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Subject: (erielack) Steamtown Images-June 19, 2019--X Series (X7125-X7129)

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X7125--Hoboken, NJ--Men load unloading gravel from gondola near roundhouse, electric car shed under construction [1930.04.01]
X7126--Hoboken, NJ--Tug and barge loaded with cement hoppers [1930.04.01]
X7127--Hoboken, NJ--Tug and barge loaded with cement hoppers [1930.04.01]
X7128--Hoboken, NJ--Cement hoppers on barge [1930.04.01]
X7129--Hoboken, NJ--Cement hoppers on barge [1930.04.01]

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On June 18, 2019 at 9:23 AM Bob Webber <rgz17@...> wrote:

Thanks, Mark.   Actually, *most* of the 100 yo stuff is far easier to work with than the 50 yo stuff - the older stuff uses linen - the problem there is that the starch comes out. But it can be ironed.  Then there is the paper used during WW II - very fragile, and used (mostly) by Osgood Bradley (a lot of bus drawings are gone because of it).  Then we come to mylar - where the emulsion flakes off.  Give me linen - even floppy, post-mold linen - any day! 

We don't have issues with brittleness - save for the flat filed Osgood Bradley mentioned. These freight car drawings are now 115 years old - some of them are as clean & crisp as if they were done yesterday - beautiful piece of art. 

When I opened the tube, there were some very high contrast (non-faded) drawings of steel - deep steel - fish belly underframes.  Gorgeous stuff.  Looks like a battleship of the same era.  Lots of big rivets and bolts.

At 07:39 AM 6/18/2019, mark landgraf wrote:

Bob

It's so much fun to work with 100 year old paper.

I've found that high humidity helps temporarily get rid of the brittleness in old paper prints.

Steamtown uses a large steam box that they have. I have used a galvanized steel trash can with a few bricks in the bottom and about an inch of water in the bottom. Loosen up the rolled drawings, set them on the bricks, and place the cover on the can for a few days. Then unroll the damp drawings and place on a tabletop. In couple of hour they are ready for scanning.

At home, I've been known to hang them in the bathroom. After a couple of steamy showers, they are a lot easier to work with.

Mark

Bob Webber

On Jun 18, 2019, at 4:23 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Richard decorated his car for the CRP, a short lived tax evasion scheme
(a scheme immortalized in Paul Newman's "Young Philadelphians")

On 6/18/2019 3:34 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
Twenty plus years after the fact -- I had one of the Precision Scale gons and came up with a photo of it somewhere painted CNJ. There was a Herald King decal set suitable (suitable enough ? I no longer remember) but with all the discussions of 65' gons a few months back I realized I couldn't find whatever it was that prompted me to choose that prototype. Well, here it is, so thank you.

Incidentally, it turns out that the home-built MP 5100-5149 65' gons of 1948 are substantially the same car.

Ron Merrick

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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



<brass PSC-15474 crp_89065 65ft_gondola 22-rib RichardHendrickson.jpg>

Twenty plus years after the fact -- I had one of the Precision Scale gons and came up with a photo of it somewhere painted CNJ.  There was a Herald King decal set suitable (suitable enough ?  I no longer remember) but with all the discussions of 65' gons a few months back I realized I couldn't find whatever it was that prompted me to choose that prototype.  Well, here it is, so thank you.

Incidentally, it turns out that the home-built MP 5100-5149 65' gons of 1948 are substantially the same car.

Ron Merrick

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 8:48 PM, Bob Webber

<rgz17@...> wrote:

I scanned a few more tubes - these are a tad earlier - 1904 - 1919 (retracings after 1916).

I bring this up for a number of reasons.

The thread related to cars of 100,000 lbs capacity - of course, isn't germane in the sense that these are steel UF cars, but interesting for all that given the myriad cars of that or greater Cap.
The brake drawings are really interesting, and unlike some later ones, show the out line of cars
A lot of manufacturer & contractor cars
early ish examples of refrigerator & tanks
Several threads of photos & models vonerge in some of these drawings
(Perhaps not surprisingly) several orders for steel UF only

Interesting how "modern" these cars look, even with the very deep sills.  That they are steel (or steel UF) helps but still interesting.

Caveats:
VERY raw, haven't checked for typos
The data is, again, just what's on the drawings' Data Block & Order Info
RR marks are kept as is in most cases
Some of these drawings were kept in tubes in Montreal when a pipe burst, they have the consistency of a 50 yo dollar bill that's been through the wash every day since it was printed
(Will not have time in the next few days to clean up - when I do, it will be added to the web site version of the spread sheet)

Bob Webber

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From: anthony wagner

To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:40 AM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Montour twin hopper M 8014

Only 8 cars in this series remained on 1-1-50. I'd also guess that the trucks had been changed by then. Contrast that number of cars to the 1472 USRA cars in the 15000, 16000 and 17000 number series. Tony Wagner

On Monday, June 17, 2019, 7:15:49 PM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,

 

The Montour twin hopper M 8014 shown closest to the camera in the image linked below has a more-than-slight resemblance to a PRR class GLa hopper - especially the end construction. Does anyone else agree? Was this previously known regarding MONTOUR hoppers?

 

The reweigh date might be 1947, altho it is hard to tell. Note the car is rolling around on archbar trucks - this might be a little uncommon if the reweigh date really is 1947!

 

Is the car stencilled DISCO on the side? If so, does someone know what that indicates?

 

My Dec 1930 ORER does not show this car listed - does anyone know when this hopper was in service?

 

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/003447.jpg

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

On 17 Jun 2019, at 20:07, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Paul Doggett wrote:

I have just finished a Sunshine B&O M27F it is awaiting light weathering.

Very nice looking car, Paul. Great job.

Tony Thompson
tony@...

Paul,

Excellent model of a very unique prototype. Well done!

Dave Lawler

Avon Lake. Ohio

The January 1940 ORER shows a series 8000-8099, with a full 100 cars. The inside length is 30'5" and the outside length is 32'3", both characteristic of the Gla design. The 10'2" eaves height and 1732 cf capacity strongly suggest this series is ex-Clinchfield, which dispersed its Gla-type hoppers to a number of secondhand owners around this time. The series was down to 10 cars by 1945.

David Thompson