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Re: B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

I was pleased to notice a WP 16001-series double-sheathed boxcar in this photo. It is over on the right in the string punctuated by the Phillips tank car. You can spot it by the herald on the door.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:33 PM Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:

Friends,

That is an B&O M-15H and I have attached the photo I presume was in the link that I cannot get to work. The roof is not documented, but the end, as mentioned, was a Tatum XLT end with differences from the Indestructible End.  Tatum was the Chief Engineer for the B&O and patented his ideas and the B&O used them. You are probably are all familiar with his brake slack adjuster that appears on the side of B&O M-53 boxcars (and others) as a steel plate with a ratcheting mechanism. 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: B&O double sheathed boxcar with single sheathed ends?

Bruce Griffin
 

Friends,

That is an B&O M-15H and I have attached the photo I presume was in the link that I cannot get to work. The roof is not documented, but the end, as mentioned, was a Tatum XLT end with differences from the Indestructible End.  Tatum was the Chief Engineer for the B&O and patented his ideas and the B&O used them. You are probably are all familiar with his brake slack adjuster that appears on the side of B&O M-53 boxcars (and others) as a steel plate with a ratcheting mechanism. 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Photo: Western Maryland Hopper 20049 With Coal Load

David
 

Western Maryland did have a large batch of Gla copies, but this particular car was a taller rebuild with some differences in the ends.

David Thompson


Re: Photo: Western Maryland Hopper 20049 With Coal Load

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Eric and List Members,
 
I forgot to mention, to me these cars look a whole lot like PRR class GLa hoppers in all respects EXCEPT the channel sides.
 
That of course means there is a kitbashing opportunity for those interested!
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Hi Eric and List Members,
 
RMC Jan 1999 pg58-61 has an article that provides details on the rebuilding - apparently the rebuilting process went on from 1927-1932.
 
Claus Schlund
 
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On Jul 12, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: Western Maryland Hopper 20049 With Coal Load
An undated photo from West Virginia University:
1935 or later.

     Nice shot of the classic channel-rib design.

Tony Thompson


The 7-1935 weigh date is about when the WM adopted the circular emblem. They would add Fast Freight Line to the center of the emblem in a few years. 

IIRC, the hopper is a rebuild of a batch of Pullman built cars originally built in 1916-1917. They were delivered with hat section side stakes. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Photo: Western Maryland Hopper 20049 With Coal Load

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Eric and List Members,
 
RMC Jan 1999 pg58-61 has an article that provides details on the rebuilding - apparently the rebuilting process went on from 1927-1932.
 
Claus Schlund
 

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On Jul 12, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: Western Maryland Hopper 20049 With Coal Load
An undated photo from West Virginia University:
1935 or later.

     Nice shot of the classic channel-rib design.

Tony Thompson


The 7-1935 weigh date is about when the WM adopted the circular emblem. They would add Fast Freight Line to the center of the emblem in a few years. 

IIRC, the hopper is a rebuild of a batch of Pullman built cars originally built in 1916-1917. They were delivered with hat section side stakes. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Photo: Ohio River Railroad Boxcar 2701

Tim O'Connor
 


6-27-98 to be specific ! :-)


On 7/12/2020 7:49 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: Ohio River Railroad Boxcar 2701
An undated photo from West Virginia University:
Built by Ensign Manufacturing Company of Huntington, W. Va.

  Nice Builder photo! The weigh date appears to be 1898.

Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Western Maryland Hopper 20049 With Coal Load

Eric Hansmann
 



On Jul 12, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: Western Maryland Hopper 20049 With Coal Load
An undated photo from West Virginia University:
1935 or later.

     Nice shot of the classic channel-rib design.

Tony Thompson


The 7-1935 weigh date is about when the WM adopted the circular emblem. They would add Fast Freight Line to the center of the emblem in a few years. 

IIRC, the hopper is a rebuild of a batch of Pullman built cars originally built in 1916-1917. They were delivered with hat section side stakes. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Photo: Ohio River Railroad Boxcar 2701

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: Ohio River Railroad Boxcar 2701
An undated photo from West Virginia University:
Built by Ensign Manufacturing Company of Huntington, W. Va.

  Nice Builder photo! The weigh date appears to be 1898.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Western Maryland Hopper 20049 With Coal Load

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: Western Maryland Hopper 20049 With Coal Load
An undated photo from West Virginia University:
1935 or later.

     Nice shot of the classic channel-rib design.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: ATSF Gondola 75473 Looking A Little Tired

 


Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: Non-standard height 1923 ARA Steel boxcars

Bill Welch
 

Ten of the HPT&D cars went to West India Fruit. they were built with Duryea underframes. By about the mid-fifties—maybe later—the remaining HPT&D cars received Silver and Maroon or Purple and Silver. Not in what order or could have been at the same time. Sunshine offered kit for both HPT&D and WIF.

Bill Welch


Match and Strawboard Making

 
Edited

Mr. Barber also has a connection with another relatively “behind the scenes” industry - strawboard production (one of my areas of interest). Mr. Barber’s formed the Portage Strawboard in 1882 - not too long after Diamond Match was formed. He merged Portage with American Strawboard by 1889, which he continued to operate until his death in 1920. American Strawboard later became Mid-West Box Company, then finally (for the purposes of this list, anyway) the Container Corporation of America.
 
According to my notes, Diamond Match consumed a good deal of the strawboard produced in New Portage, Ohio (later Barberton). Most of the product created in strawboard mills was used for packaging - so perhaps match boxes, in this case.
 
Several early American Strawboard cars were rebuilt by Ralston Steel Car Company in Columbus, Ohio. See a few images here. (thanks to Columbus Railroads web guy for curating these, and to Eric Hansmann for the reminder).
 
By the way, thanks for stating Mr. Barber’s full name, Thomas. The references I have were limited to “C. Barber”. When I read his name in your post (Ohio Columbus Barber), I was fairly sure there had been some copy and paste error - I just could not figure out that sentence (confused all the more by the fact that I live in Columbus, Ohio)! Thanks to Wikipedia for the “ah-ha” moment.
 
Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio, US
Modeling Circleville, Ohio (home of the second Portage Mill) in 1938

On Jul 11, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Thomas Klosterman <tom.klosterman@...> wrote:
Eventually (early 20th century) most of the matches in the US were manufactured in Barberton, Ohio [Diamond Match and others served by the A&BBRR (the "Belt Line") from interchange with the PRR] and Wadsworth, Ohio (nearby and served by the Erie). Many men in Barberton worked at the match factories. My father, as a youth, worked as a "block feeder," feeding blocks of (probably) these or similar blocks made from trees like this into a machine that produced matchsticks. My Grandfather worked in the dipping tank area. The Blue Tip Match was made in Wadsworth with the same equipment until the 1980's. The town still celebrates the Blue Tip Festival. 
Diamond match was started and owned by Ohio Columbus Barber (who planned and started the town), hence "Barberton." He also started the Belt Line (and many other manufacturers in town) and eventually sold it to a combination of PRR. B&O, Erie and maybe the AC&Y.  Interesting history here.


Photo: ATSF Gondola 75473 Looking A Little Tired

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: ATSF Gondola 75473 Looking A Little Tired

An undated photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc612705/?q=railroad

As some of you may know, the numbering structure for Santa Fe gondolas was less than orderly. As near as I can tell this is a Class Ga-87 gondola and was built in 1954. The car was fifty-three feet long.

A model of this car probably would make a good track cleaner.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Non-standard height 1923 ARA Steel boxcars

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Eric,

Thanks.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Sunday, July 12, 2020, 03:10:29 PM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Here’s an image from the Steam Era Freight Cars website. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 12, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Don Burn <burn@...> wrote:

There is a picture in Speedwich's "Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Volume One: Box and Automobile Cars".

Don Burn


Re: Non-standard height 1923 ARA Steel boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Here’s an image from the Steam Era Freight Cars website. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 12, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Don Burn <burn@...> wrote:

There is a picture in Speedwich's "Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Volume One: Box and Automobile Cars".

Don Burn


Re: Non-standard height 1923 ARA Steel boxcars

Don Burn
 

There is a picture in Speedwich's "Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Volume One: Box and Automobile Cars".

Don Burn

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Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Non-standard height 1923 ARA Steel boxcars

Any pictures of those HPT&D cars?
oldline1


Re: Non-standard height 1923 ARA Steel boxcars

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Any pictures of those HPT&D cars?
oldline1


Non-standard height 1923 ARA Steel boxcars

David
 

It depends on how far from "1923 ARA" you want to go. If you're counting the X28, then the N&W BP, BS, and BT classes would also count. Closer to home, Erie, PM, and NKP had auto boxes based on the ARA design, and Erie had some 9'4" single-door cars.

David Thompson


Re: Non-standard height 1923 ARA Steel boxcars

Don Burn
 

Bill,

Are these different from the USRA Steel boxcars the Reading had that were 9' 3" with plate ends? I checked Tim's mention of CNJ, and definitely found they had 200 cars that were 1923 ARA design but taller.

Don Burn

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:53 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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Indeed the CNJ cars and the Reading has cars with plate ends and similar roofs to PRR, I think. No idea about the underframe however.

Bill Welch


Re: Non-standard height 1923 ARA Steel boxcars

Bill Welch
 

Indeed the CNJ cars and the Reading has cars with plate ends and similar roofs to PRR, I think. No idea about the underframe however.

Bill Welch

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