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Re: Sunshine Models NOT&M SS boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


A fine build. And I really like your track scenery too! (Sidings with weeds, I love that.) :-)


On 9/20/2022 11:10 AM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:

Howe Truss New Orleans, Texas & Mexico single sheathed boxcar from Sunshine Models.  I came across a photo of a MP SS boxcar in the color guide that had an unpainted galvanized roof with the seam caps painted in the carbody color.  Photo taken in front of one of three feed mills I scratch built from field measurements and photos.  


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Charlie Duckworth 
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Re: Question on B&O M-26 roof color

Bruce Smith
 

Charlie,

My bet would be dirt over B&O freight car paint for that roof. Note the roof under the longitudinal running board. And btw, this is one of the arguments for "getting it right" with respect to the color, as there are areas of a car that can be sheltered from dirt or fading and pretty much retain the original color 😉

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Here’s a shot from the Morning Sun book on St Louis railroads.  Photo was taken 8/22/1954.  Roof appears to either be unpainted galvanized steel or painted with the galvanized paint someone mentioned a couple days ago on the Alton boxcar.  Edges of the roof appear to match the car sides.  Was the B&O using galvanized paint - the finish is pretty uniform or is this just unpainted galvanized steel?  Interesting what one finds flipping through overhead shots of class yards. 

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Charlie Duckworth 
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Question on B&O M-26 roof color

Charlie Duckworth
 

Here’s a shot from the Morning Sun book on St Louis railroads.  Photo was taken 8/22/1954.  Roof appears to either be unpainted galvanized steel or painted with the galvanized paint someone mentioned a couple days ago on the Alton boxcar.  Edges of the roof appear to match the car sides.  Was the B&O using galvanized paint - the finish is pretty uniform or is this just unpainted galvanized steel?  Interesting what one finds flipping through overhead shots of class yards. 

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Omaha, Ne.


Re: Would someone be interested in doing some ORER research for me?

Dave Nelson
 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of ROGER HINMAN via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2022 1:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Would someone be interested in doing some ORER research for me?

 

Don’t know if they’ve changed their policy, but I’ve had the Barriger UMSL do copies of specific ORER pages for me a couple of times before. They charge for research time but it was very reasonable. I imagine the CSRM would do the same

 

Roger Hinman


[DHN>] You can download from Google Books a .pdf for the entire 1897 edition.

 

Dave Nelson

On Sep 4, 2022, at 2:57 PM, akerboomk <ken-akerboom@...> wrote:

 

I'm working on researching all B&M (and predecessor RR) ORER entries
      https://bostonmaine.squarespace.com/freight-car-data
(NOTE: above is temporary URL until everything gets moved to the new web site)

Unfortunately, due to a couple issues, it doesn't look like I will be able to do any traveling for the foreseeable future.

I've got 95+% of the data, but I need someone to help get the last few pages, specifically
- Probably about a day (or less) work in St Louis at the St Louis Mercantile library,
    - A motley assortment of pages I missed or screwed up on when I was there in May
- a day or so in either Sacramento (California RR Museum) and/or Stanford (Stanford Univ) for:
    - 1885 (Jun - Dec) (multiple RRs) (yes, I have the Westerfield CD)
    - 1897 (Jan - Jun) (B&M and Fitchburg)
    - 1900 (all) (B&M and, if present, Fitchburg)

I am willing to pay time and agreed-upon travel expenses.

I would prefer pictures with 10Mp (or greater) camera - I used my iPhone 13

If you (or a child/grandchild/great-grandchild in the case of Stanford U) is interested, please contact me at
            ken[dash]akerboom[at sign]Rochester[dot]rr[dot]com
(or if you get these via emails, the "Reply to Sender" link)
for details as to what I am looking for

And before you ask...
Yes, I've tried ILL (with not very good results)
I know the NYPL has some of them, but they are scanned, and some data is barely legible (been there, done that).  
I'd prefer images of original pages
Cross posted in EarlyRail and realSTMFC groups.io forums

Thanks!
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Re: Sunshine Models NOT&M SS boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Charlie 

Another stunning model.

Paul Doggett 


On 20 Sep 2022, at 16:10, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51@...> wrote:



Howe Truss New Orleans, Texas & Mexico single sheathed boxcar from Sunshine Models.  I came across a photo of a MP SS boxcar in the color guide that had an unpainted galvanized roof with the seam caps painted in the carbody color.  Photo taken in front of one of three feed mills I scratch built from field measurements and photos.  

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Lateral Running Boards

Guy Wilber
 

Ken,

There are no specifics within the text or drawings, but I would venture to say that that latitudinal running boards would not have been required on a tarred canvas roof.    

Regards,

Guy




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Re: Lateral Running Boards

Ken Adams
 

Guy

What if the caboose roof was tarred canvas? 
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Re: Sunshine Models NOT&M SS boxcar

O Fenton Wells
 

Good looking car Charlie.
Fenton

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 11:10 AM Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51=duck.com@groups.io> wrote:

Howe Truss New Orleans, Texas & Mexico single sheathed boxcar from Sunshine Models.  I came across a photo of a MP SS boxcar in the color guide that had an unpainted galvanized roof with the seam caps painted in the carbody color.  Photo taken in front of one of three feed mills I scratch built from field measurements and photos.  


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Omaha, Ne.



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Sunshine Models NOT&M SS boxcar

Charlie Duckworth
 

Howe Truss New Orleans, Texas & Mexico single sheathed boxcar from Sunshine Models.  I came across a photo of a MP SS boxcar in the color guide that had an unpainted galvanized roof with the seam caps painted in the carbody color.  Photo taken in front of one of three feed mills I scratch built from field measurements and photos.  


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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Need help / GM&O 17000 series boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Ray, I have an email into Jim Singer as I want to buy a copy of this photo.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 9:54 AM Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Near as I can make out, the car number is 67394. And it's definitely got a radial roof.
I'vce attached as clean a copy of the image as I can grab.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 06:50:38 AM CDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


I agree Ray but it’s the only photo I’ve seen of a broadside of this modified type car. 
Let me know your thoughts on the roof please. Radial or flat?


On Sep 19, 2022, at 9:05 PM, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


1967 repack date and absolutely no dimensional data. This is a MOW car. In revenue service, none got GM&O paint, and none survived past 1954.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 07:30:54 PM CDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


And in GM&O lettering. Didn’t think any of them made it that way


On Sep 19, 2022, at 8:29 PM, O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

 Awesome Owen. Thank you so much. 
Fenton 


On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Owen Thorne - owen at udel.edu <owen@...> wrote:


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Re: Need help / GM&O 17000 series boxcars

Ray Breyer
 

Thanks for that image, Jason. It's the same car type: note the Pressed Steel fishbelly side sills.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 08:07:28 AM CDT, Jason P <gmo1515@...> wrote:


Ray and all,
I can't make out the car number in that photo but I do know that GM&O numbered all of their MoW and related non-revenue equipment into 66000 and 67000 series numbers. If you see a number like that on a car it has definitely been "bumped" from revenue service. Many were repainted into the MoW yellow scheme but there were a few boxcars that simply had the number patched out. There was also a diner-lounge car that was converted into an instruction car (#66658) that retained the passenger maroon and red scheme as well.

I'm not sure if this is a car from the same class but I've attached an Owen Leander (John Lareau collection) photo of GM&O 66636 that was a MoW supply car taken May 3, 1964 in Chicago. I don't have any info on it's former in-service number as a boxcar but it appears that it may have been built from a similar type of car.

-Jason Parham

On 09/19/2022 8:05 PM Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:


1967 repack date and absolutely no dimensional data. This is a MOW car. In revenue service, none got GM&O paint, and none survived past 1954.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 07:30:54 PM CDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


And in GM&O lettering. Didn’t think any of them made it that way



On Sep 19, 2022, at 8:29 PM, O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Awesome Owen. Thank you so much. 
Fenton 



On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Owen Thorne - owen at udel.edu <owen@...> wrote:

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Re: Need help / GM&O 17000 series boxcars

Ray Breyer
 

Near as I can make out, the car number is 67394. And it's definitely got a radial roof.
I'vce attached as clean a copy of the image as I can grab.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 06:50:38 AM CDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


I agree Ray but it’s the only photo I’ve seen of a broadside of this modified type car. 
Let me know your thoughts on the roof please. Radial or flat?


On Sep 19, 2022, at 9:05 PM, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:


1967 repack date and absolutely no dimensional data. This is a MOW car. In revenue service, none got GM&O paint, and none survived past 1954.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 07:30:54 PM CDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


And in GM&O lettering. Didn’t think any of them made it that way


On Sep 19, 2022, at 8:29 PM, O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

 Awesome Owen. Thank you so much. 
Fenton 


On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Owen Thorne - owen at udel.edu <owen@...> wrote:


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Cecil County MD USA
owen at udel dot edu


Re: Need help / GM&O 17000 series boxcars

Jason P
 

Ray and all,
I can't make out the car number in that photo but I do know that GM&O numbered all of their MoW and related non-revenue equipment into 66000 and 67000 series numbers. If you see a number like that on a car it has definitely been "bumped" from revenue service. Many were repainted into the MoW yellow scheme but there were a few boxcars that simply had the number patched out. There was also a diner-lounge car that was converted into an instruction car (#66658) that retained the passenger maroon and red scheme as well.

I'm not sure if this is a car from the same class but I've attached an Owen Leander (John Lareau collection) photo of GM&O 66636 that was a MoW supply car taken May 3, 1964 in Chicago. I don't have any info on it's former in-service number as a boxcar but it appears that it may have been built from a similar type of car.

-Jason Parham

On 09/19/2022 8:05 PM Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:


1967 repack date and absolutely no dimensional data. This is a MOW car. In revenue service, none got GM&O paint, and none survived past 1954.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 07:30:54 PM CDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


And in GM&O lettering. Didn’t think any of them made it that way



On Sep 19, 2022, at 8:29 PM, O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Awesome Owen. Thank you so much. 
Fenton 



On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Owen Thorne - owen at udel.edu <owen@...> wrote:

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Re: Need help / GM&O 17000 series boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

I agree Ray but it’s the only photo I’ve seen of a broadside of this modified type car. 
Let me know your thoughts on the roof please. Radial or flat?


On Sep 19, 2022, at 9:05 PM, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:


1967 repack date and absolutely no dimensional data. This is a MOW car. In revenue service, none got GM&O paint, and none survived past 1954.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 07:30:54 PM CDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


And in GM&O lettering. Didn’t think any of them made it that way


On Sep 19, 2022, at 8:29 PM, O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

 Awesome Owen. Thank you so much. 
Fenton 


On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Owen Thorne - owen at udel.edu <owen@...> wrote:

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Re: Frisco stock car question

Dave Nelson
 

Late... but relevant.

I took the I mage Claus posted and tried to correct the color. I was able to get a tiny bit of blue into the sky w/o losing the BCR, corrected much of the contrast problems, but no amount of fiddling produced a yellow door w/o getting an even deeper yellow sky. Perhaps the door was painted white instead or perhaps the photo si too damaged to correct

Dave Nelson

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 4:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Frisco stock car question

Hi Charlie and List Members,


I'm attaching a color image of SLSF 48001. Note the door.


Claus Schlund


Re: Need help / GM&O 17000 series boxcars

Ray Breyer
 

1967 repack date and absolutely no dimensional data. This is a MOW car. In revenue service, none got GM&O paint, and none survived past 1954.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 07:30:54 PM CDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


And in GM&O lettering. Didn’t think any of them made it that way


On Sep 19, 2022, at 8:29 PM, O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

 Awesome Owen. Thank you so much. 
Fenton 


On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Owen Thorne - owen at udel.edu <owen@...> wrote:

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Re: Need help / GM&O 17000 series boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

And in GM&O lettering. Didn’t think any of them made it that way


On Sep 19, 2022, at 8:29 PM, O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Awesome Owen. Thank you so much. 
Fenton 


On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Owen Thorne - owen at udel.edu <owen@...> wrote:

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Re: Need help / GM&O 17000 series boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

Awesome Owen. Thank you so much. 
Fenton 


On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Owen Thorne - owen at udel.edu <owen@...> wrote:

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Mid-Atlantic Railroad Prototype Modelers meet October 13-16, 2022

Doug Chapman
 

Friends,

The Mid-Atlantic Railroad Prototype Modelers meet will be held in Hunt Valley (Baltimore), Maryland on October 13-16, 2022.  Full information is available at http:www.marpm.org

Two full days of clinics, lots of models on display, well-known vendors, and open houses will be featured at this meet.  Thirty clinics will be featured, with an outstanding slate of clinicians including Andrew Dodge MMR, Bernie Kempinski MMR, Mat Thompson MMR, Paul Dolkos, John Greene, Eric Hansmann, Marty McGuirk, and Tony Sessions. This is a great opportunity to share camaraderie, information, and great models. You’ll enjoy this Railroad Prototype Modelers event. Hope to see you there!


Doug Chapman
MARPM Staff


Re: Need help / GM&O 17000 series boxcars

Owen Thorne - owen at udel.edu
 


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