Al, the reference is to the sides. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Eric, when you say "pattern" and "sheathing", do those refer to the roof or the sides? Thanks, Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Doug, I can certainly see that now! Thanks for educating me. The table I just uploaded is fine: "Early Improved Steel roofs". Too bad one can't stick small formatted text bits into the

Eric, Yahoo converts all group messages to plain text. It removes all formatting, including tabs, in the process. Which is why we see some wonderful "text art" in some messages. You can create the

What a mess... Uploading a table to files: "Early Improved Steel roofs" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, I can see that the table did not work AT ALL! The new interface leads one to believe tables work just fine. Doesn't seem to be so. Here is another try in straight text format and in making

Dennis Storzek wrote: The quote over my name is Eric Lombard's, not mine, and I entirely agree with Dennis about the importance of solid steel roofs, which were mechanically far stiffer, simpler

Eric Lombard wrote: Richard Hendrickson may wish to chime in on this, as I know he has researched it extensively, but I would urge GREAT caution in any interpretation of the word "improved." In the

Hello Everyone, I would be very interested in the collective knowledge of the group about early "Improved Steel" roofs. Here is a small table taken from my database which indicates the

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Great info, guys! I ran into some of the correspondence of the PRR, when they were running through the whole "what should we do" thing on roofs c.thirties,

  --- In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote: As early as 1932, the Standard Railway Equipment Co. called the paneled roofs "Solidsteel" also. I don't believe the

Rick , Tony... The cars were built 1923-24 and one would be safe, I think, in going with a "Murphy Solidsteel" roof as diagrammed in this reproduction in the Carmen's Journal, 1921, Vol. 26:

Eric Lombard wrote: As early as 1932, the Standard Railway Equipment Co. called the paneled roofs "Aolidsteel" also. I don't believe the name is associated with absence of panels. Tony Thompson

And Good Morning to you, Rick.. According to the a KCS equipment diagram for that series, the cars had "Murphy Solidsteel" roofs. The Solidsteel roof (one word) lacked the raised panel between the

Good morning all, Can anyone in the group tell me what type of roof was used on the Kansas City Southern boxcars in the 16000-16499 series. These cars had 7/7 ends and were single sheathed. A photo

Seems that there is some sort of temporal distortion on my STMFC feed since I read the reply to this message earlier today. ;>) Still, the idea posted then was a good one. I would use a piece of

Thanks Richard. I have the mineral red car but was wondering if I could justify the cool yellow one. I think I have the correct car. fenton wells rhendrickson@...> wrote: -- Fenton

Richard, I have never been able to determine the reason the C of G purchased so many to these cars with the 10' door and a half opening. Do you have information stating they were bought

I cleaned my workbench and found minikit from Sunshine for this series of cars for the GM&O (also 5000-5683). I had painted the car but not decaled it yet. The minikit instructions show a Bill Welch

Don, Seems that there is some sort of temporal distortion on my STMFC feed since I read the reply to this message earlier tody. ;>) Still, the idea posted then was a good one. I would use a