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Re: Photo: Loading Tank Cars (Circa 1919)

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

I think that you might have meant that some of the cars lacked dome platforms on the side pictured. They all appear to have running boards.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Photo: Many Sinclair Tank Cars (Circa 1917-1918)

Bill Parks
 

Mike - 

Thanks for the info.  That certainly makes sense.

--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Northern Pacific Boxcar Upgrades 1925

Hudson Leighton
 

What would a "grain tight sheathing angle" be?

-Hudson


Re: Northern Pacific Boxcar Upgrades 1925

Robert kirkham
 

I’m not sure how to answer that question Tim.  (no one made the youtube video, lol).  However, it was done to thousands of cars in the late teens and 1920s on the CPR alone (and i’m sure on a lot of other RRs).  Almost all the cars rebuilt in this fashion that i’ve crawled under appear to also incorporate steel Z section cross pieces (not sure what to call them) to support the queen posts, with truss rods remaining in place with the steel centre sill after rebuilding.   The photo of the underframe on CP 52850 (almost no remaining paint) shows this.   To me that indicates that a lot of the structure was unchanged when the steel c-sills replaced the wood.  

A number of rebuilt car series on the CPR remained with wood sheathed ends (and a pair of steel posts up the exterior of the ends for support (see the 3/4 view of 52850 (almost no remaining paint))   Many other rebuilt CPR cars received steel ends (Murphy corrugated and Murphy dreadnaught on the CPR).  In some of those situations, such as the 3/4 angle view of  CP 197424 attached (well painted but unusual colour), the ends are this unusual combination of Murphy corrugated and a great big old wood end sill.

Rob

On Oct 1, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Rebuilt with steel center sills to replace wooden center sills, wow ! Is that easier than it sounds ?

On 10/1/2022 4:04 PM, Hudson Leighton wrote:
Northern Pacific Boxcar Upgrades 1925

-Hudson

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Northern Pacific Boxcar Upgrades 1925

Tim O'Connor
 


Rebuilt with steel center sills to replace wooden center sills, wow ! Is that easier than it sounds ?

On 10/1/2022 4:04 PM, Hudson Leighton wrote:

Northern Pacific Boxcar Upgrades 1925

-Hudson

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Northern Pacific Boxcar Upgrades 1925

Hudson Leighton
 

Northern Pacific Boxcar Upgrades 1925

-Hudson


L&N 50' Single Sheaths

Dale White
 

Hi All,

I came across a photo of an L&N 50' Single Sheath boxcar, series 9800-9899, on page 64 of Kline's and Culotta's The Postwar Freight Car Fleet.  I was wondering if anyone had any further information or photos on these cars outside of what is available in the ORERs.  I'd like to kitbash or scratchbuild one, but I would like more information on them.

-Dale


Re: Photo: Many Sinclair Tank Cars (Circa 1917-1918)

Schleigh Mike
 

Hi Bill & Group!

New Sinclair tank cars were delivered from builders with the dome ring.  Later Sinclair used four silver 'dots' painted on the domes.  The conventional wisdom believes the dots were intended to offer ready identification of their cars when mixed in trains and cuts.  Few other tankers were so marked.  It is easy to think the rings served the same purpose in earlier times.  The dots and the large "SINCLAIR" billboard lettering began in the late twenties and the rings began to disappear thereafter.

Great photo!

Regards from Mike Schleigh in Western Penna.

On Friday, September 30, 2022, 06:25:07 PM EDT, Bill Parks via groups.io <bparks_43@...> wrote:


Car #4646 has a white band around it's dome.  I assume this means something.  Does anyone know what?

Thanks

--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: ABSENTEE

Kerry Cochran
 

We often discuss SN with him and he has given us the SN webpages at it home on WPLives.org

His help in the past has been greatly appreciated 

K. Cochran
FRRS/WPRM
Info@...


Airbrushing Water-Base Paints

George Hollwedel
 

I am a Vallejo dealer, I don't have an extensive stock, maybe 30 colors. I have tried to add any colors mentioned on this list as they seem to be what folks are using. I am happy to order any colors that you want.

I accept checks, money orders, PayPal and credit cards. I ship USPS First Class or Priority.

George

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
2108 Buffalo Tundra Dr
Austin, TX 78754-5960
512-796-6883
proto.nscale@...




Re: Armour Stock Car Photos

Charlie Vlk
 

All-
Note that the kit is rendered differently in the HO and N Scale versions.
In N the car is too small to be trying to straighten spaghetti Z framing and seems it would have been better to do the sides in one piece resin.
Charlie Vlk


On Sep 30, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:



Hi Jack and List Members,


Jack wrote: "According to the Leadville Designs website, the stockcar side framing is 3D printed ABS. The overall kit is multimedia.
I agree with Tim that it looks like heat deformation, probably somewhere in transit, though I suppose incomplete UV curing could be a factor.
Claus, I trust you've contacted the maker so the problem can be resolved"


Jack, you trust correctly. The text interaction is tacked on below, for the benefit of anyone else who might already have (or be considering the purchase of) this kit.


Overall, I find the kit to be a disappointment. This is not an inexpensive kit! Given the price I really would have expected a better product


Claus Schlund


Hi Bill,
 
Thanks for filling my recent order. Unfortunately there is a problem. The vertical and diagonal truss members that make up the 3-D printed car sides are seriously warped and are nowhere close to straight. See attached image
 
Also, the underframe has a minor bow in it. I may be able to fix the underframe, but the sides seem unusable.
 
How shall we proceed? Can you send  me a new set of 3-D printed sides?
 
Let me know what you think
 
Claus Schlund
 

Hi Claus,

Sorry to learn of this!

The members are quite thin and can be affected both during and after UV curing. That said, they are surprisingly resilient. What I have done in the past (and this works actually quite well) is to glue the frame pieces to the etched brass inner wall pieces along the top rail only. Then, gently straighten any bent diagonals one at a time and when they are straight, touch with some ACC to hold in place. In other words, assemble the car normally, but glue the diagonals and verticals last one at a time. Find the position that you like, and then using a pin with some ACC on it; dab in the corners where the sides touch the frames.

Let me know what you think! If this doesn't work out we will either refund your money or send some new printed components.

Cheers
Bill




Re: Photo: Many Sinclair Tank Cars (Circa 1917-1918)

Tim O'Connor
 


It's the only one that looks freshly painted -- may be some kind of safety experiment? The Santa Fe
used color coded stripes on company tank cars for different cargos.



On 9/30/2022 6:25 PM, Bill Parks via groups.io wrote:

Car #4646 has a white band around it's dome.  I assume this means something.  Does anyone know what?

Thanks

--
Bill Parks

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Armour Stock Car Photos

Charlie Vlk
 

Ray-

Thanks for providing the photos!   I think the one that I remembered was one of them.   I will share this with Rupert Gamlin, our resident (New Zealand!!!) CB&Q Freight Car Roster Expert.   I will have to check the Burlington Bulletin on the stockcars to see if it was mentioned there; that may be where I saw the photo in the first place!!

Thanks!

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:20 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Armour Stock Car Photos

 

I've got photos of two of those cars, Charlie. They're attached.

 

I did a little digging, and it looks like these were BUILT by the CB&Q, but directly for Swift. The cars first appear in the SLSE ORER listings around 1926, which is when the Q was building the SM-18 class stock cars. (SM-18: no end doors, built by CB&Q 1926-1928. SM-16: with end doors, built ACF 1922 and CB&Q 1924). The cars always ran under Swift branding (SLSE, SLST, SLSX), but for three different owners: Swift, which sold their car line to Quaker City in 1930, and then to GATX which bought Quaker City in 1934. There was lots of that sort of private car shuffling going on in the early years of the Depression.

 

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 

 

 

On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 08:36:33 PM CDT, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

 

 

Of course I can’t lay hands on it at the moment but I recall seeing a photo of a Armour or Swift stock car that was of CB&Q heritage, possibly a SM16 36’ steel framed car or one of the wood framed look-alikes.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 6:35 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Armour Stock Car Photos

 

>>Is there anything close in HO? iirc there were similar stock cars operated by Swift (SLSX).

>Phil Lee

 

Post-1936, that's because both fleets were GATX cars leased to Armour & Swift. Armour stopped owning their own stock cars around 1910, and Swift around 1932.

 

Ray Breyer

Elgin, IL

 


Re: Photo: Many Sinclair Tank Cars (Circa 1917-1918)

akerboomk
 

RE: White band: there's at least 4 other cars with white bands on their domes
--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondolas 172969 & 173808 (1940)

Peter Hall
 

Very neat motor - and one big pantograph.

Thanks
Pete

On Sep 30, 2022, at 6:03 PM, Clarence Zink <clarence.zink@...> wrote:

<Santa Rita Electric Loco - small LOC master-pnp-fsa-8b25000-8b25000-8b25066u.JPG>


Re: Rapido Northern Pacific boxcar

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Charlie has a down day and yet knocks a freight car that would take the rest of us (except for Clark and Paul D) a week to do.  He is rapidly rising on my railroad hero list.

Bill Pardie






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From: "Charlie Duckworth via groups.io" <Worth51@...>
Date: 9/30/22 7:04 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido Northern Pacific boxcar

RJ
That’s the couple that came with the car. I’m planning on changing out to a Kadee semi scale one 

Charlie 

On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 10:04 AM radiodial868 <radiodial57_at_gmail.com_Worth51@...> wrote:
Wow, that is so much better looking than the shiny version from the package. You've got that weathering thing dialed in. Going to use this as an inspiration to take mine out and weather, the chipping
Wow, that is so much better looking than the shiny version from the package.  You've got that weathering thing dialed in. Going to use this as an inspiration to take mine out and weather, the chipping galvanized panels edges included.
Now, if I could just convince you to migrate to Sergent/IMW couplers. That thing is huge hanging of the ends. What is that?
--
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA

--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondolas 172969 & 173808 (1940)

Clarence Zink
 

There are a few more photos of the Santa Rita mine in the Library of Congress Farm Security Administration/Office of War Information collection.

Here, and attached is a cropped photo of the electric loco used, with the LOC reference:


CRZ


Re: Photo: Many Sinclair Tank Cars (Circa 1917-1918)

Bill Parks
 

Car #4646 has a white band around it's dome.  I assume this means something.  Does anyone know what?

Thanks

--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Photo: Many Sinclair Tank Cars (Circa 1917-1918)

Tim O'Connor
 

Claus

Google is your friend. FLUX in this context refers to an oil product used with/for asphalt.

Frames with no tank ! Now that's something I've never seen before ! :-)


On 9/30/2022 3:42 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi Bob and List Members,

Great images!

In the one link referenced below, there is a cut of four cars on the rightmost track, starting with car SDRX 1033. Questions...

(1) The car sez "FLUX". What does that mean in this context?

(2) The two cars in the cut furthest from the camera are frames with no tank. So is this the repair track?


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Many Sinclair Tank Cars (Circa 1917-1918)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Bob and List Members,


Great images!


In the one link referenced below, there is a cut of four cars on the rightmost track, starting with car SDRX 1033. Questions...


(1) The car sez "FLUX". What does that mean in this context?


(2) The two cars in the cut furthest from the camera are frames with no tank. So is this the repair track?



TIA


Claus Schlund







On 30-Sep-22 12:53, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Many Sinclair Tank Cars (Circa 1917-1918)

Photo from the National Archives:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/31488886

Scroll to enlarge the photo.

A “thank you” to Claus Schlund for alerting me to the National Archives as a photo source.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA