everyone who would have received the above could have
likely hosted at some time or another.

They were seen past the time of this list.

Be aware that USS shifted these cars around a lot, which bears a look into
the ORER to see what roads were running them in your time frame.

Photos can be found on numerous websites, including Fallen Flags.

I expect F&C will issue them for all roads that owned them.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
lnbill
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:43 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Union RR gondola from F&C



I have not noticed any comments about the new model on the F&C website. It is
a Union RR gondola. It looks to be a nominal 50-foot car.

Was the URR one of the steel company owned RR's?

Bill Welch





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: Union RR gondola from F&C

Richard Orr <SUVCWORR@...>
 

Union Railroad was owned by US Steel and served the Edgar Thompson (Rankin
and Braddock) works, Duquesne Works (Duquesne PA) and Homestead works
(Homestead, PA). All located up river from Pittsburgh on the Monongahela
River. URR interchanged with the B&LE at North Bessemer. The P&LE in
Duquesne and Homestead, the PRR in Braddock, Wilmerding, Duquesne and
Homestead and the B&O in Braddock. It also interchanged with the McKeesport
Connecting RR another US Steel line which served the National Tube works
and Christy Works in McKeesport, PA.

URR still exists but is no longer owned by US Steel. It still serves the
Edgar Thompson works of US Steel and interchanges with CN (B&LE), NS and
CSX.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
lnbill
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:43 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Union RR gondola from F&C

I have not noticed any comments about the new model on the F&C website. It
is a Union RR gondola. It looks to be a nominal 50-foot car.

Was the URR one of the steel company owned RR's?

Bill Welch



------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: Union RR gondola from F&C

Charles Hladik
 

Bill,
If I recall correctly, the Union Railroad was "The Railroad That Ran
At Night" in Boston.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 4/26/2011 10:43:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
fgexbill@... writes:




I have not noticed any comments about the new model on the F&C website. It
is a Union RR gondola. It looks to be a nominal 50-foot car.

Was the URR one of the steel company owned RR's?

Bill Welch






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Union RR gondola from F&C

Bill Welch
 

I have not noticed any comments about the new model on the F&C website. It is a Union RR gondola. It looks to be a nominal 50-foot car.

Was the URR one of the steel company owned RR's?

Bill Welch


Re: L&A truss rod box cars

Eric Hansmann
 

That's a pretty neat image Tim.

It seems many of the cars may have a similar stencil that is seen pretty clearly on the first full car, "Do Not Load Off L&A". I wonder if these were LCL only or recently retired cars pressed into emergency service.

Also interesting is the round emblem on the left side of that first full car. Part of it can also be seen at the far left of the image. The emblem is on several of the cars, just not as apparent as it is on those first couple.


Eric



Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Come to the Central Ohio Proto Meet in May!
http://www.hansmanns.org/meet/index.htm


L&A truss rod box cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Re: B & O M26 order form

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Bob!

--------------------------------------------------
From: "rwitt_2000" <rwitt_2000@...>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 7:47 PM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: B & O M26 order form




Rob Kirkham wrote:

In the same vein, I may not be seeing it, but is there a way to complete the
order form on-line, or does one have to send it in as a hard copy? I'm
delighted to be able to pick up a couple of cars in this scheme.
=================

Rob,

My understanding is the Store Manager does not place an item for on-line ordering until it is in stock. The "hard copy" ordering method serves as a reservation and those requests will be processed first. It is a method to assure that you will get your models. I don't recall the total number of models ordered, but as with most historical societies special models it is a limited run.

If you want more information please contact the B&ORR HS store manager directly at: storemanager at borhs.org. The link is also available through the "Contacts" at the top of the borhs.org home page.


Regards,

Bob Witt
Director-at-Large
B&ORR Historical Society






------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links




Re: Pullman drawings @ IRM; was Soo 176356

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Dennis - very helpful!

Rob

--------------------------------------------------
From: "soolinehistory" <destorzek@...>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 8:21 PM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pullman drawings @ IRM; was Soo 176356





--- In STMFC@..., "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Hmmm, I'm not familiar with Pullman's freight car drawings. For modelling
purposes, what would be the most useful drawings to order of a car like
this? With CPR drawings a general arrangement mechanical drawing usually
includes sufficient information. Would it be the same with Pullman's
drawings or is another approach required?

Rob Kirkham
Rob,

I am more familiar with the Haskell & Barker drawings we are presently sorting in preparation for cataloging, but have had some P-S drawings copied. Typically there are three large scale (1" = 1'-0")sheets, titled:

General Arrangement
Underframe - Brake Arrangement
Stenciling

And sometimes a fourth detailing the steel members of composite cars.

There are also a myriad of smaller drawings of component parts, but not easy to find because there is no master list of drawings.

Pullman's General Arrangement drawings look exactly like the drawings published in the older CBC's; an end elevation, cross section, partial side elevation / partial section, and a plan view split four ways, showing the roof and sections at three levels down through the car. As I recall, no brake equipment is shown on the General Arrangement drawings.

The Underframe - Brake Arrangement show the brakes as built, so if the car was built with K brakes, that won't be very useful for a later era model, but often the steel details help make sense of what's missing in the Gen. Arrangement drawing.

The Stenciling drawing shows lettering placement, but not the actual lettering shapes. They look close, but keep in mind there were other drawings that actually defined the letters, medallions, etc, so the purpose of the large stenciling drawing was simply placement. The elevations the lettering is placed upon are very simplified drawings.

The Steel Details are the least useful for HO scale modeling, detailing the cross sections of pressings, and dimensioning all the hole punching.

All these are on E or F size sheets, 48" or 60" long. Since the Library scans the originals for reproduction, it is possible to order them at 1/2 size, and they are still very readable. I would recommend this size, as few of us have a full size drafting table available next to our workbench to spread the drawings out.

You will need to contact the library about price, since there is a certain amount of work involved to identify the drawing numbers that pertain to a given lot, retrieve the storage tube, and roll out the drawings to see what actually exists. Once drawings are scanned, they can be printed from the digital file much more cost effectively, which is one reason that my goal in to obtain copies of both the Haskell & Barker and P-S drawings of Soo Line equipment for the Soo Society; that will ensure that copies are easily available from IRM, but this has not happened yet, and may still be a year or two down the pike. At any rate, you still need to contact IRM and sign a terms of use agreement with Bombardier, which actually still owns the drawing collection.

Contact information is Ted Anderson:

By Email:
pullmanlibrary@...

By Letter:
Illinois Railway Museum
Pullman Library
Post Office Box 427
Union, IL 60180

By Phone:
Wednesdays 10:00am to 4:00pm at 815-923-2020

There is more information on the Pullman Library's web page:

http://www.irm.org/pullmanlibrary/faqs.html

Dennis






------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links




Re: Kitbashing

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 25, 2011, at 8:03 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

... But then I discovered, when I went to convert it from Code
110 to Code 88 wheels, that the wheels on the model are too small.
The prototype cars, being in passenger service, had 36" wheels, but
the wheels on the model weren't even 33". Replacement 36" Code 88
wheels wouldn't fit until I took the trucks apart and re-machined the
journal bearings. Then when I got the trucks back together I put the
car on the track to check coupler height (something I always do
before a project like this is very far along). Way too high off the
track, and no easy way to fix it. I had to cut down and re-bush the
truck mountings on the bolsters to get the car to ride at the correct
height - and then the screws that hold the side frames to the truck
bolsters interfered with the body bolsters and the wheels dragged on
the crossties. It took a good deal of filing (and, of course,
repainting) before those problems were corrected. ...

Richard,

That is the reason some just move to Proto:87. When we attach
essentially non-scale trucks and couplers to nearly scale size car
bodies we run into clearance problems you describe. :-).

Bob Witt
But Bob, I don't have similar problems with the RTR products of most
other manufacturers. I convert all my rolling stock to Code 88
wheels and Kadee scale couplers, and usually the most I have to do to
get coupler height correct is add one or two Kadee truck washers.
I'll hazard a guess: on the Walthers express reefers, the Chinese
ran into problems with coupler height and instead of fixing what was
wrong, they just put smaller wheels on it - smaller, even, than scale
33" wheels. The trouble started when I put the right diameter wheels
on the car.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Kitbashing

Clark Propst
 

I agree, unless it's a 'must have' car there are enough good models to build and I already have too many too. I did just make a 50' flat car out of 2 Red Caboose 42' cars. The side frame angles aren't right, but what you gonna do? Frank Hodina won't re-make the lost masters, he did the same kitbash.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
"But I have a couple of cabinets full of styrene
and resin kits to build that are dead-on accurate, or close to it,
and when (if) I get them all built, I'll have way more freight cars
than my diorama will hold. So I'm not doing any more extensive
kitbshing unless the prototype is a car I absolutely can't live
without. And right now, I can't think of a single example."


Re: Pullman drawings @ IRM; was Soo 176356

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Hmmm, I'm not familiar with Pullman's freight car drawings. For modelling
purposes, what would be the most useful drawings to order of a car like
this? With CPR drawings a general arrangement mechanical drawing usually
includes sufficient information. Would it be the same with Pullman's
drawings or is another approach required?

Rob Kirkham
Rob,

I am more familiar with the Haskell & Barker drawings we are presently sorting in preparation for cataloging, but have had some P-S drawings copied. Typically there are three large scale (1" = 1'-0")sheets, titled:

General Arrangement
Underframe - Brake Arrangement
Stenciling

And sometimes a fourth detailing the steel members of composite cars.

There are also a myriad of smaller drawings of component parts, but not easy to find because there is no master list of drawings.

Pullman's General Arrangement drawings look exactly like the drawings published in the older CBC's; an end elevation, cross section, partial side elevation / partial section, and a plan view split four ways, showing the roof and sections at three levels down through the car. As I recall, no brake equipment is shown on the General Arrangement drawings.

The Underframe - Brake Arrangement show the brakes as built, so if the car was built with K brakes, that won't be very useful for a later era model, but often the steel details help make sense of what's missing in the Gen. Arrangement drawing.

The Stenciling drawing shows lettering placement, but not the actual lettering shapes. They look close, but keep in mind there were other drawings that actually defined the letters, medallions, etc, so the purpose of the large stenciling drawing was simply placement. The elevations the lettering is placed upon are very simplified drawings.

The Steel Details are the least useful for HO scale modeling, detailing the cross sections of pressings, and dimensioning all the hole punching.

All these are on E or F size sheets, 48" or 60" long. Since the Library scans the originals for reproduction, it is possible to order them at 1/2 size, and they are still very readable. I would recommend this size, as few of us have a full size drafting table available next to our workbench to spread the drawings out.

You will need to contact the library about price, since there is a certain amount of work involved to identify the drawing numbers that pertain to a given lot, retrieve the storage tube, and roll out the drawings to see what actually exists. Once drawings are scanned, they can be printed from the digital file much more cost effectively, which is one reason that my goal in to obtain copies of both the Haskell & Barker and P-S drawings of Soo Line equipment for the Soo Society; that will ensure that copies are easily available from IRM, but this has not happened yet, and may still be a year or two down the pike. At any rate, you still need to contact IRM and sign a terms of use agreement with Bombardier, which actually still owns the drawing collection.

Contact information is Ted Anderson:

By Email:
pullmanlibrary@...

By Letter:
Illinois Railway Museum
Pullman Library
Post Office Box 427
Union, IL 60180

By Phone:
Wednesdays 10:00am to 4:00pm at 815-923-2020

There is more information on the Pullman Library's web page:

http://www.irm.org/pullmanlibrary/faqs.html

Dennis


Re: Kitbashing

rwitt_2000
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

... But then I discovered, when I went to convert it from Code
110 to Code 88 wheels, that the wheels on the model are too small.
The prototype cars, being in passenger service, had 36" wheels, but
the wheels on the model weren't even 33". Replacement 36" Code 88
wheels wouldn't fit until I took the trucks apart and re-machined the
journal bearings. Then when I got the trucks back together I put the
car on the track to check coupler height (something I always do
before a project like this is very far along). Way too high off the
track, and no easy way to fix it. I had to cut down and re-bush the
truck mountings on the bolsters to get the car to ride at the correct
height - and then the screws that hold the side frames to the truck
bolsters interfered with the body bolsters and the wheels dragged on
the crossties. It took a good deal of filing (and, of course,
repainting) before those problems were corrected. ...

Richard,

That is the reason some just move to Proto:87. When we attach
essentially non-scale trucks and couplers to nearly scale size car
bodies we run into clearance problems you describe. :-).

Bob Witt


Re: B & O M26 order form

rwitt_2000
 

Rob Kirkham wrote:

In the same vein, I may not be seeing it, but is there a way to complete the
order form on-line, or does one have to send it in as a hard copy? I'm
delighted to be able to pick up a couple of cars in this scheme.
=================

Rob,

My understanding is the Store Manager does not place an item for on-line ordering until it is in stock. The "hard copy" ordering method serves as a reservation and those requests will be processed first. It is a method to assure that you will get your models. I don't recall the total number of models ordered, but as with most historical societies special models it is a limited run.

If you want more information please contact the B&ORR HS store manager directly at: storemanager at borhs.org. The link is also available through the "Contacts" at the top of the borhs.org home page.


Regards,

Bob Witt
Director-at-Large
B&ORR Historical Society

96261 - 96280 of 195633