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Re: Seaboard AF-4 finished

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

How lucky you are Charlie!  WhenI do that correction requres a jack hammer and a pack of sandpaper.

Bill Pardie




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From: "Charlie Duckworth via groups.io" <Worth51@...>
Date: 10/4/22 12:53 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seaboard AF-4 finished

Dave
Being a Mopac modeler I missed the obvious and Tom Christensen alerted me to my mistake. In 1948 the Seaboard logo was changed from Railway to Railroad. I had a 50/50 change of picking the right logo as I wasn’t paying attention closely to the prototype photos.  Anyway I put Tamiya tape over the decal, smoothed it down with my finger nail and pulled it up.  Replaced with the correct logo.  Will gloss over it and Dullcote. 


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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Rapido USRA Wabash boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 03:40 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
A good 1940's view of the Wabash USRA DS car from the LIFE collection. This one has KC brakes.

On 10/4/2022 4:06 PM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:
Dennis
Thanks for the clarification; USRA builder’s photo of a ATSF car shows the fascia board wasn’t applied but the Wabash cars built by Lenoir in 1929 did have it.  I think I’ll add a piece of Evergreen to my Wabash car as it just looks odd without it  
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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Note to Charlie:
The 'starter strip' that the roof sheets hook onto bends over the corner and shows as a second line on the fascia. This isn't very thick, .002" or so in HO, but it is galvanized metal rather than wood.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Seaboard AF-4 finished

Tim O'Connor
 


That's a neat trick ! I have never done that.

On 10/4/2022 6:53 PM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:

Dave
Being a Mopac modeler I missed the obvious and Tom Christensen alerted me to my mistake. In 1948 the Seaboard logo was changed from Railway to Railroad. I had a 50/50 change of picking the right logo as I wasn’t paying attention closely to the prototype photos.  Anyway I put Tamiya tape over the decal, smoothed it down with my finger nail and pulled it up.  Replaced with the correct logo.  Will gloss over it and Dullcote. 


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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Seaboard AF-4 finished

Charlie Duckworth
 

Dave
Being a Mopac modeler I missed the obvious and Tom Christensen alerted me to my mistake. In 1948 the Seaboard logo was changed from Railway to Railroad. I had a 50/50 change of picking the right logo as I wasn’t paying attention closely to the prototype photos.  Anyway I put Tamiya tape over the decal, smoothed it down with my finger nail and pulled it up.  Replaced with the correct logo.  Will gloss over it and Dullcote. 


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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Seaboard AF-4 finished

Dave Boss
 

Chuck
             Thanks for the info on your car. It's a model that I would like to some day build.
Dave



On October 4, 2022, at 1:23 PM, "Brian Carlson via groups.io" <prrk41361@...> wrote:


The Tangent cars have the end door though so that’s problematic.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Oct 4, 2022, at 12:53 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Tangent makes a 1948 PS-1 car body with a 14 foot door opening now. This is for a rebuild of the
6 foot door PS-1 so the prototype did just what Charlie did to the Kadee model.

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/product/undec-kit-union-pacific-body-40-ps-1-combination-door-boxcar/



On 10/4/2022 5:14 AM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:
Dave
Yes, Kadee only makes the 1948 carbody in the 6’ RTR version.  I had to remove the door tracks and replace with Evergreen styrene and Archer rivets. 
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Charlie Duckworth 

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Rapido USRA Wabash boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


A good 1940's view of the Wabash USRA DS car from the LIFE collection. This one has KC brakes.

Westerfield had 'modernized' USRA DS models -- I think one was Wabash. How were these different from the
original cars other than the AB brakes ?


On 10/4/2022 4:06 PM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:

Dennis
Thanks for the clarification; USRA builder’s photo of a ATSF car shows the fascia board wasn’t applied but the Wabash cars built by Lenoir in 1929 did have it.  I think I’ll add a piece of Evergreen to my Wabash car as it just looks odd without it  
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

Attachments:



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rapido USRA Wabash boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 03:06 PM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
Thanks for the clarification; USRA builder’s photo of a ATSF car shows the fascia board wasn’t applied but the Wabash cars built by Lenoir in 1919 did have it.
Charlie,
Since the Wabash car in the photo has AB brakes, the photo dates to at least the WWII era, so it is possible that the fascia was added, either when the car was re-roofed, or the first time the siding needed renewal. Since more people model WWII than the 'Great War' era, I chose to include it, but there are certainly enough early photos that show it lacking.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Rapido USRA Wabash boxcar

Charlie Duckworth
 

Sorry wrong photo here’s the USRA car 

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Rapido USRA Wabash boxcar

Charlie Duckworth
 
Edited

Dennis
Thanks for the clarification; USRA builder’s photo of a ATSF car shows the fascia board wasn’t applied but the Wabash cars built by Lenoir in 1919 did have it.  I think I’ll add a piece of Evergreen to my Wabash car as it just looks odd without it  
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Rapido X-3 Tank cars

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks Steve:

You give us another fantastic model to look forward to.

Billo Pardie



On Oct 4, 2022, at 7:57 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

I was fortunate to be at IRM yesterday for Rapido’s event.  Bill Schneider had several early production units of the X-3 tank cars that I got a chance to actually touch.  They look very nice.  Between dim interior and overly bright sunshine outdoors, my pictures leave a lot to be desired, but a couple are attached to give a taste of what to expect.  They have certainly made a good attempt at conical tank rivets, especially on and around the dome.
 
Enjoy,
Steve Hile
<Rapido X-3 AB version.JPG><Rapido X-3 B end view.JPG><Rapido X-3 K brake version.JPG>


Re: Railway Valuation [Was: Northern Pacific Boxcar Upgrades]

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Oct 3, 2022, at 11:56, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

[...]

Among the sources which provide a clear description of the background of the legislation, the details of what it required, and the consequences, is _Principles of Railway Transportation_ by Eliot Jones (Macmillan, 1924), but there are several others.
Google Books! Downloaded it today.
--
The thong is ended but the malady lingers on


Re: Rapido USRA Wabash boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 09:35 AM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
I noticed that Rapido failed to have the top horizontal board added to the DS sides when I was doing the side weathering.  They should (hopefully) have had a couple SME vet their USRA SS model and the upcoming SP SS boxcar to avoid these errors.   Accurail’s USRA DS is just as good after replacing the molded on handholds with wire ones. 
Published builders photos of the USRA DS cars show they were built without a fascia; the 'starter strip' that the roof panels hook on was nailed directly to the car siding. I found that later photos, however, show the cars having a fascia. I've never been able to determine if this was a design change during production or something changed later by the owning roads.

Dennis Storzek


Rapido X-3 Tank cars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I was fortunate to be at IRM yesterday for Rapido’s event.  Bill Schneider had several early production units of the X-3 tank cars that I got a chance to actually touch.  They look very nice.  Between dim interior and overly bright sunshine outdoors, my pictures leave a lot to be desired, but a couple are attached to give a taste of what to expect.  They have certainly made a good attempt at conical tank rivets, especially on and around the dome.

 

Enjoy,

Steve Hile


Re: Railway Valuation [Was: Northern Pacific Boxcar Upgrades]

Rufus Cone
 

David S. Burnett,

just to add to the conversation, a really good book to read on this subject is entitled "The Best Transportation System in the World" by by Mark H. Rose  (Author), Bruce E. Seely (Author), Paul F. Barrett.

Hope this helps,
DSB.
Publisher has a free download, Issue Date 2006:

https://kb.osu.edu/handle/1811/24076

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Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT


Re: Seaboard AF-4 finished

Brian Carlson
 

The Tangent cars have the end door though so that’s problematic.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Oct 4, 2022, at 12:53 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Tangent makes a 1948 PS-1 car body with a 14 foot door opening now. This is for a rebuild of the
6 foot door PS-1 so the prototype did just what Charlie did to the Kadee model.

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/product/undec-kit-union-pacific-body-40-ps-1-combination-door-boxcar/



On 10/4/2022 5:14 AM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:
Dave
Yes, Kadee only makes the 1948 carbody in the 6’ RTR version.  I had to remove the door tracks and replace with Evergreen styrene and Archer rivets. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Railway Valuation [Was: Northern Pacific Boxcar Upgrades]

David Burnett
 

David S. Burnett,

just to add to the conversation, a really good book to read on this subject is entitled "The Best Transportation System in the World" by by Mark H. Rose  (Author), Bruce E. Seely (Author), Paul F. Barrett.

Hope this helps,
DSB.

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 11:56:44 AM PDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Ray Breyer wrote:

You're thinking of the Transportation Act of 1920. The ICC Val predates that, and was an offshoot of antitrust legislation from the turn of the century.  

No, the Valuation Act of 1913 was intended to furnish the ICC with a basis “to test the reasonableness of railway rates” by determining the capital value of each railroad. A number of states, including California, had already begun to require valuation of railroads within their borders, primarily because the federal government had failed to act. The 1913 Act was the eventual result.
Among the sources which provide a clear description of the background of the legislation, the details of what it required, and the consequences, is _Principles of Railway Transportation_ by Eliot Jones (Macmillan, 1924), but there are several others.

Tony Thompson





Re: Photo: Log Load (1942)

Tim O'Connor
 


thanks Craig

On 10/4/2022 12:16 PM, Craig Wilson wrote:

Color photos show them painted black.
Craig Wilson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Seaboard AF-4 finished

Tim O'Connor
 


Tangent makes a 1948 PS-1 car body with a 14 foot door opening now. This is for a rebuild of the
6 foot door PS-1 so the prototype did just what Charlie did to the Kadee model.

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/product/undec-kit-union-pacific-body-40-ps-1-combination-door-boxcar/



On 10/4/2022 5:14 AM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:

Dave
Yes, Kadee only makes the 1948 carbody in the 6’ RTR version.  I had to remove the door tracks and replace with Evergreen styrene and Archer rivets. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rapido USRA Wabash boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


excellent, and outstanding work on that roof !

On 10/3/2022 8:58 PM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:

I wanted this RTR car to look before the railroad rebuilt them into all steel cars.  Side boards picked out with various pencils and roof painted with oils.  


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Seaboard AF-4 finished

T.J. Stratton
 

Thanks! The plot thickens!

TJ

TJ Stratton Maumee, OH. "Modeling the 1950's branch lines of the New York Central Railroad  in Lenawee County, Michigan" Mailto:michigancentralrr@...


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 10:28 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seaboard AF-4 finished
 
Correction:
Ed Hawkins reminded me Kadee also made a 1948-49 carbody with a 7’ door decorated as New Haven 3 years ago and has since been out of production.  Obviously the 6’ version was easier to locate for my Seaboard conversion. 
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.