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Re: Rapido Northern Pacific boxcar

Bill J.
 

Charlie!  Beautiful work, not surprising from you!

About your Dullcoat overspray?  Testors Dullcoat?  Cut with lacquer thinner?  What paint, I thought hobby paints didn’t like lacquer thinner!  

A few drops?  Does that mean about 5% added color?  More or less?

I really want to try this, but I don’t want to ruin a beautiful car.

Many thanks,

Bill Jolitz 


Re: Armour Stock Car Photos

Nelson Moyer
 

I built a pilot model of this kit, and the underframe had a couple of issues. First and worst, it was badly bowed. I tried oven treatment several time, and the frame flattened nicely when hot, but bowed when cool to room temperature. I tried hot water treatment, with the same result. Finally, I cut the stringers partway through at several points along the length of the frame, and glued the stringers and sill back together on a flat surface. You can see the wavy appearance and hot water distortion of the finished underframe in one of the attached photos.  I suggested using the 3D printed underframe as a master for a resin casting. Apparently, that didn’t happen. The other issue with the underframe is that the brake components are too small and improperly placed for the SM-18. The second issue was that the frets were stacked without a spacer, and the nickel silver fret shagged one of the brass  frets, and bent the sill steps and ladders. I straightened them as best I could, but I couldn’t eliminate all of the kinks completely. I suggested paper spacers to prevent this sort of damage. There are several other issues with the kit design, e.g. the roof extends too far over the sides and ends, the end fascia extends beyond the side fascia, the handbrake mounting tab is part of the roof, the sides don’t match the cross bearers and cross ties, etc. A added several enhancements to detail the kit beyond the basic materials supplied. Comparing the attached photos with prototype photos is the best way to evaluate the fidelity of the model.

 

I built this model last winter, and I plan to media blast it together with a group of tank cars this weekend. I’ll past pictures after the car is painted and decaled. Speaking of decals, there were no decals in the pilot kit, but I have a stash of SM-18 decals from the 24 Sunshine kits I built years ago.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2022 10:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Armour Stock Car Photos

 

According to the Leadville Designs website, the stockcar side framing is 3D printed ABS. The overall kit is multimedia.
I agree with Tim that it looks like heat deformation, probably somewhere in transit, though I suppose incomplete UV curing could be a factor.
 Claus, I trust you've contacted the maker so the problem can be resolved.

Jack Mullen 

 


Re: Rapido Northern Pacific boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Charlie 

You are welcome, I have never got around to weathering mine but I know what you mean about the planks there’s no excuse for it these days 

Paul Doggett 


On 30 Sep 2022, at 13:18, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51@...> wrote:

Paul
Thanks, only criticism I have with this model, is oddly, the vertical side boards have somewhat rounded edges making it difficult to have a pencil color adhere to a surface.  However the ‘boards’ making up the doors were flat as on an Accurail model.  Not sure how Rapido didn’t catch this before production.  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Rapido Northern Pacific boxcar

Charlie Duckworth
 

Paul
Thanks, only criticism I have with this model, is oddly, the vertical side boards have somewhat rounded edges making it difficult to have a pencil color adhere to a surface.  However the ‘boards’ making up the doors were flat as on an Accurail model.  Not sure how Rapido didn’t catch this before production.  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Rapido Northern Pacific boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Charlie 

Excellent thank you for sharing yet again 

Paul Doggett 


On 30 Sep 2022, at 12:12, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51@...> wrote:



I had a kidney stone blasted yesterday and since they put me under general anesthesia no driving for 24 hours.  I’d painted the black areas on the Seaboard AF-4 and wanted the paint to completely dry before masking for the sides.  Looking around the layout for something to occupy my time here was an untouched Rapido NP boxcar.  Sprayed it with my Dullcote mix of tan and black to tone down the factory lettering and provide some ‘tooth’ for colored pencils and PanPastels.   Various light and dark browns were used on a few of the boards, then used a mix of 91% alcohol and thinner with black oil paint and ‘pin washed’ the bolt heads and details on the ends of the roof just to accent some of the details on the model.  Roof walk painted with Vallejo black, flat brown and light gray mixed.  

Relaxing weathering effort on a nice RTR model. 



--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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Rapido Northern Pacific boxcar

Charlie Duckworth
 

I had a kidney stone blasted yesterday and since they put me under general anesthesia no driving for 24 hours.  I’d painted the black areas on the Seaboard AF-4 and wanted the paint to completely dry before masking for the sides.  Looking around the layout for something to occupy my time here was an untouched Rapido NP boxcar.  Sprayed it with my Dullcote mix of tan and black to tone down the factory lettering and provide some ‘tooth’ for colored pencils and PanPastels.   Various light and dark browns were used on a few of the boards, then used a mix of 91% alcohol and thinner with black oil paint and ‘pin washed’ the bolt heads and details on the ends of the roof just to accent some of the details on the model.  Roof walk painted with Vallejo black, flat brown and light gray mixed.  

Relaxing weathering effort on a nice RTR model. 



--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Armour Stock Car Photos

nyc3001 .
 

Matt, I am thinking that I may need to add another one of those kits to my collection to represent a SLSX car. They showed up very frequently in NYC stock trains, along with many other stock cars from midwestern/western roads. These stock cars tended to be routed as far east as Boston and NYC, which is contrary to what I see on many model railroads (primarily home-road stock cars, if any at all).

Jack, I purchased one of these kits earlier this year. The side framing in mine was nickel.

-Phil Lee


NYC drop-side LCL container cars

nyc3001 .
 
Edited

The NYC leased 335 drop-side LCL container cars from LCL Corp from 1930-1949. In 1949, the Central purchased 59 of them outright and welded the side doors shut. 

This interesting group of cars seems to be somewhat well-documented compared to other more statistically-significant classes of NYC freight cars. They seem to show up with some regularity in consists according to canadasouthern.com, which is where the below photos are also from. They frequently appear in groups with other classmates or covered hoppers, usually carrying dolomite.

These container cars plus the more well-known air-activated cement container cars rebuilt from USRA steel gondolas seem to comprise the vast majority of the Central's open-top container cars.

As built:


Early in-service shot; notice the different colors of containers:

Some drop doors open: 


As rebuilt post-1949; notice the strange markings on the containers as well as the damage to the 5th container from the left:

-Phil Lee


Re: Armour Stock Car Photos

Jack Mullen
 

According to the Leadville Designs website, the stockcar side framing is 3D printed ABS. The overall kit is multimedia.
I agree with Tim that it looks like heat deformation, probably somewhere in transit, though I suppose incomplete UV curing could be a factor.
 Claus, I trust you've contacted the maker so the problem can be resolved.

Jack Mullen 


Experimental Roller Bearing Arch Bar Truck

Bob Chaparro
 

Experimental Roller Bearing Arch Bar Truck

Pre-Depression Era Railroad Modelers

Photo courtesy of Richard Burg on the Facebook Pre-Depression Era Railroad Modelers group.

Description:

“An experimental roller bearing, arch bar truck used on the Michigan Central RR circa 1920.  National Archives of Canada neg. #182948”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler Issue 30 now online

Bryian Sones
 



Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 12:33:42 PM PDT, Steve SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:


Shipping is $9.94 if shipped tomorrow. “ USPS is temporarily increasing domestic shipping rates from October 2nd to January 22nd.”

 

I accept PayPal Friends and Family or commercial PayPal if you pay a total of 41.89 to cover the PayPal $1.95 fee.

 

Thank you.

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 7:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler Issue 30 now online

 

Very nice article on ventilated boxcars in 30:3 issue

rh


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondolas 172969 & 173808 (1940)

Peter Hall
 

Interesting!  Thanks!

Thanks
Pete

On Sep 29, 2022, at 3:55 PM, A Clemens <aclmns42@...> wrote:

Pete,
Here's a screenshot from an ATSF video. Kennecott 76 tonner with two overburden dump cars, two ATSF ore cars and a shovel. Not sure of the date.

Al

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 12:53 PM Peter Hall <petehall6369@...> wrote:
Is that catenary?  If so, what kind of electric engines were in use here?

Thanks
Pete

On Sep 28, 2022, at 6:37 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Santa Fe Gondolas 172969 & 173808 (1940)
A Russell Lee photo from the Library of Congress.
Use this link to access the TIFF version and enlarge it to see quite a bit of detail.
Taken at the copper mine at Santa Rita, New Mexico.
ATSF 172969 is a Class Ga-9 Caswell car built by AC&F in 1924. ATSF 173808 is a Class Ga-11 built by AC&F in 1926.
Also in view is Conoco tank car CONX 2600.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondolas 172969 & 173808 (1940)

A Clemens
 

Pete,
Here's a screenshot from an ATSF video. Kennecott 76 tonner with two overburden dump cars, two ATSF ore cars and a shovel. Not sure of the date.

Al


On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 12:53 PM Peter Hall <petehall6369@...> wrote:
Is that catenary?  If so, what kind of electric engines were in use here?

Thanks
Pete

On Sep 28, 2022, at 6:37 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Santa Fe Gondolas 172969 & 173808 (1940)
A Russell Lee photo from the Library of Congress.
Use this link to access the TIFF version and enlarge it to see quite a bit of detail.
Taken at the copper mine at Santa Rita, New Mexico.
ATSF 172969 is a Class Ga-9 Caswell car built by AC&F in 1924. ATSF 173808 is a Class Ga-11 built by AC&F in 1926.
Also in view is Conoco tank car CONX 2600.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: Nice view of dunnage used to load bombs into boxcars

C J Wyatt
 

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:05 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
This photo may go with the original photo post:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/76508160
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Thanks,Bob. I was wondering if other pictures were taken, but I was unsucessful in finding one. Your picture is showing bomb loading at the Cornhusker Ordinance Plant in Grand Island, Nebraska. For those interested in WWII traffic, here is a bit of history for the plant:

Cornhusker Ordnance Plant (Grand Island, Neb.) [RG0825.AM] | History Nebraska

Jack Wyatt


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondolas 172969 & 173808 (1940)

Peter Hall
 

Is that catenary?  If so, what kind of electric engines were in use here?

Thanks
Pete

On Sep 28, 2022, at 6:37 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Santa Fe Gondolas 172969 & 173808 (1940)
A Russell Lee photo from the Library of Congress.
Use this link to access the TIFF version and enlarge it to see quite a bit of detail.
Taken at the copper mine at Santa Rita, New Mexico.
ATSF 172969 is a Class Ga-9 Caswell car built by AC&F in 1924. ATSF 173808 is a Class Ga-11 built by AC&F in 1926.
Also in view is Conoco tank car CONX 2600.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler Issue 30 now online

Steve SANDIFER
 

Shipping is $9.94 if shipped tomorrow. “ USPS is temporarily increasing domestic shipping rates from October 2nd to January 22nd.”

 

I accept PayPal Friends and Family or commercial PayPal if you pay a total of 41.89 to cover the PayPal $1.95 fee.

 

Thank you.

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 7:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler Issue 30 now online

 

Very nice article on ventilated boxcars in 30:3 issue

rh


Re: Nice view of dunnage used to load bombs into boxcars

Bob Chaparro
 

This photo may go with the original photo post:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/76508160
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Armour Stock Car Photos

Tim O'Connor
 

Claus

That looks like heat damage -- perhaps during shipping ?? Some resins are more stable than others, and
that one may use one of the less stable resins. I have opened more than one resin kit to find warped parts.
But nothing as bad as that!


On 9/28/2022 2:16 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi Matt and List Members,


Matt, you don't say if you have already ordered and received the kit or not. I hope it looks better than the kit I received - see image linked below - shown still in the factory wrapping...


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51972925987_8209455571_o.jpg


Claus Schlund




On 28-Sep-22 12:06, Matt Smith wrote:
Phil,

New kit that I will be building for a fellow Q nut. Looks pretty neat! I'm looking forward to building this one.

https://leadvilledesigns.com/products/ho-cb-q-58000-59000-36-stock-car
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Sunshine and Westerfield kits and more for sale

Jerry Michels
 

Hi Folks, I have posted several Sunshine and Westerfield kits and Sunshine minikits and some decals that belonged to the late Virgil Young.  They are complete.  A few are partially assembled or have been started (such as sanding the stockcar sides to remove flashing).  I posted photos of the minikits that are still in the original bags. Those without photos Virgil had removed and put carefully into white envelopes.  Check them out at our company store  (www.amarillorailmusuem.com).  Let me know if you have any questions.

Jerry Michels


Re: ABSENTEE

radiodial868
 

He's doing well. He and I still correspond on all things Western Pacific and Sacramento Northern. Garth truly is a fountain of knowledge, but as Ken noted, his interests moved in a different direction. We only get one ride on this spinning rock, so I say good for him!
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA