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Re: Photo: SFRD Stainless Steel Reefer 13000

Bob Chaparro
 

Keith Jordan, one of the authors of the Santa Fe ice bunker reefer book, commented:

"...the car was never painted in standard colors. The late ca.1963-4 photo we used in the Reefer book shows the car in it’s original stainless steel.

There is the photo of the renumbered car (4150) with the Super Chief slogan side and it appears that the car numbers and some of the data were “patch painted,” which could have been SFRD color or maybe just some aluminum paint as background.

Without digging out the book again, if I remember correctly, the door was replaced early on.

Ed’s model is very nicely done!"

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Block of cars

C J Wyatt
 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 02:47 PM, Dave Nelson wrote:

Anyone know when the term ”Block”, describing a set of cars headed to the same location, came into general use?  Or whether that concept is in use outside of North America?  

 

Dave Nelson


If you go back to early in the 20th Century, you will see more talk about "classification" than "blocking", but there really is not much difference.

Also in Droege Freight Terminals & Trains, you will find mention of a gravity yard built in Germany in 1846, so I think the Europeans understood the concept of classification in the mid-19th Century. Droege talks a lot about classification, but scanning the yard section, I did not see mention of "blocking". However my search was far from comprehensive.

My wild ass guess is that in the USA with the emphasis on fast freight in the 1920s,  "blocking" came in use as a term which the shipping public more easily understood. But like I said ....

If anyone can come up with the first usage of the term blocking, I'd like to know myself, but it probably post-dates the concept of "classification"

Jack Wyatt

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Jeff Helm
 

I just found my copy of a September 2004 RMJ article that Richard Hendrickson wrote about the 6000 gallon pressure tank cars used for chlorine and in there he states that the orange and black scheme appeared after WWII, so my earlier statement was clearly off.  He also has a photo of the black and red scheme that Hawkins describes, dated 1938.  

Regards
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Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Jeff Helm
 

Here’s a post from Ed Hawkins on this list that I kept, regarding painting of ACF built Hooker tanks.  Unfortunately I lost the date reference:

From AC&F bill of materials data, I provide the following information
regarding HOKX cars.

#221-222 built 3-40, lot no. 2030, 4,000 gal. car, ICC 103B. "Vita-Var"
Pliolite Red used on ends and top of casing except center band. Black used
on center band, dome, bottom of casing, underframe, and trucks. White
stencils.

#225-226 built 6-41, lot no. 2218, 8,000 gal. car, ICC 103BW. Same scheme as
above although builder's photo appears to be painted entirely black. I trust
the paint specs to be the way the production cars were painted rather than
the way builder's photos "appear" to be painted.

#638-641, built 12-36, lot no. 1567, 6,000 gal. car, ICC 105A500. Same
scheme as above. Barely visible in the builder's photo is the black center
band. Not much contrast between the black and Pliolite Red colors.

#215, built 10-37, lot no. 1742, 8,000 gal. car, ICC 103B, Same scheme as
above. This bill of materials specified width of center band as 6'-5".

#216, built 4-39, lot no. 1868, 8,000 gal. car, ICC 103B. Same scheme as
above.

There were a few more cars that AC&F built for HOKX, but this is all that
I've researched to date. I have no information regarding what "Pliolite Red"
looks like. Hope this helps.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Jeff Helm
 

That’s interesting Tony, I’ve been looking for a good timeline on the changes with Hooker paint history.  My information is mostly from photos.  Curious, does the photo you reference have the block lettering or the “billboard” logo for Hooker?

i have seen b&w photos that show a two tone paint scheme with block lettering, but I believe those were red and black from previous threads in the subject on this list.

Thanks
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Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Tony Thompson
 

Jeff Helm wrote:

Hooker and PennSalt changed their schemes over the years. The orange and black billboard scheme for Hooker started in late ‘50s and went to mid ‘60s . . .

      I have a photo from the Richard Hendrickson collection of an orange and black Hooker tank (Tacoma) dated 1949. Don't know the paint history otherwise, perhaps someone on the list will.

Tony Thompson



Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Jeff Helm
 

Hooker and PennSalt changed their schemes over the years. The orange and black billboard scheme for Hooker started in late ‘50s and went to mid ‘60s, original as-built in the 30s and 40s was black.  In between there was a dark red and black.  There are photos showing dozens of the Hooker orange and black tanks together in Tacoma and at Niagara Falls.

PennSalt had the brown originally, with the yellow and blue roughly the same time period as Hookers orange and black. More difficult to find photos of those. Not sure how many were painted that way but at least a few.
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Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA

Re: PFE wood ice reefer underframes

Eric Hansmann
 

Sad to say, but it’s the past tense now. The Resin Car Works Kit 16.0 PFE WP reefers are now out of production. 

The currently available kits are featured on this web page. 

More news will be coming soon. 


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

On Aug 6, 2020, at 5:17 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

I see that Resin Car Works is shipping the new Western Pacific PFE kits.  I guess we will have to look closely at the underframes now that w)e have sortp of0 sorted them out.

Bill Pardie



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Re: PFE wood ice reefer underframes

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I see that Resin Car Works is shipping the new Western Pacific PFE kits.  I guess we will have to look closely at the underframes now that w)e have sortp of0 sorted them out.

Bill Pardie



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Re: Photo: String Of Boxcars (Undated - 1900?)

mopacfirst
 

I, and perhaps some of the other list members, have been on that line.  Not only does it still exist, but parts of it are a commuter line and other parts of it carry passenger excursion service (plus lots of gravel and stone).  Today's railroad also includes one end of the former SP Houston-Austin line, built by the Houston and Texas Central, which was attached to this segment some time after the balance of the H&TC line east of Giddings was abandoned.  

Ron Merrick

Re: Photo: String Of Boxcars (Undated - 1900?)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Howard,
 
Thanks for the additional ifo on these cars.
 
There is a nice article covering the A&NW in Mainline Modeler Aug 1999 pg58-60
 
Adding some additional info, the above article sez: "The only standard gauge box cars built for the A&NW we 70 cars constructed by Ensign in 1891. These were placed in the number series 7000-7069 and were typical 34' 60,000 pound wood cars built at the time"
 
The article goes on to say "In 1915, there were 30 in revenue service, while in 1916 there were three"
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: earlyrail
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: String Of Boxcars (Undated - 1900?)

A&NW - Austin & North Western
Part of the H&TC by 1905 and all relettered
Series 7000-7069, 34ft in 1900

Howard

Re: Photo: String Of Boxcars (Undated - 1900?)

earlyrail
 

A&NW - Austin & North Western
Part of the H&TC by 1905 and all relettered
Series 7000-7069, 34ft in 1900

Howard

Re: Freight car progress

O Fenton Wells
 

Inquiring mind wanted to know
Thanks

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 1:06 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
Fenton,

The BR&P became part of the B&O on January 1, 1933. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:04 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Eric when did the BR&P disappear and into which railroad did it get absorbed by?
Fenton

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 1:01 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
And the TM cars are 40-ft while all the BR&P prototypes were 36-ft cars. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Gary Laakso wrote:
"The bottom sill sure has the ear marks of a Train Miniature boxcar."

...except the one on BR&P 4500 is inset, and the one on the Train-Miniature DS boxcar protrudes beyond the sheathing, making the model look wrong.


Ben Hom



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250 Frye Rd
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Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Tony Thompson
 

gary laakso wrote:

I never realized that they came in such dazzling colors:

   These are all prototype schemes, but remember that most represent a handful of cars, sometimes only one.

Tony Thompson



Re: Photo: Gondolas With "Large Forms" Loads (1947)

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 09:57 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

I would second the suggestion the gons contain forms for concrete work. Look like larger versions of the forms I remember using when pouring foundation walls.

 

I also agree. While most of the panel form systems for residential work were plywood, or plywood on a steel frame, A lot of the really big panel forms meant to be set in place with a crane were steel or aluminum fabrications.
http://www.aluminumconcreteforms.com/crane_set_concrete_forms.htm

Dennis Storzek

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Allen Cain
 

Would be nice if they included the built and shop dates.

Allen Cain

Re: Freight car progress

Brian Carlson
 

Not Eric, but B&O in 1932. Sitting at my desk in Buffalo, the B in BR&P

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 6, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Fenton,

The BR&P became part of the B&O on January 1, 1933. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:04 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Eric when did the BR&P disappear and into which railroad did it get absorbed by?
Fenton

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 1:01 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
And the TM cars are 40-ft while all the BR&P prototypes were 36-ft cars. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Gary Laakso wrote:
"The bottom sill sure has the ear marks of a Train Miniature boxcar."

...except the one on BR&P 4500 is inset, and the one on the Train-Miniature DS boxcar protrudes beyond the sheathing, making the model look wrong.


Ben Hom



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Gary;

 

Maybe not so dazzling in real life, but my Hooker model is garish.  I plan to knock that down considerably.

 

The less primary colored ones appear less bright.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 12:57 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

 

I never realized that they came in such dazzling colors:

 

Blockedhttps://www.broadway-limited.com/6000gallontankcar.aspx 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Jon Miller
 

On 8/6/2020 9:57 AM, gary laakso wrote:
I never realized that they came in such dazzling colors:

    Notice they are now in 2 packs down from initial release of 4 packs.  Way back I thought the Hooker should be black but lots of emails, the orange is correct.

-- 
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For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
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Member SFRH&MS

Re: Broadway Limited 6.000 gallon tank cars

Brian Carlson
 

These mostly appear to be new numbers on schemes already run. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:57 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:



I never realized that they came in such dazzling colors:

 

https://www.broadway-limited.com/6000gallontankcar.aspx 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock