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Books, Model trains for sale

bnpmodeler
 

Good afternoon group;

Please pardon the possible duplicate post, I received an error message the first time I tried to send this.

 

I have a stack of books for sale, as well as some HO scale equipment. Books include around a dozen Morning Sun titles, 18 RPC titles, some Speedwitch Media titles, Train Shed Cyclopedias, and about 2 dozen or so Miscellaneous titles. Model trains include some Athearn/Genesis, Atlas, Proto 2000 and a couple brass items, nearly all are late steam-early diesel era stuff. ALL items are reasonably priced. For lists of what’s for sale please email me OFF-LIST at jamesharrmodelmaker_AT_gmail_DOT_com and I will send you a PDF. First-come, first served, on the honor system. I will do my best to get lists out as quickly as possible.

 

Thanks for your time;

 

James Harr

High Bridge, NJ


Re: QUESTION ON BRAKE STEP

Benjamin Hom
 


On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 02:08:12 PM EDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


While researching potential improvements on some Frisco cars I came across a reference to a Wass - Morton brake step.  I was able to obtain the attached photo.  I can’t quite determine if the step is perforated or if this has button bumps."

The brake step is perforated.


Ben Hom


QUESTIONON BRAKE STEP

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

While researching potential improvements on some Frisco cars I came across a reference to a Wass - Morton brake step.  I wasable to obtain theattached photo.I can’t quite determine if the stepis perforated or if this has button bumps.

Thanksfor any help”


Bill Pardie


Re: Help identifying a gondola, please

greg kennelly
 

Many thanks, Steve.

I missed those in my search of the ORERs as I was looking for mech. desig. GRA while those are listed as MWB despite having been stencilled "GRA-50-4".  The dimensions in the 1943 ORER match the late BIll Hewlett's August 27, 1954 measurements of PGE 253 very well, including a 19'-0" I.L. when the bulkheads are in place at the ends of the hopper sections.  The only unfortunate information in the January 1943 ORER is that it "Note O" shows only 2 cars, 40878 & 40894, remaining in series 40800 - 40999.  The PGE acquired 10 cars nine years later.  Now to try to find a diagram that shows the operating mechanism for the hoppers.  Based on Bill's photo of the interior, only the lower portion of the outer panel of the hopper opens and it will need to be hinged at its lowest point in order to effect discharge outside the rails.

Cheers,
Greg Kennelly


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What’s the difference between the Intermountain and Kadee PS-1 besides price and details

Charlie Duckworth
 

I’m looking at building the Seaboard AF-4 DD PS-1.  The PP I found recommends using the IM PS-1. Is there any reason why the Kadee PS-1 can’t be used?
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Omaha, Ne.


Re: Frisco stock car question

Charlie Duckworth
 

Thanks, I assumed as such but just checking. 
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Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: Railroad yard at U.S. Steel Duquesne Works, Duquesne, PA (1956)

Doug Polinder
 

To add to Todd's comments, the Milwaukee used trackage rights on the PCRR from Maple Valley through Renton (think Boeing and PC&F) to reach Black River Junction and strung catenary.  So at one time I believe it was possible to see steam, diesels, and electrics operating on the same (albeit short) stretch of line (just like on the GN main through Stevens Pass when it was still electrified).

Doug Polinder
wishing in South Texas that we got as much rain as Dallas did a few days ago


Re: Frisco stock car question

Ray Breyer
 

I have 18 different photos of Frisco stock cars, ranging in dates from 1904 to 1956. None have yellow doors.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 07:35:27 AM CDT, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <worth51@...> wrote:


Both the Sunshine instructions and a web site mention the doors on the Frisco stock card being painted yellow.   I know on the MP yellow stock car doors meant the car was a double deck.  Both the prototype photos in the instructions show the doors the same color as the carbody.  Any images around of yellow doors?

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: Railroad yard at U.S. Steel Duquesne Works, Duquesne, PA (1956)

Jeff Helm
 

Those high side Pacific Coast gons with the billboard lettering really stand out.  After the GN purchased the line, they transferred some old GN gons to replace even older worn out coal hauling gons.  One of theses still exists at a railroad museum near Seattle.  I have a couple of posts on my blog about that gon and the PCRR history.
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Cheers

Jeff Helm
The Olympic Peninsula Branch
https://olympicpeninsulabranch.blogspot.com/


Re: Frisco stock car question

Guy Wilber
 

Charlie wrote:

Both the Sunshine instructions and a web site mention the doors on the Frisco stock card being painted yellow.   I know on the MP yellow stock car doors meant the car was a double deck.  Both the prototype photos in the instructions show the doors the same color as the carbody.  Any images around of yellow doors?”

Charlie,

This image is from the same website.  Three more single deck cars with doors painted the same color as the car body though they appear to be a different class.

Guy Wilber 
Reno, Nevada

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Frisco stock car question

Charlie Duckworth
 

Both the Sunshine instructions and a web site mention the doors on the Frisco stock card being painted yellow.   I know on the MP yellow stock car doors meant the car was a double deck.  Both the prototype photos in the instructions show the doors the same color as the carbody.  Any images around of yellow doors?

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: Railroad yard at U.S. Steel Duquesne Works, Duquesne, PA (1956)

earlyrail
 

Pacific Coast gons were around in numbers in the mid 60's.
I have several photos from my Navy days ion the Seattle area.
Merged in the the BN merger.

Howard Garner


Re: Help identifying a gondola, please

greg kennelly
 

Colin and David,

Thanks for the suggestions.  I could not find that IC car (by that number at least) in either my 1943 or 1953 ORERs.  I found lots of GS and GB IC cars but no GRA.  The IC car shows what looks like 6 drop door panels per side while the cars that came to the PGE had 4  hoppers per side.  I will try contacting the Pre-Depression Era Railroad Modellers.

Greg Kennelly


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Re: Photo: Railroad yard at U.S. Steel Duquesne Works, Duquesne, PA (1956)

Steve Stull
 

On a side note, I noticed an ad in that same listing for an N scale 1962 Turbo Encabulator.  
Also available in HO. 

Sorry, I can't help it, being an Engineer, things like that are too funny to pass up.

For any who may not know what a Turbo Encabulator is, look it up on youtube. 

Enjoy. ;)

Steve Stull
winslow 7076

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 03:49:58 PM AKDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi Richard and List Members,


If you model in the correct scale, you can buy the Gordon Odegard crankshaft as a laser cut kit today...


https://www.ebay.com/itm/354233870343


Claus Schlund


On 25-Aug-22 15:49, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
And as for the gondola with the large crankshaft, I guess that means the 4-truck Wabash flatcar was not available (modelers of a certain age will remember Gordon Odegard's scratchbuilding "Dollar Model Project" from MR, later reprinted in Kalmbach's "Easy to Build Model Railroad Freight Cars.")

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: Help identifying a gondola, please

Steve and Barb Hile
 

In a 1917 ORER, T&NO 40900-40999 are listed as both MWB and HD – Gond. Convertible St’l

 

In fact, here is the next slide in the deck

 

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Help identifying a gondola, please

 

I wonder if the PGE modified the cars to give the hoper bottoms in place of side dump doors.



On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:



Some years ago, I did some research on the Bettendorf company and presented the clinic a few times.  Several people kindly shared photos with me, including John Riddell.  Anyway, this looks like what became the PGE car.

 

image001.png

 

Hope this helps.

 

Steve Hile

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Help identifying a gondola, please

 

The hive mind there might, so it's worth asking.

 

The only cars I could think of that had these ends were IC cars,and besides having the same ends and eight panels, they're nothing like the PGE car.

 

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 

 

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 08:06:49 PM CDT, Kemal Mumcu via groups.io <kemal_mumcu@...> wrote:

 

 

That's an interesting gondola Greg.  The Pre-Depression Era Railroad Modellers on FB might be able to help you on this one. 

Colin Meikle


Re: Help identifying a gondola, please

Richard Townsend
 

I wonder if the PGE modified the cars to give the hoper bottoms in place of side dump doors.


On Aug 25, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:



Some years ago, I did some research on the Bettendorf company and presented the clinic a few times.  Several people kindly shared photos with me, including John Riddell.  Anyway, this looks like what became the PGE car.

 

image001.png

 

Hope this helps.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 9:07 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Help identifying a gondola, please

 

The hive mind there might, so it's worth asking.

 

The only cars I could think of that had these ends were IC cars,and besides having the same ends and eight panels, they're nothing like the PGE car.

 

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 

 

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 08:06:49 PM CDT, Kemal Mumcu via groups.io <kemal_mumcu@...> wrote:

 

 

That's an interesting gondola Greg.  The Pre-Depression Era Railroad Modellers on FB might be able to help you on this one. 

Colin Meikle


Re: Photo: Railroad yard at U.S. Steel Duquesne Works, Duquesne, PA (1956)

Andy Carlson
 

A little additional thoughts on the WA state std gauge Pacific Coast Railroad (Not "railway). The simularity with the name of the California Central Coast 3' narrow gauge line of "Pacific Coast Railway" is not  coincidence. The Pacific Coast steamship Lines owned both RRs for a long time, going back into and before the turn of the century. The WA PCRR shops even built some equipment for the narrow gauge line. The ownership of the standard gauge line became GN's after the end and scrapping of the PCRY narrow gauge line in the early 1940s.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 06:46:55 PM PDT, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


Richard,

The Pacific Coast Railroad (different from the 3' n.g. PC Rys of Calif and Wash) was a steam powered short line just south of Seattle that hauled coal from a few mines in the western slopes of the Cascades.  The PCRR was owned by the GN, which took it over operationally when the PCRR began to fail.  There are a number of photos in Warren Wing's 3 volumes of "A Northwest Rail Pictorial".  I think the operation wrapped up in the mid to late 1950s, and I do recall seeing at least one PCRR coal gondola in Portland after I arrived there in the summer of 1957.

Todd Sullivan
High and dry north of Dallas TX


Re: Help identifying a gondola, please

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Some years ago, I did some research on the Bettendorf company and presented the clinic a few times.  Several people kindly shared photos with me, including John Riddell.  Anyway, this looks like what became the PGE car.

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 9:07 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Help identifying a gondola, please

 

The hive mind there might, so it's worth asking.

 

The only cars I could think of that had these ends were IC cars,and besides having the same ends and eight panels, they're nothing like the PGE car.

 

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 

 

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 08:06:49 PM CDT, Kemal Mumcu via groups.io <kemal_mumcu@...> wrote:

 

 

That's an interesting gondola Greg.  The Pre-Depression Era Railroad Modellers on FB might be able to help you on this one. 

Colin Meikle


Re: Help identifying a gondola, please

Ray Breyer
 

The hive mind there might, so it's worth asking.

The only cars I could think of that had these ends were IC cars,and besides having the same ends and eight panels, they're nothing like the PGE car.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 08:06:49 PM CDT, Kemal Mumcu via groups.io <kemal_mumcu@...> wrote:


That's an interesting gondola Greg.  The Pre-Depression Era Railroad Modellers on FB might be able to help you on this one. 

Colin Meikle


Re: Help identifying a gondola, please

Ray Breyer
 

Not IC. They had two groups of early steel gondolas with these ends. Both were off the roster by 1930, and neither have sides or dumping mechanisms that look anything like the PGE car.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 08:07:23 PM CDT, David via groups.io <jaydeet2001@...> wrote:


Illinois Central 122038 is a likely candidate.

David Thompson

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