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Photo: CCC&St.L Boxcar S59397

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: CCC&St.L Boxcar S59397

Circa 1925 photo from the Erie Lackawanna Railfan website:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-19/X4117.jpg

This car was built in 1923.

Hopefully, we will see photos of the other cars in the background.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

mel perry
 

yep, but that traffic manager, better have
a good back up story
:-)
mel perry

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019, 10:26 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Perhaps all the way to Council Bluffs... but routings were under the strict control
of the SHIPPERS, not the railroads, when the tariffs offered alternative routes. A few
nights on the town for the Maytag traffic manager at railroads' expense and those box
cars could go just about anywhere. :-)




On 12/2/2019 8:40 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Maytag washers were made in Newton IA. The plant was served by the Rock Island. This train would most likely have been routed Rock Island to the UP at Omaha, or possibly Colorado Springs.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 1:23 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

 

Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

This is link to a 1935 publicity photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tj0x2j

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

Tim O'Connor
 


Perhaps all the way to Council Bluffs... but routings were under the strict control
of the SHIPPERS, not the railroads, when the tariffs offered alternative routes. A few
nights on the town for the Maytag traffic manager at railroads' expense and those box
cars could go just about anywhere. :-)




On 12/2/2019 8:40 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Maytag washers were made in Newton IA. The plant was served by the Rock Island. This train would most likely have been routed Rock Island to the UP at Omaha, or possibly Colorado Springs.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 1:23 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

 

Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

This is link to a 1935 publicity photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tj0x2j

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: IC 50 foot box car (was Photo: Bad Stencil Job)

Tim O'Connor
 


Of much greater interest to me is this IC 50 foot box car has a 6 foot door! :-)

Tim O'


On 12/2/2019 11:56 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Bad Stencil Job

This is link to a photo from in the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s64q9921

Notice the tilted placement of the reweigh stencil. This could be my cover should I again botch a reweigh decal job...always a possibility.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Want to Buy Broadway Limited Pennsylvania Salt #6123 tank car

Bill Welch
 
Edited

I know there are some dealers here and wondering if any of you have FOR SALE the Penn Salt tank car done by Broadway Limited #6123. This IS NOT the Blue & Yellow version. You can email me offline at fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com inserting @ for (at) of course

Thank you,
Bill Welch
Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

radiodial868
 

  • Meant to include the lineage of the plaster car photo in the original post but hit send just as I remembered.
  • Was hoping Fred Jansz was going to chime in and he didn't disappoint.
  • As for the old SN and the two WP lists, they shriveled up and died in Yahoo and .io worlds (I still belong to all versions). Everything moved over to Face Book and is very much alive there - very much a visual medium. That is what brought everyone out of the background. 
  • I keep watching for your old kits Andy, I alone could use 10 or more.
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA
Re: DL&W hopper & box cars from Nov 1925 on Steamtown site today

Eric Hansmann
 

This 1925 image illustrates an early application of an updated data presentation on all of these freight cars. The post-USRA data was often presented as such:

CAPACITY - covering two lines of figures for cubic feet and weight capacity
WT - which is the light weight

In early 1925, the ARA recommended removing the cubic capacity from the CAPACITY line to only present the car capacity in pounds. The WT stencil was altered to present as LIGHT WT, or LT WT. The LOAD LIMIT stencil was being considered about this time but wouldn't become an official recommendation for another year. These changes made all the data figures stenciled that area of the same units of measurement; pounds. The cubic feet data moved to the right side of the car with the dimensional info; IL, IH, etc. Some railroads began applying it early, as we see on these Lackawanna cars.

You will find builder photos of new cars from 1925 and 1926 the the earlier CAPACITY presentation, along with builder photos of cars with the updated preferences. IIRC, I have builder photos of two B&O freight cars. One built in late 1925 has the updated data presentation while another from early 1926 has the older data presentation applied. Here's a PDF illustrating two lettering guidelines of that period.

Note these cars all retain the hardware inventory listings on the right side of the car. This presentation would slowing fade from practice. 

Of course, a few railroads did their own thang (hello Northern Pacific!) until later in the 1930s. 

These are a few of the nuances to understand when modeling the mid-1920s. It really is fun! (Cue several eye rolls now....)


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On December 7, 2019 at 7:10 AM Brian Rochon <berochon@...> wrote:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-07-19/X4299.jpg


Brian Rochon
DL&W hopper & box cars from Nov 1925 on Steamtown site today

Brian Rochon
 

WP conversion

Paul Doggett
 

Hi guys

The Accurail conversion is ready for painting and decals for WP I have left the original roof as Tony Thompson reckons some got steel roofs at some stage. The kit bashing is not perfect as I reckon it’s slightly to high but will be a reasonable stand in.


Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

Paul Doggett
 

Hi Fred 

Thank you, I have found some decals that will do I am leaving the roof as Tony Thompson said some got metal roofs and the underframe has been modified with
 evergreen channel so it’s not a fishbelly the air reservoir has also been moved. When it’s painted I will post another photo I suspect it’s a bit to high but makes a reasonable stand in.

Paul 


On 7 Dec 2019, at 12:05, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Hi Paul,
if you become a member of my WP modelers group, you can address Bill Kennedy directly.
BTW: the picture used was scanned by me from the Ryczskowski WP book.
It was originally taken by Norman Holmes.
cheers,
Fred Jansz

Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

Fred Jansz
 

Hi Paul,
if you become a member of my WP modelers group, you can address Bill Kennedy directly.
BTW: the picture used was scanned by me from the Ryczskowski WP book.
It was originally taken by Norman Holmes.
cheers,
Fred Jansz
AT&SF 50-foot Whalebelly boxcar kits

Eric Hansmann
 

Resin Car Works has HO scale Santa Fe 50-foot Whalebelly boxcar kits available now! Details about this latest release, the remaining Soo boxcar kits, and an upcoming kit release are in our latest blog post.


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy
Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Andy,

I tried to order these castings from you. You had already decided to end production and sent my check back. I later managed to pick up both sets of castings on the used market. Someday I will get around to building them. They're at the top of my list, but other non-railroad projects and my O-scale interests are in the way.

You are correct about both the moribund WP and SN web groups. From being quite active a few years ago, they are now virtual dead zones. Both groups are still open on Yahoo, though the list owners also migrated them to Groups IO. I may be the only person who has posted to either at the new location, and got no replies. Or maybe I'm somehow blocked; some servers don't play well with CenturyLink/Embarq, but I'm not getting anything via my gmail account either. (Sigh!)

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 10:52 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
I offered HO WP 40' SS resin box car kits 20+ years ago and I was selling as many as I received orders for. I doubt that I sold more that 30 kits. I even sold far fewer of the 40' stock cars which the WP made in 1937 from donor 40' box cars. I have found that WP modelers were very unsupportive  back then and I would not be surprised to see that things have changed this last 2 decades.

However, I have found that the GN folks were pretty positive and I appreciated their support. Before I dump more on the WP crowd, I remind myself that they are not very large in numbers. The WP modelers io site often gets less than 12 postings per month. Yet the few modelers have some very proven talent.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, December 6, 2019, 7:01:07 PM PST, radiodial868 <radiodial@...> wrote:


We've discussed the Single Sheath boxcars over on the WP Modelers FB site a couple of times. Bill Kennedy has decals that cover the 26000 series with the proper medallion. Here is an image of the cars in Plaster service that covers the roof a little better (but not perfectly). I keep playing with doing the Accurail conversion, but the more details I find out about the prototype, the more I keep going back to Sketch-up and playing with making parts to make a pattern master for Andrew Dahm to cast. It's doable - if I could just get the time. Such a common lament...
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA
Re: Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

mel perry
 

regretfully, as previously stated, by MM
collection was recycled, however i
remember hundman had included
original drawimgs of the roof and
its components, hopefully someone
on this list had a MM collection snd
remrmbers this article
mel perry

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019, 3:07 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Mel,

O.K., but the top edge of the upper wale right above the end lettering does not register well in the photo, giving the impression that the wale is continuous onto the flat section below the roof fascia. So this is a optional delusion.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 3:59 PM mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
i'm looking at.the pic, and i'm not seeing
what you are, the upper panel, is an
"outie", look at the corners, where the
short indents are, they are on the same
plane as the main ribs
mel perry

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019, 10:05 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Bob and Friends,

No idea who built SLG&W 108, but the car is rather unusual. The upper end panel is a reverse/indented/innie/whatever stamping, while the lower panel is a typical Dreadnaught "outie". I've never seen a mix like this before, but it might give us an idea of from where the car came. There can't have been too many cars built or rebuilt like this.

The car is obviously not in interchange service, since dimensional lettering is lacking on the right end of the car side.  My October 1958 ORER says the SLG&W owned three boxcars, two tank cars, one flat car, and seven passenger cars, with the added note, "Freight cars owned are not employed in commercial service."

Here's the Wikipedia article on the SLG&W: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake,_Garfield_and_Western_Railway . Interesting that boxcar 100 had been used to haul hides, and survives on the Heber Valley Railroad (the Heber Valley RR web site does not list any freight cars). Perhaps that was how the other boxcars were used as well, but that's "commerical service", even if restricted.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:40 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Three photos of the same boxcar from the Lakes States Archives:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-fgKGH6F/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-5bXDpNN/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-DHcTBSC/A

Does anyone know who the car builder was?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Mel,

O.K., but the top edge of the upper wale right above the end lettering does not register well in the photo, giving the impression that the wale is continuous onto the flat section below the roof fascia. So this is a optional delusion.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 3:59 PM mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
i'm looking at.the pic, and i'm not seeing
what you are, the upper panel, is an
"outie", look at the corners, where the
short indents are, they are on the same
plane as the main ribs
mel perry

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019, 10:05 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Bob and Friends,

No idea who built SLG&W 108, but the car is rather unusual. The upper end panel is a reverse/indented/innie/whatever stamping, while the lower panel is a typical Dreadnaught "outie". I've never seen a mix like this before, but it might give us an idea of from where the car came. There can't have been too many cars built or rebuilt like this.

The car is obviously not in interchange service, since dimensional lettering is lacking on the right end of the car side.  My October 1958 ORER says the SLG&W owned three boxcars, two tank cars, one flat car, and seven passenger cars, with the added note, "Freight cars owned are not employed in commercial service."

Here's the Wikipedia article on the SLG&W: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake,_Garfield_and_Western_Railway . Interesting that boxcar 100 had been used to haul hides, and survives on the Heber Valley Railroad (the Heber Valley RR web site does not list any freight cars). Perhaps that was how the other boxcars were used as well, but that's "commerical service", even if restricted.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:40 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Three photos of the same boxcar from the Lakes States Archives:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-fgKGH6F/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-5bXDpNN/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-DHcTBSC/A

Does anyone know who the car builder was?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

Scott H. Haycock
 



On December 6, 2019 at 8:52 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


" The WP modelers io site often gets less than 12 postings per month. Yet the few modelers have some very proven talent.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA" 

Can anyone provide a link to the io site Andy is referring to?

Scott Haycock 

Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

Paul Doggett
 

Hi RJ 

Who is Bill Kennedy ? Thank you for the photo and the information.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 7 Dec 2019, at 03:01, radiodial868 <radiodial@...> wrote:

We've discussed the Single Sheath boxcars over on the WP Modelers FB site a couple of times. Bill Kennedy has decals that cover the 26000 series with the proper medallion. Here is an image of the cars in Plaster service that covers the roof a little better (but not perfectly). I keep playing with doing the Accurail conversion, but the more details I find out about the prototype, the more I keep going back to Sketch-up and playing with making parts to make a pattern master for Andrew Dahm to cast. It's doable - if I could just get the time. Such a common lament...
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA
<26123-SS-Plaster.jpg>
Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

Fred Jansz
 
Edited

HI Andy,

i don't know which WP group you are referring to, but my Western Pacific Modelers Group on Facebook currently has 922 enthusiastic members of which the talented Mr. RJ -who replied to your message- is a very active and talented one.
There are frequently several posts per day: questions, tips & hints, pictures, videos, scratchbuilding projects, club activities, purchases and items for sale.
It's THE bees hive of WP modeling.

I'm since 2012 one of the initiators of the 'new' Pullman WP 15001 cars project and tried to get the cars produced in brass and approached several resin builders.
Brass was a bridge too far (and too expensive) and none of the resin builders were interested up to this date.
One of the group's members sat down and tried to make plans in sketchup, but as far as I know he did not succeed.
I now read RJ plans to do the same.

FYI: a few years back I held a poll in the WP group (which was a lot smaller then) and the result was that there was a potential for 50-60 cars; box and stock.
The original15001-series of cars were almost gone by 1948 (most rebuilt, renumbered), but some lived as long as WP itself into the 1980's.

Of course there were the famous renumbered 26001-series of plaster cars with either 2 or 4 roof hatches and specific lettering (text on door sorted out by YT and decals made by Bill Kennedy).
Plus there were the stockcars, the MOW cars and of course the many OB cabooses derived from those Pullman built 15001-series of cars.
So many opportunities!
Trucks could be the Andrews type by Accurail, which might be a fraction too long, but resemble the WP trucks at best IMHO.

Last but not least: I have copies of the original Pullman drawings for you to use, in case you'd want to adapt your original master to 2020.
(the Mainline drawings show a faulty roof).
Hope these cars will see a rerun, I'd be good for 5 boxes and 5 stocks.

regards,
Fred Jansz
WP Modelers Group

BTW: the specific Pullman-WP 15001 series roof saddles would be a challenge to model!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/WesternPacificModelersGroup/
Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

Andy Carlson
 

I offered HO WP 40' SS resin box car kits 20+ years ago and I was selling as many as I received orders for. I doubt that I sold more that 30 kits. I even sold far fewer of the 40' stock cars which the WP made in 1937 from donor 40' box cars. I have found that WP modelers were very unsupportive  back then and I would not be surprised to see that things have changed this last 2 decades.

However, I have found that the GN folks were pretty positive and I appreciated their support. Before I dump more on the WP crowd, I remind myself that they are not very large in numbers. The WP modelers io site often gets less than 12 postings per month. Yet the few modelers have some very proven talent.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, December 6, 2019, 7:01:07 PM PST, radiodial868 <radiodial@...> wrote:


We've discussed the Single Sheath boxcars over on the WP Modelers FB site a couple of times. Bill Kennedy has decals that cover the 26000 series with the proper medallion. Here is an image of the cars in Plaster service that covers the roof a little better (but not perfectly). I keep playing with doing the Accurail conversion, but the more details I find out about the prototype, the more I keep going back to Sketch-up and playing with making parts to make a pattern master for Andrew Dahm to cast. It's doable - if I could just get the time. Such a common lament...
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA
Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

radiodial868
 

We've discussed the Single Sheath boxcars over on the WP Modelers FB site a couple of times. Bill Kennedy has decals that cover the 26000 series with the proper medallion. Here is an image of the cars in Plaster service that covers the roof a little better (but not perfectly). I keep playing with doing the Accurail conversion, but the more details I find out about the prototype, the more I keep going back to Sketch-up and playing with making parts to make a pattern master for Andrew Dahm to cast. It's doable - if I could just get the time. Such a common lament...
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA
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