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Re: Union RR gondola from F&C

Michael Aufderheide
 

Thanks!

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From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:51:39
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Union RR gondola from F&C

I wrote:
Mike, do you know about the Hendrickson article on kitbashing these
cars?
Here's the citation: Sept-Oct issue, Prototype Modeler, 1982.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Union RR gondola from F&C (UNCLASSIFIED)

Michael Aufderheide
 

Tony,

Thank you, forgot to /2. And yes I would like the citation.

Regards,
Mike Aufderheide

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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:44:27
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Union RR gondola from F&C (UNCLASSIFIED)

Mike Aufderheide wrote:
Speaking of EJE, are there any of their gons that can be modeled
accurately? There are several that traveled in Monon trains in 1948:

These are all 48'-6" long, 3'-0"deep, 1,343 cu ft, 100ton, steel,
drop end.
No, they are 50-ton cars. Mike, do you know about the Hendrickson
article on kitbashing these cars? If not I'll send the citation.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Union RR gondola from F&C

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I wrote:
Mike, do you know about the Hendrickson article on kitbashing these cars?
Here's the citation: Sept-Oct issue, Prototype Modeler, 1982.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Union RR gondola from F&C (UNCLASSIFIED)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mike Aufderheide wrote:
Speaking of EJE, are there any of their gons that can be modeled accurately? There are several that traveled in Monon trains in 1948:

These are all 48'-6" long, 3'-0"deep, 1,343 cu ft, 100ton, steel, drop end.
No, they are 50-ton cars. Mike, do you know about the Hendrickson article on kitbashing these cars? If not I'll send the citation.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Union RR gondola from F&C (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Mike;

EJ&E gons are a big missing link. Perhaps we should bombard the resin guys
with requests.

You could also bash one following Richard's great bash article...

Elden Gatwood

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Aufderheide
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Union RR gondola from F&C (UNCLASSIFIED)



Eldon,

Speaking of EJE, are there any of their gons that can be modeled accurately?
There are several that traveled in Monon trains in 1948:

#33036 nb Coal for Wabash at Lafayette Jct. IN #33590 sb Co. Coal for engine
terminal Bloomington IN
#33102 nb Stone for Lone Star Cement, Limedale IN
#32701 nb Company Rail for Medaryville IN (MOW?)
#33241 nb Stone for NYC at Otis IN

These are all 48'-6" long, 3'-0"deep, 1,343 cu ft, 100ton, steel, drop end.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

From: "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...
<mailto:elden.j.gatwood%40usace.army.mil> >
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Union RR gondola from F&C (UNCLASSIFIED)


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Caveats: NONE

CJ;

I do not know how A&S acquired these gons, and I also cannot find any photos
of them, but I did see a gon that looked exactly like these cars on the A&S a
long time ago, and then more recently, and indeed, my 1963 ORER has 20 cars
in series 340 to 359, and lists the very same dimensions - 50'6" IL, 70-ton,
3' IH, 1439 cu ft.

It is also very hard to get data on the dynamics of how all these RRs shared,
leased and/or sold cars to one another. Assembling data from numerous ORERs
might be one way, but I have also been mining data provided by others that
own original RR records, to get an idea on what cars the A&S, B&LE (where
they lasted a very long time), EJ&E (who had none that I can find), Lake
Terminal (who had 200 cars in the early 50's, and they DID travel),
McKeesport Connecting (100 cars that also traveled far and wide), and Union
RR (1000 cars, dropping to 609 by 1952, with some going to other roads),
swapped, leased and sold their cars.

It took a lot of persuasion to get this car done, but it was really needed.
BTW, the one-piece body kit is coming, with interior detail.

Elden Gatwood

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cj riley
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:12 PM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Union RR gondola from F&C (UNCLASSIFIED)

Elden, Wasn't Aliquippa Southern J&L's railroad.

CJ

--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@...
<mailto:elden.j.gatwood%40usace.army.mil>
<mailto:elden.j.gatwood%40usace.army.mil> > wrote:
, Aliquippa Southern, and McKeesport

Connecting RR, all USS-owned at time of purchase. They were seen all over

the place, often carrying loads of structural steel or particularly for the

McK Con, loads of tube.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Caveats: NONE

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Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: Digital Calipers

Tim O'Connor
 

So.... for $200 I save the trouble of going to the local Radio Shack
every other year to buy a $6 battery??? I know folks pay a premium for
alleged convenience (e.g. fast food, bottled water) but that's getting
kinda ridiculous.

An 8" caliper would be nice, though. Mine (Harbor Freight) is only 6".

Tim

I always get a kick out of people complaining that the battery is always dead in their cheap Chicom calipers; with equipment like this, you truly do get what you pay for.

Enco has the Mititoyo 8" solar version for a shade under two hundred:

http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=610-0047&PMPXNO=952913&PARTPG=INLMK3

These occasionally go on sale, although it's more common to see the run of the mill 6" Mit on sale.

Dennis


Re: The Keystone Modeler, Spring 2011

Charlie Vlk
 

Martin-
Thanks for the link. It worked like a charm!
Charlie Vlk

I had similar difficulties and eventualy got to TKM #76 via this link:

http://www.nscalelimited.com/2011/04/27/keystone-modeler-issue-76/

Click on the link in the text.
Best regards,
Martin


Antiques

Clark Propst
 

I have some old steel box car sides and roofs, cardboard reefer sides and a complete wooden flat car kit.

If anyone would like a list and a price, please contact me off list at:

cepropst@q.com


Re: The Keystone Modeler, Spring 2011

martin skrzetuszewski <martinskrz@...>
 

I had similar difficulties and eventualy got to TKM #76 via this link:

http://www.nscalelimited.com/2011/04/27/keystone-modeler-issue-76/

Click on the link in the text.
Best regards,
Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: cvlk
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] The Keystone Modeler, Spring 2011



Is there something going on with the PRRHTS website? Internet Explorer shuts down as soon as the red background of the home page starts to appear....there was some message about it wanting to use a forbidden area of memory on my computer... I think this is a MicroSoft issue and not related to my AVG anti-virus protection...
Trying to view the new Keystone Modeler. Have had no problem viewing other sites on the internet today.
Charlie Vlk


Re: Union RR gondola from F&C (UNCLASSIFIED)

Michael Aufderheide
 

Eldon,
 
Speaking of EJE, are there any of their gons that can be modeled accurately?  There are several that traveled in Monon trains in 1948:
 
#33036 nb Coal for Wabash at Lafayette Jct. IN
#33590 sb Co. Coal for engine terminal Bloomington IN
#33102 nb Stone for Lone Star Cement, Limedale IN
#32701 nb Company Rail for Medaryville IN (MOW?)
#33241 nb Stone for NYC at Otis IN
 
These are all 48'-6" long, 3'-0"deep, 1,343 cu ft, 100ton, steel, drop end.
 
Regards,
 
Mike Aufderheide

From: "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Union RR gondola from F&C (UNCLASSIFIED)


 
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

CJ;

I do not know how A&S acquired these gons, and I also cannot find any photos
of them, but I did see a gon that looked exactly like these cars on the A&S a
long time ago, and then more recently, and indeed, my 1963 ORER has 20 cars
in series 340 to 359, and lists the very same dimensions - 50'6" IL, 70-ton,
3' IH, 1439 cu ft.

It is also very hard to get data on the dynamics of how all these RRs shared,
leased and/or sold cars to one another. Assembling data from numerous ORERs
might be one way, but I have also been mining data provided by others that
own original RR records, to get an idea on what cars the A&S, B&LE (where
they lasted a very long time), EJ&E (who had none that I can find), Lake
Terminal (who had 200 cars in the early 50's, and they DID travel),
McKeesport Connecting (100 cars that also traveled far and wide), and Union
RR (1000 cars, dropping to 609 by 1952, with some going to other roads),
swapped, leased and sold their cars.

It took a lot of persuasion to get this car done, but it was really needed.
BTW, the one-piece body kit is coming, with interior detail.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of cj
riley
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Union RR gondola from F&C (UNCLASSIFIED)

Elden, Wasn't Aliquippa Southern J&L's railroad.

CJ

--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@...
<mailto:elden.j.gatwood%40usace.army.mil> > wrote:
, Aliquippa Southern, and McKeesport

Connecting RR, all USS-owned at time of purchase. They were seen all over

the place, often carrying loads of structural steel or particularly for the

McK Con, loads of tube.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: The Keystone Modeler, Spring 2011

Charlie Vlk
 

Is there something going on with the PRRHTS website? Internet Explorer shuts down as soon as the red background of the home page starts to appear....there was some message about it wanting to use a forbidden area of memory on my computer... I think this is a MicroSoft issue and not related to my AVG anti-virus protection...
Trying to view the new Keystone Modeler. Have had no problem viewing other sites on the internet today.
Charlie Vlk


Re: Digital Calipers

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Jon Miller <atsf@...> wrote:

On 4/28/2011 8:26 AM, JP Barger wrote:
I still haven't found my second solar-powered digital caliper.
Can any of you tool demons help

JP, the internet is your friend (grin). A quick Google found this;
I always get a kick out of people complaining that the battery is always dead in their cheap Chicom calipers; with equipment like this, you truly do get what you pay for.

Enco has the Mititoyo 8" solar version for a shade under two hundred:

http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=610-0047&PMPXNO=952913&PARTPG=INLMK3

These occasionally go on sale, although it's more common to see the run of the mill 6" Mit on sale.

Dennis


Re: Digital Calipers

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

JP...

A question on your calipers. Reading an online review of them, it appears
that, while the calipers work even in relatively low light, the solar
doesn't charge an internal battery connected to the solar "panel" and
therefore the calipers solar panel must be pointed toward a light source
when using it. Is this ever a problem in modeling?


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


HPAX

JP Barger
 

Hello,

On checking with Bill McClung of Red Caboose, he consulted his calalog, and
maintains that Red Caboose never decorated its 37'-3" Mather reefer for
Hunter Packing. You will perhaps want to find Undecs, or strip an unwanted
road's information off of a decorated one to get a Hunter. But there are no
decals at present specially devoted to Hunter. That wouldn't stop a true
believer from piecing together the Hunter name and initials from L/N sheets.
By the Way, Clover House doesn't have a HUNTER transfer, either. Perhaps the
new owner of Clover House can be persuaded.

On the subject of aluminum roofs and ends, I had a chance yesterday to
reacquaint myself with my Sunshine #15 series 42' Mather reefer kits,
finding that Martin had done a very competent job in describing the use of
aluminum paint on the Mather car ends and roofs (see page 4 of Martin's
instructions for these kits-Painting.) Not only did he describe this
painting in a sensible and credible way, but also on page 6, shows us a
picture of a MORX reefer with assured aluminum ends; also on page 7, a RATH
with aluminum ends. When you put this together with the page 71 RATH picture
in Gene Green's book, with repair date of 1954, you can see that, although
Mather car painters were somewhat capricious in their choice of colors, the
use of standard at-hand colors, including aluminum, went into the fifties.
Maybe I haven't yet caught on to the secret code that these colors represent
through that period.

Thinking back to 1939, When Fred Megow first entered the HO car kit
business, I was wondering how he collected the artwork for his 20
refrigerator car models. It could have been a random collection of collected
pictures, but unless
Megow knew somebody with the pictures, or collected refrigerator car images
himself, it doesn't seem plausible to me. I tend to think Megow sent someone
to shoot reefer pix (in B/W, of course), and then selected 20 of them as
prototypes for his models. Maybe the photographer simply went to the team
tracks at the local produce terminal.

Seventeen of Megow's models had the same orange (orange a little toward
yellow) sides; two had white, one a grayish white. Megow's method for
producing these colors on the models was to use colored cardstock, which is
why we modellers see the same three base colors on all Megow reefer models.
In other words, with this system, differing shades of color weren't
possible. The same method had earlier been used by Tom Lockhart on his
reefer models.

Happy Huntering!

JP


Re: P&LE and PMcK&Y Boxcars 1910 to 1975

Larry Kline
 

I added a pdf file with the additions and corrections to the files section. The file name is: "P&LE & PMcK&Y Boxcars 1910-1945 - Additions and Corrections."

Dave Sieber wrote:
I see on the PLERRHS web site that the latest edition of TLG has "P&LE Boxcars, Additions and Corrections" to the Boxcar issue. Any chance of posting those addenda on the STMFC and other lists, or as appropriate to maintain Society copyright, as an "additional info" link from the PLERRHS website? That would be grestly appreciated by those of us who model other regions, but purchase your super boxcar issue to more accurately model P&LE boxcars in our foreign RR interchange fleets.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA
VP and Editor P&LERRHS


New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.

File : /P&LE & PMcK&Y Boxcars 1910-1945 - Additions and Corrections.pdf
Uploaded by : bowestym <lndkline@...>
Description : The corrections include a corrected roster. Three additional photos are included

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/P%26LE%20%26%20PMcK%26Y%20Boxcars%201910-1945%20-%20Additions%20and%20Corrections.pdf

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html
Regards,

bowestym <lndkline@...>


Re: Digital Calipers

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

On 4/28/2011 8:26 AM, JP Barger wrote:
I still haven't found my second solar-powered digital caliper.
Can any of you tool demons help

JP, the internet is your friend (grin). A quick Google found this;

Mitutoyo 500-464 solar caliper 6 @ $245 [problem is it's 6"]
Mitutoyo 500-785 xxxxxxx 8 @ $230 [I assume this is 8" but text doesn't say]

and if those are to pricy try this;

Solar-Power Digital Caliper 6" Carbon Fiber SAE/Metric @ $14.95

Actually bringing up that last one showed a lot of other Mitutoyo
calipers;
500-774, 500-787, 500-777 These all appear to be available.


--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Digital Calipers

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Google is your friend...a quick search for solar powered caliper turned up:

http://www.longislandindicator.com/p127.html

...while searching for Mitutoyo 500-492 led to Mitutoyo's own site:

http://www.auto-met.com/mitutoyo/caliper/mitutoyo_caliper_O-05-06.pdf

Even Sears has them available (for a dollar cheaper than Amazon). But $280
is stiff for even a tool freak like me. I'll have to think about it...


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

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<Caliper and would-be caliper users,
<
<A half dozen years ago, when we were nearer to starting the use of
<digital
<calipers after using dial versions for several years, I was enamored
<enough
<to buy a couple of them. They were overproduced for a couple of years,
<at
<least, and consequently in that period, it was a buyers' market.
<Digitals
<could be purchased in 4, 6 and 8 inch versions under $30. All were
<originally battery-powered.
<
<It wasn't long until I was greatly annoyed when it seemed that the
<battery
<was always dead when I wanted to use it. Keeping good batteries on hand
<isn't easy either because new ones lose power just as ones in use,
<except
<maybe slower. Like a lot of you, I have lots of other things to do,
<travels
<to make, etc., and consequently, can't be at my workbench consistently.
<So,
<it seemed like often, when I got back to my modelling affairs, I found
<myself confronted with a battery problem.
<
<One day, I came across a solar powered digital caliper!! For sale!! All
<in
<one unit, no wires, no separate power unit, all nicely integrated, no
<different in appearance or application. So, I grabbed it. I probably
<said
<'Whoopee' at that moment.
<
<Since that day, my mood has been lighter. (Or, it could be old age
<getting
<closer!) The caliper has worked perfectly ever since it and I entered
<into
<matrimony. The solar cell works just as well in the winter as when the
<sun
<is high. It even works in a room with only an incandescent bulb for
<light,
<or fluorescent.
<
<The caliper I have is a Mitutoyo CD-S8"-CP, serial no. 0000422, Code
<number
<500-492, 8" length.
<
<Soon after I began to use the self-powered caliper, I enjoyed it so much
<that I wanted another to use at work. Do you think I could find one? It
<looked to me like Mitutoyo stopped making them. That may not be the
<truth,
<but something got in the way. We who use spare time to model could use a
<lot
<of these 'Magic Bunny plus' calipers. Time--the thing most of have so
<little
<of--would be saved, not just in changing batteries, but in chasing after
<them. Spirits would lighten; discourse on this list might even shift
<more
<towards the humorous side; darkness would disappear to be replaced by
<sunny
<comments. Textbooks on personality will describe that watershed moment
<in
<2011 when modellers, at least, drastically changed from outright
<moodiness
<to behavioral role models.
<
<I, myself, may be somewhat delayed in joining the new sunnier modelling
<group because I still haven't found my second solar-powered digital
<caliper.
<Can any of you tool demons help? What happened to Mitutoyo? Where am I
<not
<looking to find my new little machine, which will put me in CALIPER
<BIGAMY?
<
<The would-be sunnier modeller,
<
<JP
<
<
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<Yahoo! Groups Links
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<


Digital Calipers

JP Barger
 

Caliper and would-be caliper users,

A half dozen years ago, when we were nearer to starting the use of digital
calipers after using dial versions for several years, I was enamored enough
to buy a couple of them. They were overproduced for a couple of years, at
least, and consequently in that period, it was a buyers' market. Digitals
could be purchased in 4, 6 and 8 inch versions under $30. All were
originally battery-powered.

It wasn't long until I was greatly annoyed when it seemed that the battery
was always dead when I wanted to use it. Keeping good batteries on hand
isn't easy either because new ones lose power just as ones in use, except
maybe slower. Like a lot of you, I have lots of other things to do, travels
to make, etc., and consequently, can't be at my workbench consistently. So,
it seemed like often, when I got back to my modelling affairs, I found
myself confronted with a battery problem.

One day, I came across a solar powered digital caliper!! For sale!! All in
one unit, no wires, no separate power unit, all nicely integrated, no
different in appearance or application. So, I grabbed it. I probably said
'Whoopee' at that moment.

Since that day, my mood has been lighter. (Or, it could be old age getting
closer!) The caliper has worked perfectly ever since it and I entered into
matrimony. The solar cell works just as well in the winter as when the sun
is high. It even works in a room with only an incandescent bulb for light,
or fluorescent.

The caliper I have is a Mitutoyo CD-S8"-CP, serial no. 0000422, Code number
500-492, 8" length.

Soon after I began to use the self-powered caliper, I enjoyed it so much
that I wanted another to use at work. Do you think I could find one? It
looked to me like Mitutoyo stopped making them. That may not be the truth,
but something got in the way. We who use spare time to model could use a lot
of these 'Magic Bunny plus' calipers. Time--the thing most of have so little
of--would be saved, not just in changing batteries, but in chasing after
them. Spirits would lighten; discourse on this list might even shift more
towards the humorous side; darkness would disappear to be replaced by sunny
comments. Textbooks on personality will describe that watershed moment in
2011 when modellers, at least, drastically changed from outright moodiness
to behavioral role models.

I, myself, may be somewhat delayed in joining the new sunnier modelling
group because I still haven't found my second solar-powered digital caliper.
Can any of you tool demons help? What happened to Mitutoyo? Where am I not
looking to find my new little machine, which will put me in CALIPER BIGAMY?

The would-be sunnier modeller,

JP


Re: HPAX

naptownprr
 

Thanks, that's what others have told me.

Quoting Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...>:

Jim, if you are looking for the 37' car used by Hunter, the Branchline car
is not the answer. Instead look for the Red Caboose Mather car.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org






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