Re: Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot
Allan Smith
The Bx-U boxcars were built in 1890 series 40948-41440. They were originally built as Fe-D Furniture cars and given the number series 80400-81010, soon renumbered into the 6095-6600 and 6601-7200 series. In 1906 they were reclassified into boxcars becoming classes Bx-T and Bx-U almost all gone from the roster by the early 1920's. So the date on this photo is somewhat dubious. Al Smith Sonora CA
On Monday, March 30, 2020, 02:01:11 PM PDT, earlyrail <cascaderail@...> wrote:
Interesting in that 41xxx series does not appear in the 1901 or 1905 ORER. They do appear in the Mach 1907 ORER Howard Garner
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Re: DL&W brake system help
Schleigh Mike
Hello Group! When Pierre announced these cars I placed a notice about the ELRRHS reprint of the DL&W's 1952 "Car Department -- Classification of Fright Equipment." This reference lists 245 cars in service and that "AB Brakes Being Applied." Hope this helps with any 'timing' issues. Regards----Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.
On Monday, March 30, 2020, 05:19:25 PM EDT, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:
Railway Prototype Cyc Vol 24 P83 stated that DL&W series 11350-11599 were rebuilt April thru September1936 and equipped with new Youngstown steel sides, Hutchins all-steel Dry lading roofs, staggered Youngstown corrugated steel doors with Camel roller-lift fixtures enclosing 12'-6 1/4"wide door openings, Ajax Type 13396 power hand brakes, Evans Auto-Loaders and twelve chain wells. When rebuilt the cars retained their original Andrews truck sideframes, KC schedule air brake systems, wood running boards and brake steps and 5-5-5 Murphy ends with newly fabricated extensions between the top and middle sections. The cars were assigned the AAR XAR automobile car classification and weighed 53,000 lbs. These cars are on my Sierra RR list in 1952 and I have them to build, so I am also curious to see if they had the KC brake valves replaced do to AAR requirements. Al Smith Sonora CA
On Monday, March 30, 2020, 11:40:57 AM PDT, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:
I am looking at Delaware, Lackawanna & Western auto double door rebuilt steel box, series 11300 to 11599, rebuilt 1935 to 1937 The Yarmouth Model Works kit #115 comes with K brakes. Upon looking at the Jan. 1953 ORER I see 199 cars still in service. My question did the cars in service receive AB brakes or did they not run in Interchange service? Thank You in advance for your time and effort to answer. Lester Breuer
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Re: DL&W brake system help
Allan Smith
Railway Prototype Cyc Vol 24 P83 stated that DL&W series 11350-11599 were rebuilt April thru September1936 and equipped with new Youngstown steel sides, Hutchins all-steel Dry lading roofs, staggered Youngstown corrugated steel doors with Camel roller-lift fixtures enclosing 12'-6 1/4"wide door openings, Ajax Type 13396 power hand brakes, Evans Auto-Loaders and twelve chain wells. When rebuilt the cars retained their original Andrews truck sideframes, KC schedule air brake systems, wood running boards and brake steps and 5-5-5 Murphy ends with newly fabricated extensions between the top and middle sections. The cars were assigned the AAR XAR automobile car classification and weighed 53,000 lbs. These cars are on my Sierra RR list in 1952 and I have them to build, so I am also curious to see if they had the KC brake valves replaced do to AAR requirements. Al Smith Sonora CA
On Monday, March 30, 2020, 11:40:57 AM PDT, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:
I am looking at Delaware, Lackawanna & Western auto double door rebuilt steel box, series 11300 to 11599, rebuilt 1935 to 1937 The Yarmouth Model Works kit #115 comes with K brakes. Upon looking at the Jan. 1953 ORER I see 199 cars still in service. My question did the cars in service receive AB brakes or did they not run in Interchange service? Thank You in advance for your time and effort to answer. Lester Breuer
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Re: Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot
earlyrail
Interesting in that 41xxx series does not appear in the 1901 or 1905 ORER. They do appear in the Mach 1907 ORER Howard Garner
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SSW 17164 and the "Jail-House end"
Hi, Folks....
Just can't resist one more note on SSW 17164 with the unusual ends. Being locked down in Chicagoland makes time to trace out interesting one-offs. This car was one of 120 built by AC&F, Lot 7515, ordered 8-1914, built 12-1914 as 11034<>21986 even numbers. The cars were replacements into SSW 11000-22078, even numbers, wood, of which there were 5624 active in 2-1908 ORER and 5801 active in 2-1916 ORER. After 1914, Note 31 in the ORER tabulates the serials of the ACF cars. Sure enough, SSW 17160 is listed (attached). These cars were renumbered to 27000-27116 over 1924-1925 and remained in service into 1936. There is a clear photo (#21902) of this end in an article on box car ends by Richard Bale in MRH Oct. 2014, p98, http://mrhpub.com/2014-10-oct/land/ He notes that it was dubbed the "jail-house" end by John Nehrich. That photo is a reproduction of same in the 1916 CBD, p394. The Westerfield collection of AC&F builder photos contains two photos of #21902, Lot 7515, together showing many aspects of the entire car. I've not seen evidence of these unusual ends on any other series. If you know of such, I would appreciate a note. Stay safe everyone, Eric L Hunkered down in Chicagoland
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Re: Early Fruit Transportation . . . . . oyster box cars
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Bob, IIRC somebody, probably Red Ball, offered a Stillwell oyster car back in dark ages. Likely a wooden block with paper overlays and real lead parts. Yours Aye, Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge 🦆
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:24 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: What ARE these ???
Schuyler Larrabee
Well, Pierre and Brian, that’s what I thought they might be. There’s a dimple for drilling a hole through the short upturned end, and it makes some sense that is what they’d be for. I’ll go with that for now.
Thanks
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 4:17 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What ARE these ???
Precision scale air hose brackets I think. Brian J. Carlson
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Re: What ARE these ???
Precision scale air hose brackets I think.
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Brian J. Carlson
On Mar 30, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
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Re: What ARE these ???
Pierre Oliver
Air hose brackets Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com On 2020-03-30 4:08 p.m., Schuyler
Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:
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What ARE these ???
Schuyler Larrabee
I hate to admit this, but in the course of doing some deep cleaning and rearranging of my workbench and supplies, I came across this sprue of small parts. I have no idea what they are. Realizing that I provided nothing in the photo to give a scale reference, I measure them to be pretty much exactly ¼” long.
Evidently I knew what they were for at one time – two have been cut off and presumably mounted somewhere on a steam era freight car, no doubt.
Identification sought.
Schuyler
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Re: RPM Chicagoland News
Tony Thompson
But that's why I may not choose to attend, given the travel involved from the West Coast. I have only missed one or two "Naperville" meets, but this sounds like it might be another. That's just me at a great distance, of course. If I were closer I would love to support it, and depending how things fall out in the fall, might come just for the buzz. Tony Thompson
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Re: Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot
mel perry
looks like the two cars on the right were reefers mel perry
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020, 11:59 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot
Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot A circa 1900 photo courtesy of the Wabaunsee County Historical Society & Museum: https://wabaunseecomuseumdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/d04.jpg Caption: "Merchants and residents of Eskridge, Kansas unload freight from an Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe Freight train at the Eskridge depot in this view, circa 1900." Pictured are boxcars ATSF 41137 (Bx-U) and ATSF 18058 (Bx-C), plus two unidentified boxcars. The Bx-U class of forty-foot cars first appeared in 1890 and were re-designated from the FE-D class furniture cars in 1906-08. The cars were built by the Wells & French Company. None of these cars were on the live list by 1922. The Bx-C class of thirty-four foot cars appeared in 1892-93 and were the products of several car builders. The Bx-C designation was applied in 1902. A small number of these cars lasted into the early 1930s. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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DL&W brake system help
Lester Breuer
I am looking at Delaware, Lackawanna & Western auto double door rebuilt steel box, series 11300 to 11599, rebuilt 1935 to 1937 The Yarmouth Model Works kit #115 comes with K brakes. Upon looking at the Jan. 1953 ORER I see 199 cars still in service. My question did the cars in service receive AB brakes or did they not run in Interchange service?
Thank You in advance for your time and effort to answer. Lester Breuer
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Re: Index to 101 Years of Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Official Minute Books and Records on 35 mm Microfilm 1849 to 1950 and C.E. Perkins Papers 1863-1907 Microfilm
On 3/28/20 6:42 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:
Please excuse the off-topic post but I need help on research:I think that's mostly what we do here. A couple of years ago I ran across an online detailed catalogTry <http://www.worldcat.org/>. It's a union catalog of hundreds of large libraries, with an emphasis on university and research libraries. I've found it an invaluable for seeing who has what. Cheers, / Bruce /
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Photo: PRR Wreck Train
Photo: PRR Wreck Train Photo courtesy of the University of Virginia: http://eshore.iath.virginia.edu/sites/default/files/ph.cchs_.318.rrwrecktrain_1924.jpg Caption: "Pennsylvania Railroad Wreck Train, April 24, 1924." That automobile boxcar (C&NW?) in the background has and interesting end. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Early Fruit Transportation . . . . . oyster box cars
Also there were special cars for transporting oysters when people would pay a steep premium for the legless "livestock". The cars had salt water tanks for the valuable mollusks. Here is an example of an oyster car: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Stillwell_Oyster_Car_1897.jpg And here is an article about Arthur E. Stilwell, inventor of the famed Stilwell Oyster Car http://www.pullman-museum.org/theCompany/stillwell.html Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Paint stripper saga
Mont Switzer
Should be 1937 AAR rebuilds. Can't blame that on SPELL Chucker. Mont Switzer
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From: Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...>
Date: 3/30/20 9:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint stripper saga
Allan and all,
The NKP 18000 AAR 47 rebuilds were programmed at Frankfort. IN Car Shop just before the merger with WAB and N&W.
Not an NKP expert either. Just had to figure this out when building the models.
Mont Switzer
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From: Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
Date: 3/29/20 1:58 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint stripper saga
NKP 18000 Series Boxcars. See Mont Switzer article in Mainline Modeler March 1994 Page 28-29. The NKP Rebuilt some 16000-17999 cars and renumbered them into the 18000 series. I am not an expert in the NKP, but am building NKP cars for my layout, from conductors
lists from the Sierra RR in 1954.
Al Smith
Sonora CA
On Sunday, March 29, 2020, 10:47:38 AM PDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
I only mention this because this subject seems to come up alot. Yesterday I decided to build four plastic kits as a change of pace from drilling and pushing in grab irons on resin models. I have three IMWX and one Intermountain AAR 37
design kits to make home road. I had stripped the lettering off the IM kit previously. I thought the IMWX kits were all undecs, but one was lettered NKP. I use Scalecoat stripper. I dipped the car in for about a half hour. Didn't touch the lettering. I did
one more dip, no success. I thought, well, I'll leave it NKP. The car was numbered in the 18000 series. I checked Ed Hawkins AAR 37 list and found no cars listed in that series. So, I dipped the body in the stripper for several hours. Finally with scrubbing
it came off. They used good paint in the old days ; ))
CW Propst
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Re: RPM Chicagoland News
Frank Hodina
The reason for the one day event is that was the only date available at NIU for 2020. In 2021 the RPM could be one, two or three days. And the reason for holding the event at NIU is the cost which is less than half of what a hotel charges per day. The attendance fee will drop to something like $50. Also there's no risk with booking with NIU as they have a 15 day cancellation period with a 100% refund.
Frank
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Re: Paint stripper saga
Mont Switzer
Allan and all,
The NKP 18000 AAR 47 rebuilds were programmed at Frankfort. IN Car Shop just before the merger with WAB and N&W.
Not an NKP expert either. Just had to figure this out when building the models.
Mont Switzer
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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From: Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
Date: 3/29/20 1:58 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint stripper saga
NKP 18000 Series Boxcars. See Mont Switzer article in Mainline Modeler March 1994 Page 28-29. The NKP Rebuilt some 16000-17999 cars and renumbered them into the 18000 series. I am not an expert in the NKP, but am building NKP cars for my layout, from conductors
lists from the Sierra RR in 1954.
Al Smith
Sonora CA
On Sunday, March 29, 2020, 10:47:38 AM PDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
I only mention this because this subject seems to come up alot. Yesterday I decided to build four plastic kits as a change of pace from drilling and pushing in grab irons on resin models. I have three IMWX and one Intermountain AAR 37
design kits to make home road. I had stripped the lettering off the IM kit previously. I thought the IMWX kits were all undecs, but one was lettered NKP. I use Scalecoat stripper. I dipped the car in for about a half hour. Didn't touch the lettering. I did
one more dip, no success. I thought, well, I'll leave it NKP. The car was numbered in the 18000 series. I checked Ed Hawkins AAR 37 list and found no cars listed in that series. So, I dipped the body in the stripper for several hours. Finally with scrubbing
it came off. They used good paint in the old days ; ))
CW Propst
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