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Re: T&P paint scheme

Bill Pannell
 

John,
I can't find that info in any of my references,  all the pictures I have of that series is after your modeling date but I will keep digging. In the mean time here is the layout page for that series, it shows the logo.

Bill


Re: Archer Transfers Quitting business

Eric Hiser
 

Well, going out of business appears to be good business as Archer states that “due to overwhelming response to our inventory liquidation sale we are temporarily not accepting orders….”

 

AT&SF Eric


Re: D&RGW stock car kits

Richard Bale <Rhbale@...>
 

To Pierre Oliver
 
Hello Pierre..
 
Please clarify the difference between YMW 131.1 and YMW 131.4.
Thanks for your help.
 
Richard Bale
Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine.
 

In a message dated 8/6/2022 11:16:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, pierre.oliver@... writes:
 

Good day all
The D&RGW stock car kits are now on the website,
 
and available for purchase
 
--
Pierre Oliver
 
 
 
 
 


Bay Terminal Tank Cars c. 1940s-1950s?

nyc3001 .
 

While reading through the consists on canadasouthern.com, I found that Bay Terminal tank cars (reporting mark BT) were apparently sometimes seen in NYC trains on the Toledo and Lake Divisions and were routed at least as far west as Minneapolis and at least as far east as Pittsburgh. So modeling one is of some interest.

The question is, what were they? I can't find any record of the types of tank cars BT used during the transition era (although they apparently owned 325 in 1950s). The closest resource I've been able to find is a 1917 document in which BT uses a variety of tank cars owned by different companies.

https://www.labellemodels.com/manuals/Bay%20Terminal.pdf

Does anyone have any insight into the BT tank cars of the transition era or photos?

-Phil Lee


Re: Steam Era Models for Sale - Update!

Mark Rossiter
 

All: Please be advised that due to an overwhelming response, most of the resin kits have already been spoken for!  I have been promised an updated list of what is available.  

Mark


Re: Photo: SP Klamath Falls Yard

Ted Larson
 

My recollection is hearing that the Siskiyou line was quite torturous, hence the alternate route.  Even Amtrak takes the alternate route.  Rode it many years ago from Seattle to Oakland.  

Ted Larson

--
Ted Larson
Trainweb.org/MHRR   ---   GN in 1965   ---   NASG.org 


Steam Era Models for Sale

Mark Rossiter
 

A local model railroader passed away recently leaving behind a large collection of HO scale brass and plastic locomotives and rolling stock.  There is also a sizeable number of unbuilt resin kits from Funaro and Camerlengo, Sunshine Models and Speedwitch Media and several smaller resin kit manufacturers. Many of the models are from the steam era.  The resin kits in particular are going for very reasonable prices!  

A member of the local NMRA organization is helping the family to dispose of this collection.  If you have an interest in the list of models for sale, please contact me OFF LIST at: mrossiter327 ‘at’ gmail.com for the list and contact information for the person handling the sales.  


Mark Rossiter


Re: 1935 wreck on the Rutland - photos

Mark Rossiter
 

Close, but no cigar!  The lettering on the car in the photo indicates this is Rutland #304, which Railworks also imported a version of.  See this listing instead:

https://www.brasstrains.com/BrassGuide/Pdg/Detail/36967/HO-Rolling-Stock-Railworks-LTD-R-319-Rutland-MILK-CAR

 

Mark Rossiter

 

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Re: Western Maryland hoppers

Philip Dove
 

Until l saw the Eiffel tower in reality l had always assumed it was black, but it is actually a sort of freight car red. My brother who vhas visited Paris many times in the last 30 years says it's been that colour all the times he has seen it. Even on photoes l took with my phone often look black, perhaps the same phenomenon is happening with WM cars. Are no Western Marland workers still alive to be asked? 


Re: Photo: SP Klamath Falls Yard

Jim Betz
 

Hello all,

  It turns out that the SP "main" -DID- shift to the K Falls route and was very much in
use ... and carrying more traffic than the Siskiyou line.  I've been told by someone
who knows the SP much better than I.  Thanks for the correction, BD.
                                                                                                       - Jim


Re: Western Maryland hoppers

Eric Hansmann
 

While it is unknown, I’m going with black on WM hoppers for my late 1926 focus. Here’s a Bowser model in factory paint that I updated. 

The WM received their first channel side stake hoppers in 1926-27. They also began rebuilding their 1916-17 Pullman built hoppers with these channel side stakes starting in 1926. If there was a moment to change car color, that would be it. Ownership changed in 1927 when the Rockefeller’s sold their interest in the WM. 

Another possible car color change could be in the early 1930s when their circular emblem began showing up on WM freight cars. 

This emblem would be modified with “Fast Freight Line” added to the center when the first 8-wheel, steel cabooses came into service in the mid-1930s. Up until this time, the WM only had 4-wheel cabooses in service. 

For the majority of modelers on this list, WM hoppers would be red and weathered. Black hoppers are possible before the rebuilding years noted above. I do not have definitive data for the early color. It is my opinion. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Ed Mines wrote:

Were Western Maryland hoppers ever painted black?
There's a steam era photo in one of the all color books (Don Ball?) which shows a train full of these hoppers, some painted freight car red, some painted bright (caboose?) red & some in between.

That's a long-standing debate, and to my knowledge never settled. I heard it hashed out many times, by knowledgeable people, when I lived in Pittsburgh. Some WW II WM photos sure look like fresh black paint, but as I say, nothing certain. The "standard” WM hopper color certainly was a slightly reddish BCR.

Tony Thompson





Re: C&EI War Bonds boxcar

Charlie Duckworth
 

Bruce
Cool looking car; it’s nice to built ‘out of box’ and not get boggle down with a difficult kit. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Western Maryland hoppers

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Mines wrote:

Were Western Maryland hoppers ever painted black?
There's a steam era photo in one of the all color books (Don Ball?) which shows a train full of these hoppers, some painted freight car red, some painted bright (caboose?) red & some in between.

That's a long-standing debate, and to my knowledge never settled. I heard it hashed out many times, by knowledgeable people, when I lived in Pittsburgh. Some WW II WM photos sure look like fresh black paint, but as I say, nothing certain. The "standard” WM hopper color certainly was a slightly reddish BCR.

Tony Thompson





Re: Western Maryland hoppers

naptownprr
 

I was curious about that myself at one time.  The answer is no, it is just coal dust and weathering that makes them look black.

Jim Hunter

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Were Western Maryland hoppers ever painted black?
There's a steam era photo in one of the all color books (Don Ball?) which shows a train full of these hoppers, some painted freight car red, some painted bright (caboose?) red & some in between.


Western Maryland hoppers

ed_mines
 

Were Western Maryland hoppers ever painted black?
There's a steam era photo in one of the all color books (Don Ball?) which shows a train full of these hoppers, some painted freight car red, some painted bright (caboose?) red & some in between.


Re: Would someone be interested in doing some ORER research for me?

ROGER HINMAN
 

Don’t know if they’ve changed their policy, but I’ve had the Barriger UMSL do copies of specific ORER pages for me a couple of times before. They charge for research time but it was very reasonable. I imagine the CSRM would do the same

Roger Hinman

On Sep 4, 2022, at 2:57 PM, akerboomk <ken-akerboom@...> wrote:

I'm working on researching all B&M (and predecessor RR) ORER entries
      https://bostonmaine.squarespace.com/freight-car-data
(NOTE: above is temporary URL until everything gets moved to the new web site)

Unfortunately, due to a couple issues, it doesn't look like I will be able to do any traveling for the foreseeable future.

I've got 95+% of the data, but I need someone to help get the last few pages, specifically
- Probably about a day (or less) work in St Louis at the St Louis Mercantile library,
    - A motley assortment of pages I missed or screwed up on when I was there in May
- a day or so in either Sacramento (California RR Museum) and/or Stanford (Stanford Univ) for:
    - 1885 (Jun - Dec) (multiple RRs) (yes, I have the Westerfield CD)
    - 1897 (Jan - Jun) (B&M and Fitchburg)
    - 1900 (all) (B&M and, if present, Fitchburg)

I am willing to pay time and agreed-upon travel expenses.

I would prefer pictures with 10Mp (or greater) camera - I used my iPhone 13

If you (or a child/grandchild/great-grandchild in the case of Stanford U) is interested, please contact me at
            ken[dash]akerboom[at sign]Rochester[dot]rr[dot]com
(or if you get these via emails, the "Reply to Sender" link)
for details as to what I am looking for

And before you ask...
Yes, I've tried ILL (with not very good results)
I know the NYPL has some of them, but they are scanned, and some data is barely legible (been there, done that).  
I'd prefer images of original pages
Cross posted in EarlyRail and realSTMFC groups.io forums

Thanks!
--
Ken Akerboom


Would someone be interested in doing some ORER research for me?

akerboomk
 

I'm working on researching all B&M (and predecessor RR) ORER entries
      https://bostonmaine.squarespace.com/freight-car-data
(NOTE: above is temporary URL until everything gets moved to the new web site)

Unfortunately, due to a couple issues, it doesn't look like I will be able to do any traveling for the foreseeable future.

I've got 95+% of the data, but I need someone to help get the last few pages, specifically
- Probably about a day (or less) work in St Louis at the St Louis Mercantile library,
    - A motley assortment of pages I missed or screwed up on when I was there in May
- a day or so in either Sacramento (California RR Museum) and/or Stanford (Stanford Univ) for:
    - 1885 (Jun - Dec) (multiple RRs) (yes, I have the Westerfield CD)
    - 1897 (Jan - Jun) (B&M and Fitchburg)
    - 1900 (all) (B&M and, if present, Fitchburg)

I am willing to pay time and agreed-upon travel expenses.

I would prefer pictures with 10Mp (or greater) camera - I used my iPhone 13

If you (or a child/grandchild/great-grandchild in the case of Stanford U) is interested, please contact me at
            ken[dash]akerboom[at sign]Rochester[dot]rr[dot]com
(or if you get these via emails, the "Reply to Sender" link)
for details as to what I am looking for

And before you ask...
Yes, I've tried ILL (with not very good results)
I know the NYPL has some of them, but they are scanned, and some data is barely legible (been there, done that).  
I'd prefer images of original pages
Cross posted in EarlyRail and realSTMFC groups.io forums

Thanks!
--
Ken Akerboom


Re: C&EI War Bonds boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Prototype photo from the Protocraft website:

https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?Itemid=417&Categoryid=20
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: C&EI War Bonds boxcar

golden1014
 

Nice job, Bruce!  That model has been an RPM classic for 20 years now.  I think you added the right aftermarket details to make it stand out.  I also think you nailed the “dusty” effect perfectly.  That effect is hard to get right—it’s easy to over-do it but you got it right.  Very inspirational!  Thanks for sending.

John Golden


Re: 1935 wreck on the Rutland - photos

Don Burn
 

Dave,

The car with vents could be a Rutland Milk Car. The link https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/031394/HO-Railworks-Rutland-340-349-Wood-Milk-Car shows an HO brass import of the series of these cars.

Don Burn

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To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 1935 wreck on the Rutland - photos

A February 7, 1935 derailment on the Rutland Railroad at Irona New York was captured in images that have been posted on the Clinton County Historical Association Facebook Page: https://m.facebook.com/ClintonCountyHistoricalAssociation/

There's a PRR H-21, a CP single-sheathed boxcar, a CP reefer(?), a B&M single-sheathed box, some NYC hoppers, and a car with a row of rectangular vents low on the sheathing in the images. I tried various ways to get a link directly to the post, without luck, but it was posted on August 25, so it's just a short scroll back. Their group is set up to only show thumbnails, so you'll need to click on the tiny "Show full size" link to see the actual picture. This is close to the time and location I am modeling, so I'd love more particulars on any of the cars, especially that ventilated(?) one, if you are so inspired. Thanks!

Dave
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Allentown, PA
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