General American Type 17.  The body bolster matches GATC, and a PTC or STC tank would almost always have the safety valves on opposite sides of the manway. Not definitive, but the lettering style

Some images of car details of the Alton 17,000 series. Pantagraph Digital Archives from 1946. Good siding, trucks, stirrup and stencil

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Anyone recognize the builder of that KINX tank car ? Is it a Pennsylvania Tank Car, or perhaps a Standard Tank Car ? On 9/17/2022 9:21 PM, David via groups.io wrote:

If that photo really is from 1930, I wonder if the large number of SP (and T&NO) box cars seen together (without foreign cars) were in storage due to the economic circumstances

Many thanks David. good info and the photo is a big help Fenton -- Fenton Wells 250 Frye Rd Pinehurst NC 28374 910-420-8106 srrfan1401@...

Boy, Ray thanks so much for the Info. I noticed in one of Ted Cullottas books on the double sheathed the SP, UP and the C&A were mentioned as Harriman roads show similar boxcars but not with the

Excellent and very useful post. Thank you, Lester.

Actually, I think that these cars were rebuilt in two groups: one with flat roofs and Murphy ends, and a second with radials and Dreadnaughts. That makes sense, as a road as cash strapped as the Alton

Ajax. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 06:55:33 PM CDT, Todd Sullivan via groups.io

The cars were retired by the 1954 K brake ban. None were ever repainted to GM&O, and none ever got Youngstown doors (remember: the Alton was a POOR railroad, and kept things basic) Ray Breyer Elgin,

Remember that the ORERs are a GUIDE, and not always the best one, since it relied on railroads self-reporting. In the case of the C&As 17000s, they actually LOST a quarter inch between 1915 and 1950.

I expect that few or none of these cars were repainted/relettered for GM&O. The Alton series was almost entirely retired/scrapped in the late 1940s. There are a few photos showing these cars in their

Ed, thank you so much for your excellent response. I’m getting the picture now that by 1953 there weren’t many of these cars left. But they were wood cars with radial roofs and some kind of

Ray Breyer feels that these were 1905 wooden cars rebuilt with radial roofs and some version of dreadnaught ends. We are still looking Thanks for your input

Thanks Todd, I’m looking for that photo

Fenton, A little more data. I checked my January 1952 ORER, and the GM7O had 6 ex-Alton 17000 series boxcars listed. They were not big cars: 12'-1" at the eaves, 12'-11" over the running board and

Fenton, Looking at the Library of Congress copy of the photo, it kinda looks to me like the ends were 3/3 ends with a wide part at the bottom of the bottom panel. I'm not sure I can figure out the

Steve April 1943 -- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.

Thanks Ray, so these, as rebuilds were wood with radial roofs and dreadnaught ends? And if I could find a photo of a GM&O 17XXX series car that would work? I want to bash one but need more info.