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Re: some type of milk car?

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    Not sure what cars Bill Daniels is refering to as identical to these as I do not recall photos of any silk cars having ice hatches.
In addition I do not recall any silk cars being owned by any eastern railroads. From what is seen I concur with Mike that these are in fact milk cars for milk shipped in cans. I wonder why they had ice hatches, however, since milk in cans was top iced with the ice being shoveled amongst the cans. Note, too, the end doors, which I'll bet disappeared in the first resheathing of the ends. The bottom of the doors appears to be just about the height of the top of standard 40 qt. milk cans carried in a single layer. Most can cars had racks attached to the interior side walls with short pieces of chain that could be swung down over the bottom layer of cans to provide a stable foundation for a second layer. With the exception of the ice hatches and the end doors these car are very similar to DL&W milk cars used for can shipment in the post war years,six of which were sold to the Rutland in early 1954 becoming Rutland #350 - #355, all of which were sold in the late spring of 1961. #350 was ex-DL&W #1667 and #351 was
ex-DL&W #1654. I do not have the DL&W numbers for the other four cars. All of these were stated to have been constructed in
1925 in the Rutland Car Accountant's record book but the builder was not identified. Rail Works offered brass models of at least'
very similar DL&W cars in brass in both DL&W and Rutland versions.

Cordially, Don Valentine - a former can shipper before going to a bulk tank.
Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Roof Name help

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

Here are both types. Yes, indeed, the center embossing on the 1925 design runs short of the edge.

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 9:05 PM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Roof Name help

I checked the drawings ( I was using) in the August 2001 Model Railroader drawn by Harold W. Russell where the center rib stamping looks to be to the roof edge, maybe an inch off; however, in the 1922 Car Builders as Dave Parker wrote the center rib stamping is a few inches short of the roof edge.
Lester Breuer
Etched freight car ladders

Eric Hansmann
 

Plano Model Products is introducing etched metal freight car ladders to their extensive line of details. We take an early look at the product in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/more-etched-ladders/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy
Re: Roof Name help

Bill Welch
 

Indeed Tom yes the classic and in its time the ubiquitous Hutchins roof.

Bill Welch
Re: Roof Name help

Tom Madden
 

Is this the roof we're talking about? Taken at the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, CA over 20 years ago.

Tom Madden
Re: B&O C-16 Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Bruce. How widely did the B&O C-16 cars roam? Were they ever sent to the West Coast, e.g. interchanged in Chicago to the CB&Q or other Midwestern roads with West Coast connections?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Griffin
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O C-16 Question

 

Nelson,

FWIW I can confirm a C-16 was an express car for passenger service and they were coach olive green until early 1947 and then repaints were BandO blue (no gold stripe like other express car classes). 125 M-53 boxcars car were converted to this service in the early 40s. And by 1949 only 25 C-16 were on the roster and only five were blue. Car numbers after 1949 were 1875 to 1899. By 1959, all were converted back to M-53 boxcars. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD.
Re: B&O C-16 Question

Bruce Griffin
 

Nelson,

FWIW I can confirm a C-16 was an express car for passenger service and they were coach olive green until early 1947 and then repaints were BandO blue (no gold stripe like other express car classes). 125 M-53 boxcars car were converted to this service in the early 40s. And by 1949 only 25 C-16 were on the roster and only five were blue. Car numbers after 1949 were 1875 to 1899. By 1959, all were converted back to M-53 boxcars. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD.
Re: Roof Name help

Lester Breuer
 

I checked the drawings ( I was using) in the August 2001 Model Railroader drawn by Harold W. Russell where the center rib stamping looks to be to the roof edge, maybe an inch off; however, in the 1922 Car Builders as Dave Parker wrote the center rib stamping is a few inches  short of the roof edge.
Lester Breuer
Re: Roof Name help

Bill Welch
 

The Yarmouth roof lacks the "V" shaped stamping at the end of the roof ribs plus the stamping in the middle of the panel extends to the edge of the roof. I think this incorrect. The "V" shape can be carved and filed into the rib. Dick Bale's article in Dec. 2016 MRH has a good illustration of the Hutchins Roof

Bill Welch
Re: Roof Name help

Kemal Mumcu
 

http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/ModelDetailParts/FreightCarParts#roofs

The Sylvan line went to Yarmouth model works. Only 8 bucks and available today.

Colin Meikle
Re: Roof Name help

Bill Welch
 
Edited

I may at best the poorest person with a saw in this group and even I can saw the roof from the Accurail 8-panel car and that is before the razerblade saw became available.

Bill Welch
Re: B&O C-16 Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Chuck. Your explanation sounds right, and since it’s a pass-through, the receptacle would be on both ends for cars so equipped.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 4:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O C-16 Question

 

Nelson,

I'm not an expert on the C-16, but I believe that was a passenger equipped

 express car.  Thus, it would be reasonable to expect it to be equipped with

 pass-through electric in case it was between two electrified cars, one of which

needed to be train-lined. 

The train-lining connector plugs were in the vestibule overhead so the cables

could pass through the diaphragm above head height. 

While I would not expect to find an express box between occupied passenger

 cars, it would be possible that a messenger-baggage, RPO, or some such might

 be coupled ahead. 

Chuck Peck 

 

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 12:17 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I’m building the Sunshine C-16, and I’d like to learn about the box in the upper center of the A end shown in the attached photo. It appears that it’s got an electrical conduit through the end, so it may be either a power receptacle or marker light attachment. The kit instructions make no mention of this fixture, and there is no part resembling the fixture in the kit. Were these fixtures on both ends of the car? I don’t have any other C-16 photos showing the ends. What was the purpose of this fixture?

 

Nelson Moyer
Re: B&O C-16 Question

Charles Peck
 

Nelson,
I'm not an expert on the C-16, but I believe that was a passenger equipped
 express car.  Thus, it would be reasonable to expect it to be equipped with
 pass-through electric in case it was between two electrified cars, one of which
needed to be train-lined. 
The train-lining connector plugs were in the vestibule overhead so the cables
could pass through the diaphragm above head height. 
While I would not expect to find an express box between occupied passenger
 cars, it would be possible that a messenger-baggage, RPO, or some such might
 be coupled ahead. 
Chuck Peck 

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 12:17 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I’m building the Sunshine C-16, and I’d like to learn about the box in the upper center of the A end shown in the attached photo. It appears that it’s got an electrical conduit through the end, so it may be either a power receptacle or marker light attachment. The kit instructions make no mention of this fixture, and there is no part resembling the fixture in the kit. Were these fixtures on both ends of the car? I don’t have any other C-16 photos showing the ends. What was the purpose of this fixture?

 

Nelson Moyer
Re: Roof Name help

Dave Parker
 

I agree with Bill.  The drawings in the 1922 Cyc show the "riblets" stopping a few inches short of the eave.

Lester, your photo made me run downstairs and check my stash of unbuilt F&C kits.  It's not a large sample, but the only two kits with that "un-Hutchins" roof are the two CV auto cars (2- and 1.5-door versions).  Everything else has a very Hutchins DL look to iy, although one might complain that the details are a bit over-done, including the riblets.

My favorite rendition of the Hutchins is the Sylvan resin part, which seems simpler than carving up an Accurail body.  Alas, it is too long and with incorrect seam-cap spacing to fix the problem with the CV auto cars.  Perhaps ironically, the closest match to the needed roof that I have on hand is the F&C kit for the CV's 7000-series SS boxcars built a few years before the auto cars.  It's not perfect, but quite close, and I may try casting copies of it for the two auto cars.

Thanks for sharing; it was an important heads-up for me given the significance of the CV to my interests.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA
Re: Roof Name help

Bill Welch
 

Good start Lester. Are you sure the rib stamping in the middle of each panel extended to the edge?

Bill Welch
Re: Roof Name help

Lester Breuer
 

Bill I agree.  I thought about the Acccurail roof; however, changed my mind.  This afternoon,  I installed the kit roof and scribed grooves between the roof ribs and in the grooves installed Plastruct .010” styrene round rod.  I have attached a photo of the result.
Lester Breuer
Re: Roof Name help

Bill Welch
 

Well actually it is what Steve thinks is a Hutchins roof. If you have an Accurail model w/their excellent Hutchins roof, it can be used to help detail the F&C roof: "V" like crimps on the very ends of the roof ribs; .010 styrene rod used to mimic the intermediate crimp in the roof panels; and an NBW towards the end of each roof rib. Or buy an Undec Accurail body—they are inexpensive—and cut the roof off. I have done that a few times too.

Bill Welch
Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Eric Hansmann
 

Indeed, that is an Illinois Central 50-foot automobile boxcar. I don’t know why it lacks doors. CB&Q is to the right and a partial UP car finishes the 50-foot cars.

The weathering variations on the cars in this image is also very interesting. 

Just a couple cars to the left of the IC boxcar is a BR&P boxcar. This, and a companion negative with another BR&P boxcar, are two of the only late 1920s images I’ve seen featuring a BR&P car. IIRC, the Van Sweringens owned the BR&P at this time. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
Re: All-Beer Train

Jeff
 

One local layout owner, who's layout is a geographically oriented freelance set in 1952, has a Shay locomotive set off to the side with an 85-ft double-plug-door high-cube boxcar attached that will be assigned to anyone complaining about anachronisms. 

Here's your throttle.

(with apologies to Bill Engvall) 

I bet such a colorful train gets quite a bit of attention from the passerbys. 

First you hook 'em (on model railroading) and then you reel' em in (to more prototypical modeling). 

Jeff Shultz


On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:53 Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:
Friends,

Just back from the Shenandoah Valley Model Train Show in Virginia. On one of the modular layouts a 'vested interest" was running a train of 77 billboard beer refrigerators, all different, and steam-era (mandatory content), though many were decorated for modern craft beers. I rate this somewhere near plastic lawn flamingos on the taste scale. Is there any way we can have this guy locked up?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
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