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Re: Rapido single sheathed box cars

Tony Thompson
 

Relevant to the Canadian Pacific version of these cars, when did CP stop putting lines above the initials and below the number?

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Van Dorn "Target" boxcar ends

Dennis Storzek
 

We occasionally get questions here about these strange pattern steel ends, known to modelers as "bullseye" ends. Here is what appears to be the definitive history of this little known product. I missed this the first time around, it must have come while I was moving. Luckily the Illinois Railway Museum has most of the issues of their publication, Rail & Wire, on their web site, so I can share it with you. Go to https://www.irm.org/current-rail-wire-issues/ and click on Issue 254 Winter 2020. The article begins on page 30. Enjoy.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Rapido single sheathed box cars

Bruce Griffin
 

Chris,

Attached is a 1933 B&O RR Photo from the Greg Smith Collection of the roof of an M-24 boxcar that was being converted into either an M-24 a or b subclass "cement car" at Mt.Clare. It could be a new roof for this conversion or one that was replaced earlier in its life. This subclass was 287XXX (like the photo on the Rapido Instruction Sheet) and the M-24 were 187XXX. 

i posted a blog of my efforts to shift the color of the Rapido B&O model. https://bomodeling.com/2022/10/12/bo-m-24-usra-40-boxcar-achieving-a-color-shift-on-a-rapido-model/ As an FYI, the BORRHS is selling a special run of same era M-24 boxcars and has spoken to Rapido about the color and it appears they will send the BORRHS new carbodies with the corrected color in the future. It took a little more work than I was expected but I can live with my model and I think the result of my efforts are fairly accurate for 10 year old boxcar on my layout. 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Rapido single sheathed box cars

Bruce Griffin
 

Chris,

The Rapido model comes with brake parts for both AB and K brakes. Both my B&O and Milwaukee Road models were equipped with K brakes and the AB parts were in the box. My only roof photos of the M-24 class I have were from conversions to M-24a and b classes (cement cars) taken at Mt. Clare in 1933. They definitely show a different roof as Eric indicates. I think it was the Jan/Feb 2006 B&O Modeler that shows these photos as part of a Greg Smith article on modeling the a and b subclass variants. I will try to dig up copies of the photos and share. I also wrote a short blog post on shifting the color of the B&O colors that I will share when I post.
 

Bruce D. Griffin

Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


NdeM photo with American freight cars

nyc3001 .
 

Although the photo is from after the end date of this group, it seems like none of the photo's content is. 700 miles from the U.S. border, we can still see a radial-course GATC tank car, a longitudinal-course STC tank car (purchased secondhand by NdeM?), a postwar SP boxcar, and a B&O wagontop.
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/764785/

-Phil Lee


Re: Terminology...solved!!!

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

 

Thanks for the side trip into Railroad Terminolgy.

 

Turns out that the question was raised by a faulty memory on the part of the researcher…he remembered “magazine” when the reference was “journal”….and the theft was of journal brasses.

 

A silver lining, though, was to be reminded that the Car Builders Dictionary and Cyclopedias that are available online do have very comprehensive definitions for many, if not most, terms used in railroading.   The only reference I found to “magazine” there was a box for coal above the combustion chamber of a stove…presumably as used to heat a car…and it would be a stretch that someone wanted to steal an integral part of a cast iron potbelly stove!!!

 

Thanks,

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 3:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Terminology

 

Charlie/all,

  Magazine was a common term for a "large clip of ammo" such as the round 
ones that were used for Tommy Guns.
  Magazine was also used for "the place where you store ammunition".

  Both of these terms were in common use during WW-II ... and before? ...
and into the fifties.
                                                        - Jim who is back in the PNW


Re: Rapido single sheathed box cars

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks for the review John.  I haven't ordered any as I have several Westerfield and Tichy models to build.  I did order the tank cars however.


On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 4:03 PM golden1014 via groups.io <golden1014=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Chris,

I received my two cars this week--one Milwaukee and one C&NW. 

- First Impression: Very nice models, good paint color, good lettering, nice weight, very well built, nice detail all around.  A welcome addition to the fleet.

- Second Impression: I really don't like the spaces between the boards but I understand why the manufacturer did that.  The Tichy model is much better rendered.  Both my cars came with K brakes (with AB brake parts in a separate baggie--a nice touch).  However, I think both K and AB brake renderings are poor, and paint on the underframe is very heavy (obscuring what little detail is on the brake parts).  I'm replacing the brakes with Cal Scale.  The trucks: No.  Replacing with TMW Andrews.  Running board is alright but both of mine came a little bent out of shape.  Running board detail is poor.  Nothing a modeler can't fix.  

Bottom Line: Good models and I'm happy to have them, and I'll keep them, but a carefully-built Gould/Tichy car with TMW trucks beats this model hands down.

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL




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Re: CB&Q 36' Livestock Car Kit

Nelson Moyer
 

I attached some closeup photos before spraying flat finish for you can evaluate prototype fidelity. The side and end grab irons are etched as part of the niclel silver overlay, so as a result, they do not stand off from the sides 4 in. because the Z channels lack three dimentional depth. The roof overhang on the sides and ends is clearly shown, as is the end fascia overhang. The ladders suffer the same issue as the grab irons. The nickel silver overlay in my kit snagged the brass frets, distorting the ladders grab irons, and sill step. While I straightened them as best I could, it was impossible to restore them to their original condition. The side view shows the waviness from having to cut and glue the 3D printed frame to remove bowing. Heat treatments didn't work, as the frame assumed the bow when it cooled. The gap at the A end bolster is a result of heat distortion from repeated attempts to straighten the frame. Also note the misalignment of the Z-channel sawtooth and the bolsters. The bottom side ladder grab rions should be half-drop type.

Kit enhancements included Hy Tech details air hoses and Precision Scale air hose hangers in addition to the parts mentioned earlier.

I pieced together decals from four different scrap sheets from Sunshine and Speedwitch to get all of the lettering, as the decals supplied in my pilot kit are for the SM-16 and the model is the SM-18. The hearald letter board is slight short for third party decals. I measured the heralds on Sushine, Speedwitch, and Leadville Designs and the latter was smaller than the other two, which were identical.

 Nelson Moyer


Re: Pacific Fruit Express - Express Refrigerator Cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Fantastic photo. It makes me ask -- Is the lettering on those cars done in DAYLIGHT ORANGE ?
I think the Champ decals HB-340 is orange, and I always wondered about that.




On 10/13/2022 3:55 PM, Richard Wilkens wrote:

Another Dallas Gilbertson image of PFE 901, 902 and 903 at Santa Maria, CA in May 1953. Tom Dill Collection, Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive.

The PNRA is fortunate to have photo descriptions written by Dallas and for this one he states:

"PFE express reefers. The first three of fifty freight reefers converted to express reefer service with high-speed trucks and passenger train equipment. I’ve been told these cars were not altogether a success because they couldn’t take enough lading to entitle the shipper to a carload rate, which was based on the capacity of a fifty foot car."

Richard Wilkens

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Re: Pacific Fruit Express - Express Refrigerator Cars

Chris Barkan
 

That is a magnificent photo, the cars look splendid, thank you for posting it Richard!  This reminds me of a question I had about these cars sometime ago.  Did they mostly stay on the west coast or on SP lines anyway, or did they roam the national network?
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Rapido single sheathed box cars

Chris Barkan
 

Eric, so are you saying the car in this photo differs from the roof on the Rapido B&O model?  I recall discussing this topic last year when this model was first announced by Rapido.
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Terminology

Jim Betz
 

Charlie/all,

  Magazine was a common term for a "large clip of ammo" such as the round 
ones that were used for Tommy Guns.
  Magazine was also used for "the place where you store ammunition".

  Both of these terms were in common use during WW-II ... and before? ...
and into the fifties.
                                                        - Jim who is back in the PNW


Re: Terminology

A Clemens
 



Also igloo.


Al


On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 12:37 PM Doug Paasch <drpaasch@...> wrote:
Magazine also = a place where goods or supplies are stored:  Warehouse.  Obviously, they can't steal a warehouse but could steal FROM a warehouse.

Doug Paasch


On Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 9:57 AM Kevin Macomber <sales@...> wrote:
Ehh?  Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Kevin
NGMC

On 2022-10-13 10:51, Ken Adams wrote:
> Don't forget the slightly different vocabulary of English speaking
> Canadians...let alone the regional differences within the un-United
> States...
> --
> Ken Adams
> Covid Variants may come and go but I choose to still live mostly in
> splendid Shelter In Place solitude
> Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
> Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/message/196011
> [2] https://groups.io/mt/94296402/645454
> [3] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/post
> [4] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/editsub/645454
> [5]
> https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/leave/11334620/645454/765963421/xyzzy

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Re: Rapido single sheathed box cars

golden1014
 

Hi Chris,

I received my two cars this week--one Milwaukee and one C&NW. 

- First Impression: Very nice models, good paint color, good lettering, nice weight, very well built, nice detail all around.  A welcome addition to the fleet.

- Second Impression: I really don't like the spaces between the boards but I understand why the manufacturer did that.  The Tichy model is much better rendered.  Both my cars came with K brakes (with AB brake parts in a separate baggie--a nice touch).  However, I think both K and AB brake renderings are poor, and paint on the underframe is very heavy (obscuring what little detail is on the brake parts).  I'm replacing the brakes with Cal Scale.  The trucks: No.  Replacing with TMW Andrews.  Running board is alright but both of mine came a little bent out of shape.  Running board detail is poor.  Nothing a modeler can't fix.  

Bottom Line: Good models and I'm happy to have them, and I'll keep them, but a carefully-built Gould/Tichy car with TMW trucks beats this model hands down.

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL



Pacific Fruit Express - Express Refrigerator Cars

Richard Wilkens
 

Another Dallas Gilbertson image of PFE 901, 902 and 903 at Santa Maria, CA in May 1953. Tom Dill Collection, Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive.

The PNRA is fortunate to have photo descriptions written by Dallas and for this one he states:

"PFE express reefers. The first three of fifty freight reefers converted to express reefer service with high-speed trucks and passenger train equipment. I’ve been told these cars were not altogether a success because they couldn’t take enough lading to entitle the shipper to a carload rate, which was based on the capacity of a fifty foot car."

Richard Wilkens


Re: Terminology

Doug Paasch
 

Magazine also = a place where goods or supplies are stored:  Warehouse.  Obviously, they can't steal a warehouse but could steal FROM a warehouse.

Doug Paasch


On Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 9:57 AM Kevin Macomber <sales@...> wrote:
Ehh?  Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Kevin
NGMC

On 2022-10-13 10:51, Ken Adams wrote:
> Don't forget the slightly different vocabulary of English speaking
> Canadians...let alone the regional differences within the un-United
> States...
> --
> Ken Adams
> Covid Variants may come and go but I choose to still live mostly in
> splendid Shelter In Place solitude
> Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
> Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/message/196011
> [2] https://groups.io/mt/94296402/645454
> [3] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/post
> [4] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/editsub/645454
> [5]
> https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/leave/11334620/645454/765963421/xyzzy

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Kevin Macomber
NGMC
(717) 474-8399
www.narrowgaugemodeling.com






Photo: Delivering Poultry By Truck To Poultry Car (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Delivering Poultry By Truck To Poultry Car (Undated)

A photo from the National Archives:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/148742423

On the link scroll to enlarge the photo.

The car is LPTC 426 and carries the name “Columbus”.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Re: Terminology

Kevin Macomber
 

Ehh? Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Kevin
NGMC

On 2022-10-13 10:51, Ken Adams wrote:
Don't forget the slightly different vocabulary of English speaking
Canadians...let alone the regional differences within the un-United
States...
--
Ken Adams
Covid Variants may come and go but I choose to still live mostly in
splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Links:
------
[1] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/message/196011
[2] https://groups.io/mt/94296402/645454
[3] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/post
[4] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/editsub/645454
[5] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/leave/11334620/645454/765963421/xyzzy
--
Kevin Macomber
NGMC
(717) 474-8399
www.narrowgaugemodeling.com


Re: Terminology

Ken Adams
 

Don't forget the slightly different vocabulary of English speaking Canadians...let alone the regional differences within the un-United States...
--
Ken Adams
Covid Variants may come and go but I choose to still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Terminology

Philip Dove
 

What era is the original reference? Is it USA or Canada, do you know the ethnicity of the original person using the phrase. English is a constantly changing and diverse family of languages. 
I have looked in various slang dictionaries, English and American, a railway dictionary, and the Oxford English Dictionary. All l can come up with is that a magazine is some kind of storage device that automatically offers up the next one like a magazine on a pistol or slide projector. Or it can be a military store usually for ammunition and weapons or more rarely anything used by the military. Mag is short for magneto as found on a car. Mag is an obselete prefix for an operator of fraudulent gambling games. A Mags man is a safe breaker iirc. 

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