To add to John's comment: When J&L owned the Adams mine on the Onatio Northland, iron ore was shipped to Pittsburgh Works in ON, CN, Canada Southen and P&LE hoppers, in proportion to the mileage.

Elden, the two RRs owned by Bethlehem were the Patapsco & Back Rivers and the South Buffalo, neither of which owned 65' mill gons in the steam era (though both had Greenville design 52'6" mill gons as

I presume these are not self clearing (i.e. the lading falls completely out on its own with no persuasion from hired farm boys with shovels). In olden times, hopper cars were just gondolas with

No matter what the length, any damage to the pipe ends ruins them. Before the advent of bulkhead flat cars and bulkhead gondolas, extra length gondolas were probably very welcome by shippers. The

Ed Hawkins wrote: Ed, the SP records show that their single order of these cars followed a C&O spec. Do you have info or photos on the C&O cars? I'd be curious to see if they are close in

I have only ever seen the as built photo, in many publications including the CBC. They were used to transfer coal tar and products between J&L Aliquippa Works and Pittsburgh Works. Both plants had

Gene, there were only nine of those big J&L cars and the only photo I've ever seen is the builder's photo reproduced in the Car Builders' Cyclopedias, where one of the cars was shown presumably

wrote: Yes, as in a listing of 100 assorted Union Railroad trains, what would the talley for 65' gons be versus house cars. The 65' gons win hands down... The most common car in that situation is

Gene; There is a photo of it as-built in one of the CBCs, but I do not have that volume. You would have to look at ORER to see how long they did in interchange, but there were 8 left in service in

Phil, I believe the UP car in question is a 50' riveted PS-1 from series 162300-162599, A-50-22, built late 1954. There was another riveted series built early 1955, UP 500500-500699, B-50-44, with

I will NOT count rivets, I will NOT count rivets..... :) Thanks everyone! That rivet pattern looks the same as on the double door 40' PS-1's which the CNW purchased. Best regards,

Can someone refer me to a source of photos for the J&L three-dome 20,000 gallon tank car. Was the car used in interchange service? Did it get upgraded with newer trucks replacing the

...I ran across this photo which appears to be a riveted PS-1 in UP colors. The resolution is not good enough to get the number off the end. One thing this car is not is a UP 100000-101599 B-50-40.

When I have had to make wide door steps on these cars and others like the ART cars I make them out of Detail Associates .010 x .030 brass strip using the resin steps as a pattern. I have found the

My apologies to Mr. Buchwald and Ed Hawkins, Ed is correct. After I enlarged the photo and compared it to similar angled photos of UP cars it appears that it is a 50 foot PS-1 with

Ed; There was a gent with Levinson Steel that told me that they always received their pipe stock in (PB&NE or somesuch; was that a Beth Steel road?) 65' gons. I wonder why? Was it cheaper to have

A few months ago someone asked about these unusual cars. I was looking through an old issue of the "Green Diamond" an found that the IC railroad rebuilt about 4000 of these cars from gondolas in

A man who worked for the Erie in the early 1950s told me he remembered one customer who always received bales of metal in 65 ft. gons. Ed

Tim; I am in a similar situation, and thinking that maybe Charlie is referring to a specific mill/stretch of railroad in his modeling. At USS' mills in Pgh, I have been told that they required 40% of

Hello Mr. Buchwald, The PS-1 box car in your photo is a 40 foot car from UP series 100000-101599, PS lot 5908, 1600 cars built in 1948 without the rectangles at the peak next to the hand wheel