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Car capacity vs load limit, was Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
Ed,
Excellent question! Here's what that data on the side of a car means.
CAPY (or capacity) is the nominal weight allowed by the truck bearings, axles, and of course, car construction. On the F30A
Ed,
Excellent question! Here's what that data on the side of a car means.
CAPY (or capacity) is the nominal weight allowed by the truck bearings, axles, and of course, car construction. On the F30A
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Bruce Smith
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#187912
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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
Bruce,
The capacity of the car in the photo reads 140000 pounds. Can you crowd that up to 158000 pounds?
The T43 was reported to weigh 60 tons in the New York Times, back in the day. It was also
Bruce,
The capacity of the car in the photo reads 140000 pounds. Can you crowd that up to 158000 pounds?
The T43 was reported to weigh 60 tons in the New York Times, back in the day. It was also
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spsalso
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
Great photo. I’ve seen both M-48 and M-60 tanks with large timbers under them similar to this photo, and all overhang the sides of the flat car a bit.
When building my 1/35 model of the M-103 I
Great photo. I’ve seen both M-48 and M-60 tanks with large timbers under them similar to this photo, and all overhang the sides of the flat car a bit.
When building my 1/35 model of the M-103 I
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Daniel A. Mitchell
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#187910
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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
I'm not sure that there was any "pucker" factor involved. The T43 at full up combat weight was 60 tons. The load limit of the PRR F30A was around 158,000 lbs, so plenty of room there.
BTW, this is T34
I'm not sure that there was any "pucker" factor involved. The T43 at full up combat weight was 60 tons. The load limit of the PRR F30A was around 158,000 lbs, so plenty of room there.
BTW, this is T34
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Bruce Smith
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#187909
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Re: Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
Richard's comment about the tubing/timbers had me look again.
I can definitely see some wedge shaped pieces of steel under the rising track. And I can see what look like welds at the base of the
Richard's comment about the tubing/timbers had me look again.
I can definitely see some wedge shaped pieces of steel under the rising track. And I can see what look like welds at the base of the
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spsalso
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#187908
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
I wonder if the reason for the the reason for the "tubing" (timbers?) was to raise the load enough to clear obstructions such as station platforms.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
I wonder if the reason for the the reason for the "tubing" (timbers?) was to raise the load enough to clear obstructions such as station platforms.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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Richard Townsend
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#187907
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Photo: HBAX Pickle Car #105 (Undated)
Photo: HBAX Pickle Car #105 (Undated)
Photo courtesy of the New York Central Historical Society:
https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/133835
Taken at Elkhart, IN.
HBAX reporting mark assigned to
Photo: HBAX Pickle Car #105 (Undated)
Photo courtesy of the New York Central Historical Society:
https://nycshs.omeka.net/items/show/133835
Taken at Elkhart, IN.
HBAX reporting mark assigned to
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Bob Chaparro
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#187906
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
Yep, Ed, more than one!
They may have chosen this flat not only because it was a 70-ton car, but also a sturdy cast flat with integral pockets. PRR may have had no role in this, but maybe they
Yep, Ed, more than one!
They may have chosen this flat not only because it was a 70-ton car, but also a sturdy cast flat with integral pockets. PRR may have had no role in this, but maybe they
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
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Re: Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
Here's an interesting picture for at least two of us. Maybe more.
That's a T43 being delivered to Aberdeen Proving Ground for testing. Date appears to be March 25, 1952.
The big flats weren't
Here's an interesting picture for at least two of us. Maybe more.
That's a T43 being delivered to Aberdeen Proving Ground for testing. Date appears to be March 25, 1952.
The big flats weren't
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spsalso
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#187903
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Re: Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
Nice model Dan!
Didn’t Roco make two versions of USATC Flats….the one pictured and another with straight sides? AMTRAK got a bunch of them and likely used them to move locomotive and passenger
Nice model Dan!
Didn’t Roco make two versions of USATC Flats….the one pictured and another with straight sides? AMTRAK got a bunch of them and likely used them to move locomotive and passenger
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Charlie Vlk
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Re: Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
While in the future of this list, I photographed several M103s on flat cars in Anniston, GA during a Southern Steam Excursion from Columbus, GA in about 1975.
Thanks!
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Brian Ehni
From:
While in the future of this list, I photographed several M103s on flat cars in Anniston, GA during a Southern Steam Excursion from Columbus, GA in about 1975.
Thanks!
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Brian Ehni
From:
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BRIAN PAUL EHNI
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Re: Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
The M-103 was a most impressive vehicle. The first pilot model was completed in 1949, but the productionmachines didn’t appear until 1953, so it’s right at the end off the steam-era.
For more info
The M-103 was a most impressive vehicle. The first pilot model was completed in 1949, but the productionmachines didn’t appear until 1953, so it’s right at the end off the steam-era.
For more info
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Daniel A. Mitchell
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Re: Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
In 1949, the T43 heavy tank was approved for development. It eventually became the M103 heavy tank, of which 300 were built.
They weighed about 65 tons. One fits nicely on the 100 ton flats that are
In 1949, the T43 heavy tank was approved for development. It eventually became the M103 heavy tank, of which 300 were built.
They weighed about 65 tons. One fits nicely on the 100 ton flats that are
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spsalso
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I received my Rapido X31s today
And they are up to their usual standard, they all came with two brake types so you can put the right one for your era on the car.
Jeff White
Alma IL
And they are up to their usual standard, they all came with two brake types so you can put the right one for your era on the car.
Jeff White
Alma IL
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Jeffrey White
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#187898
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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
Guys;
Interesting topic.
I read much correspondence, also on how many M-4’s you could fit in a cargo ship, vs. larger tanks.
Bruce is correct, and I’d also add that until Leslie McNair
Guys;
Interesting topic.
I read much correspondence, also on how many M-4’s you could fit in a cargo ship, vs. larger tanks.
Bruce is correct, and I’d also add that until Leslie McNair
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
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#187897
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Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
Hudson,
While size may have played a role (in addition to offloading capabilities, there were concerns about mobility, infrastructure strength, etc… with heavier tanks), probably the biggest
Hudson,
While size may have played a role (in addition to offloading capabilities, there were concerns about mobility, infrastructure strength, etc… with heavier tanks), probably the biggest
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Bruce Smith
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Re: Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
The M4 tank was a Medium tank and one of the reasons that the US did not field a Heavy tank was that the M4's
weight was just about the maximum capacity of the onboard ship cranes of the era.
-Hudso
The M4 tank was a Medium tank and one of the reasons that the US did not field a Heavy tank was that the M4's
weight was just about the maximum capacity of the onboard ship cranes of the era.
-Hudso
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Hudson Leighton
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Re: Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
There’s some confusion in the statement "DODX six-axle flat cars were manufactured in 1953 to handle the Patton family of tanks, which were considerably heavier than their predecessors”. Tanks
There’s some confusion in the statement "DODX six-axle flat cars were manufactured in 1953 to handle the Patton family of tanks, which were considerably heavier than their predecessors”. Tanks
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Daniel A. Mitchell
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#187894
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New RPM Announced: Batavia New York, April 3 2022
I'm helping to spread the word about a new Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet scheduled for April 3, 2022 at Batavia, New York (about halfway between Buffalo and Rochester). It will be held in
I'm helping to spread the word about a new Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet scheduled for April 3, 2022 at Batavia, New York (about halfway between Buffalo and Rochester). It will be held in
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G.J. Irwin
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Re: Late 40's to mid 50's military rail movements
Pure speculation on my part: the war was over and the army did not need the cars. But the pent up consumer demand had been released and the railroads had beaten many cars to death during the war, so
Pure speculation on my part: the war was over and the army did not need the cars. But the pent up consumer demand had been released and the railroads had beaten many cars to death during the war, so
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Richard Townsend
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#187892
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