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Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Ken Adams
 

If you build or look at the instructions for one of the Owl Mountain's  SP F-50-xx kits you will see Jason Hill's very ingenious design for small straight side sill flat car weighting that would be ideal if the weights used are available from his supplier. It is a design that upside down viewing will reveal an un-prototype arrangement but it is your choice of that or just a mantelpiece model. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

Benjamin Hom
 

Jeff Aley wrote:
"Hmm.  I think a similarly-worded response would be “yes, it does.”  But I’ll refrain from the all caps."

I'll concede this one, but I'll guarantee people will continue to misconstrue the reweigh date again, including many on this list who should know better.


Ben Hom 


Re: Hauling Sand before Coverd Hoppers Became Popular

 

Los Angeles Junction Ry served two bottle makers. They each got 9 hoppers of silica sand & one of limestone per day that came from Santa Fe Ry (parent company). The sand came from near Oceanside & the limestone off the 1st District.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hmm.  I think a similarly-worded response would be “yes, it does.”  But I’ll refrain from the all caps.

 

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 9:01 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/2/rec/268 
Stencil says car repaired in November 1952."

NO, IT DOES NOT.  It indicated that the car was REWEIGHED in November 1952.  There might have been repairs to trigger reweighing, but meeting periodic requirements is just as likely.

 

That date remains one of the most misunderstood elements of freight car lettering, and many enthusiasts can't seem to get it right.

 

Ben Hom


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Claus,

 

I see three different cities on the first three boxes. We have also seen other older images over the years where crates are stenciled with a manufacturer name. Crates labeled Case and Essex come to mind. A 1923 image on the Historic Lackawanna collection also shows tarps stenciled with the Buick name.

If these loads are from the Kenosha area, the Winther Motor Company is another possible manufacturer. This article mentions a 500 auto shipment to Australia in 1917.
https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Article/CS381

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph W. Brown
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Hi Eric,

 

Can’t help wondering whether “B&W” has more do with the cargo’s destination than with the manufacturer, especially with “Auckland,” presumably New Zealand.

 

Just a thought.

 

Pax,

 

 

Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

 

From: Eric Hansmann

Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

While the photo caption notes AMC companies, the boxes are stenciled for B&W. What vehicle company was that? Determining this company should pin point a photo reference year.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Hi Bob and List Members,

 

I think the date on this has already been called into question by another list member.

 

I can see that the build date on the nearest flat is 4-99, which I take to be April 1899. It is a 35 ton car.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:38 PM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

Steve and Barb Hile
 

You are both right.  There is a small stencil just to the right of the reweigh date that says it was also repaired in 11-52.  The bearings were repacked at that same time and, obviously, the car has been recently painted.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:01 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/2/rec/268 
Stencil says car repaired in November 1952."

NO, IT DOES NOT.  It indicated that the car was REWEIGHED in November 1952.  There might have been repairs to trigger reweighing, but meeting periodic requirements is just as likely.

 

That date remains one of the most misunderstood elements of freight car lettering, and many enthusiasts can't seem to get it right.

 

Ben Hom


Re: Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

Norm Buckhart
 

Correct Ben - here’s the rule:


norm buckhart

On Jun 18, 2020, at 9:01 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Bob Chaparro wrote:
https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/2/rec/268 
Stencil says car repaired in November 1952."

NO, IT DOES NOT.  It indicated that the car was REWEIGHED in November 1952.  There might have been repairs to trigger reweighing, but meeting periodic requirements is just as likely.

That date remains one of the most misunderstood elements of freight car lettering, and many enthusiasts can't seem to get it right.


Ben Hom



Re: Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/2/rec/268 
Stencil says car repaired in November 1952."

NO, IT DOES NOT.  It indicated that the car was REWEIGHED in November 1952.  There might have been repairs to trigger reweighing, but meeting periodic requirements is just as likely.

That date remains one of the most misunderstood elements of freight car lettering, and many enthusiasts can't seem to get it right.


Ben Hom


Photo: Packing Shed At St. Elmo, Missouri, With Refrigerator Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Packing Shed At St. Elmo, Missouri, With Refrigerator Cars

This is a link to a 1902 photo from the Missouri State Digital Collections:

https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/Fruitful/id/83/rec/293

Use the Expand box in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarger it further. This is a very clear photo but it's a bit dark. The identities of the refrigerator cars cannot be determined.

Notice the advertisement on the car nearest to the camera. It is for Ruddock, Trench & Company, a Los Angeles and Riverside, CA, orange shipper. I found several crate labels for that company:

https://oac.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt5j49r28n/?brand=oac4

https://oac.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt4v19r0v4/?brand=oac4

https://witherells.com/lot/fruit-label-bouquet-brand-by-ruddock-trench-co-california-3958623

https://witherells.com/lot/fruit-label-snowball-brand-oranges-by-ruddock-trench-and-co-of-california-3958728

There is some evidence that the company's Riverside packing house was served by the Southern Pacific.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Photo: Tank Trailers On Flat Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Tank Trailers On Flat Cars

This is a link to a 1943 photo from the Missouri State Digital Collections:

https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/113/rec/722

Use the Expand box in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarger it further. This is a very clear photo.

Nice detail of the blocking and cables.

And here is an excellent Bruce Smith model, courtesy of the Prototype Railroad Topics blog:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--LkUqqXFyPs/XiGcRt1pWRI/AAAAAAAAC0Q/JyTY15gb_eEIVlpK0Ub8VtJsIQLoQQItgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/20200110-IMG_4704.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SLSF Hopper 90538

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SLSF Hopper 90538

This is a link to a 1948 photo from the Missouri State Digital Collections:

https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/91/rec/430

Use the Expand box in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarger it further. This is a very clear photo.

The build date for this car was 1948.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

This is a link to a 1952 photo from the Missouri State Digital Collections:

https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/2/rec/268

Use the Expand box in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarger it further. This is a very clear photo.

Description:

"Hopper car SF 91062 showing new style stenciling and monogram application. Photographed at North Springfield on November 10,1952 at request of Mr. Spangler."

The build date for this car was 1949.

Stencil says car repaired in November 1952.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SLSF Boxcar 17174

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SLSF Boxcar 17174

This is a link to a 1951 photo from the Missouri State Digital Collections:

https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/100/rec/84

Use the Expand box in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarger it further. This is a very clear photo.

The build date for this car was 1948.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SLSF Boxcar 32006

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SLSF Boxcar 32006

This is a link to a 1955 photo from the Missouri State Digital Collections:

https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/111/rec/82

Use the Expand box in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarger it further. This is a very clear photo.

Original build date for this outside braced car was 1930. Car appears to have metal sheathing.

Notice stencil: "For "AA" loading only. See Interior Stenciling".

Notice the lowered placard and tack boards. My notes indicate that in 1954  placard boards & route card/tack boards were lowered as a recommendation. In 1952 only route card/tack boards were lowered. The Car Construction Committee attempted lowering the placard boards as well, but needed approval from the Bureau of Explosives, which would not be granted until 1953. This was also agreed by the union for carmen and others affected.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Eric,
 
Can’t help wondering whether “B&W” has more do with the cargo’s destination than with the manufacturer, especially with “Auckland,” presumably New Zealand.
 
Just a thought.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
From: Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars
 

While the photo caption notes AMC companies, the boxes are stenciled for B&W. What vehicle company was that? Determining this company should pin point a photo reference year.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Hi Bob and List Members,

 

I think the date on this has already been called into question by another list member.

 

I can see that the build date on the nearest flat is 4-99, which I take to be April 1899. It is a 35 ton car.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io

To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:38 PM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Eric Hansmann
 

While the photo caption notes AMC companies, the boxes are stenciled for B&W. What vehicle company was that? Determining this company should pin point a photo reference year.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Hi Bob and List Members,

 

I think the date on this has already been called into question by another list member.

 

I can see that the build date on the nearest flat is 4-99, which I take to be April 1899. It is a 35 ton car.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:38 PM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


C&O Burro Crane Photos

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Today I'm sharing six photos of C&O Burro cranes. All these photos were taken in the 1980s or 1990s, most at Charlottesville, but two views are of the same crane at Gladstone (front and rear). I don't know for certain when these cranes were built, but I suspect that most date from the 1950s and so are within our timeframe. 

Strangely, I've never seen any bigger C&O cranes, though they certainly had some large machines. I would not be surprised if there is/was one stationed at Clifton Forge, and possibly another at Newport News or Richmond.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆 


Re: 2-56 tap drill (was Re: UMM Tools)

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Joe!

On 6/17/2020 10:20 AM, Joseph Melhorn wrote:

I’ve had good luck with drill bits and hand taps from Drills and Cutters: https://drillsandcutters.com/hand-taps/

Take a look at the HSS Hand Taps. The drill bits I buy from them are the Jobber Drills (Standard Length), Black Oxide, Surface Treated, Standard Point,  by Qualtech.

Joe Melhorn

Sahuarita, AZ



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Dubuque reefer paint schemes

Brian Carlson
 

How late into the 1950’s did the Dubuque scheme with the red elongated oval with A white “Dubuque” and “from the tall corn Country” slogan last. The car has a 1951 reweigh.

I assume this was the immediate predecessor to the billboard scheme.
Thanks.
Brian J. Carlson


Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Guy Wilber
 

Bruce,

Thank you.  I would hope the XAR’s come to fruition down the road.  Definitely looking forward to an upgrade from the Bowser models.

Regards, 

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

“That is correct. The Rapido double door cars are class X31A.  These are general service box cars with no automobile loaders and hence no tubes, fixtures or door markings. Note, that they can still be marked "AUTOMOBILES" as is one of the Rapido models. A number of these (X31A DD) cars were used in auto parts service. So, haul the completed product in X31 and X31C cars, haul the parts in X31A and X31B cars.”