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Re: BR&P Boxcar End

Robert kirkham
 

That’s an interesting brake step as well.  

Interesting to try to spot those cars; I’m not able to add to your list.

Rob

On Aug 9, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

I suspect these pressed metal parts are part of the technological progress after the end truss rods that held the cars together. Ray Breyer authored a review of these truss rod end cars. The PDF can be downloaded from the Freight Car Fleets resource page on my blog.
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/freight-car-fleets/
 
From the truss rod ends, steel straps were the next step before the pressed steel. The attached view of Big Four 47705 illustrates this installation.  
 
I’ve been checking my archives for additional cars with the pressed steel end braces. These were very common on gondolas in the 1905-1915 years. I thought I saw them on D&LW and NYC box cars, but I don’t see these in my photo archive. I did find a partial view of a P&R/Reading XMp class box car with pressed steel end braces. It’s attached. Funaro & Camerlengo produced this prototype as a resin kit.
 
There were also cars with vertical pressed steel posts on the car ends. Some LV and B&O prototypes come to mind. Corrugated steel ends came into use and were widely implemented. Steel plate with internal vertical reinforcement was another step in progress.
 
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 
 
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Re: BR&P Boxcar End

Eric Hansmann
 

I suspect these pressed metal parts are part of the technological progress after the end truss rods that held the cars together. Ray Breyer authored a review of these truss rod end cars. The PDF can be downloaded from the Freight Car Fleets resource page on my blog.
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/freight-car-fleets/

 

From the truss rod ends, steel straps were the next step before the pressed steel. The attached view of Big Four 47705 illustrates this installation.  

 

I’ve been checking my archives for additional cars with the pressed steel end braces. These were very common on gondolas in the 1905-1915 years. I thought I saw them on D&LW and NYC box cars, but I don’t see these in my photo archive. I did find a partial view of a P&R/Reading XMp class box car with pressed steel end braces. It’s attached. Funaro & Camerlengo produced this prototype as a resin kit.

 

There were also cars with vertical pressed steel posts on the car ends. Some LV and B&O prototypes come to mind. Corrugated steel ends came into use and were widely implemented. Steel plate with internal vertical reinforcement was another step in progress.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] BR&P Boxcar End

 

Anyone have information on this style of end shown on this BR&P boxcar? Thanks! Bob Weston


Re: Preferred truck mounting on resin cars

Nelson Moyer
 

Why not use 2-56 and forget the filing.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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I've been using 4-40 x 1/4" machine screws.  I chuck them in a drill or motor tool and turn down the head slightly with a file. Also to remove any sharp edges under the head.

 

Gary Bechdol 

Stone Mountain, Ga 

 

 

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 1:54 PM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

Robert there are washers made for the situation you have described.  I have attached a photo; however, I do not know the manufacturer.

Lester Breuer


Re: Preferred truck mounting on resin cars

Nelson Moyer
 

Tichy KC and AB brake sprues have two plastic washers that work well on resin cars with a flat kingpin. Kadee fiber washers come in two thicknesses coded red and gray. You can also use metal washers.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 12:55 PM
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Robert there are washers made for the situation you have described.  I have attached a photo; however, I do not know the manufacturer.

Lester Breuer


Preferred truck mounting on resin cars

Andy Carlson
 


One other useful method that I have not seen mentioned yet is Evergreen plastic tubing, the O.D. being the desired size to fit inside a freight car truck. Drill a hole of this dimension vertically into the bolster king pin area. Clip off the tubing close to the desired height and finish with a file or as I do, the flat surface of a Dremel cut off disc. Self-tapping screw secures the truck and the tube locates the truck attachment in similar ways as the plastic Kadee pieces. This is also useful for fixing bolsters which have had their threads stripped.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Preferred truck mounting on resin cars

Eric Hansmann
 

On freight cars with a flat bolster area, such as those on nearly all resin freight car kits, I cut off part of a Kadee #5 coupler box as a sleeve. This acts as a stop for the screw and a pivot for the truck. It was featured on my blog a few years ago.
 
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 
 
 

On 08/09/2022 11:34 AM CDT Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
 
 
Hi there,
 
As I build my fleet, I have been using 2-56 screws directly into the bolster to mount trucks. Recently, on a RCW GN car I’m completing, I noticed that the pivot hole in the truck bolster is a fair amount larger in diameter than the screw. It seemed to me that a small sleeve around the screw might improve operation. A number of ideas came to mind. But I thought it would make sense to ask here - what is the preferred method other folks are using?
 
Rob
 


Re: Preferred truck mounting on resin cars

Todd Sullivan
 

I just recalled that one of the plastic parts sprues in Bowser kits has four (I think) of these 'tube washers'.  They also work, as I have used them in assembling many Bowser kits.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Kadee Self-Centering Trucks (was Preferred Truck Mounting on Resin Cars)

Joseph
 

Bob,
I used to agree with you. 
But then my eyesight is getting worse, my coordination has gone away and neuropathy has kicked in.  Any help rerailing cars is ok with me.  Of course if I didnt derail them to begin with….
Joe Binish
New Hope MN

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:26 PM Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks Kadee self-centering trucks are a lame solution looking for a problem? Is forcing straight truck alignment while placing a car on the tracks a big enough problem to prompt the disadvantage of a sloppy truck frame?

Love Kadee for everything else!

Regards,
Bob Chapman


Kadee Self-Centering Trucks (was Preferred Truck Mounting on Resin Cars)

Bob Chapman
 

Am I the only one that thinks Kadee self-centering trucks are a lame solution looking for a problem? Is forcing straight truck alignment while placing a car on the tracks a big enough problem to prompt the disadvantage of a sloppy truck frame?

Love Kadee for everything else!

Regards,
Bob Chapman


Re: Preferred truck mounting on resin cars

Gary Bechdol
 

I've been using 4-40 x 1/4" machine screws.  I chuck them in a drill or motor tool and turn down the head slightly with a file. Also to remove any sharp edges under the head.

Gary Bechdol 
Stone Mountain, Ga 


On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 1:54 PM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:
Robert there are washers made for the situation you have described.  I have attached a photo; however, I do not know the manufacturer.

Lester Breuer


Re: Sunshine UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car

Chuck Cover
 

Here are a couple of photos of this car, built up and on my layout.  Everyone can decide for themselves if the dome an acceptable size.  The car is a nice variation from most of the rest of my tank car fleet.  Since I model Milton, PA I need a good number of tank cars for the AC&F and Shipper Car Lines repair shops.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Preferred truck mounting on resin cars

Lester Breuer
 

Robert there are washers made for the situation you have described.  I have attached a photo; however, I do not know the manufacturer.

Lester Breuer


BR&P Boxcar End

Bob Weston
 

Anyone have information on this style of end shown on this BR&P boxcar? Thanks! Bob Weston


Re: Preferred truck mounting on resin cars

Todd Sullivan
 

Rob,

Many brands of model freight trucks have a large kingpin screw hole that will accommodate a boss on the bolster that helps keep the truck centered and acts as a stop for the truck screw.  The boss prevents the truck screw from being tightened up to the point where the truck no longer pivots. 

For my freight cars without a boss, I cut the center pivot off a Kadee coupler pocket lid and slip it over the screw.  It can also be glued onto the bolster centered on the kingpin screw hole, with CA if the bolster is resin, or plastic cement, if it is styrene.  The Kadee center pivot becomes, in effect, a shot tube which fits over the 2-56 screw, and allows the screw to be tightened up without binding the truck.

I hope this makes sense.  I'd be interested in others' solutions to the problem.

Todd Sullivan


Re: looking for brass freight cars on Ebay

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,
 
yes, unfortunately they finally made their search engine almost useless. I am still there though because of lack of an alternative - that means an alternative in size. ebay is a trade mark since decades, so it will be VERY difficult to convince enough people to go to another platform. Keith Wiseman tried that two or three times during the last couple years.
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
 
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Steve

Wow, you're right they've really screwed it up. I haven't tried to sell on Ebay for over two years and I guess
I won't be using it any time soon.

However, I did an 'advanced search' for OMI [Overland] BRASS (material checklist) and HO (another checklist item)
and with those filters it found a small number of Overland brass auctions. Same with W&R and ORIENTAL as the search
term. I'm sure these are not the only listings, but at least I didn't get 10,000 or more ridiculous results.

In a sign that Ebay doesn't even believe in their OWN searches, at the bottom of the page they show GOOGLE search
results for your search terms !! What a bunch of amateurs run that place now. Since I see Youtube ads frequently for
automobile auctions for Ebay, they've obviously opted to cater to big ticket items and just let everybody else fend for
themselves.

It's time to find another auction site, and move all model railroaders over there !!! :-D


On 8/9/2022 6:50 AM, up4479 wrote:

If it were only that simple.  I just tried Tim's suggestion and got lots of returns but little brass. This has been going on for several months.   Several years ago eBay took away the "brass imports" category.  It was an effort to put more items in the search returns.  Several months ago, they changed the search again in order to increase the amount of items in a search return.  Someone upstairs decided that narrow searches were a bad thing.  EBay search is now almost completely useless for searches like HO brass models.  The returns are so numerous that you have to spend a ridiculous amount of time scrolling to find your items.  That is what a specific search is supposed to eliminate.   Another search I used to use was just the word custom in HO scale.  The returns were in the 600 to 700 range.  It was easy to keep up if you searched daily.  I just ran that search and got 12000 returns, almost none had anything custom about them.  All the searches for items like resin kits, plastic kits or almost anything else we would normally search for have a ridiculous amount of non related returns that make searching almost pointless. I'm going to work on a steam era model.   
Steve Solombrino


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Preferred truck mounting on resin cars

Robert kirkham
 

Hi there,

As I build my fleet, I have been using 2-56 screws directly into the bolster to mount trucks. Recently, on a RCW GN car I’m completing, I noticed that the pivot hole in the truck bolster is a fair amount larger in diameter than the screw. It seemed to me that a small sleeve around the screw might improve operation. A number of ideas came to mind. But I thought it would make sense to ask here - what is the preferred method other folks are using?

Rob


Re: PAINTING WHEEL SETS

Clarence Zink
 

I have a set of 4 soil sieves I got years ago from a "science house", and use the finest sifting as 'dust' for a variety of applications.  I've used crushed up rust from a forgings bin at work, and dirt from my yard that was suitably treated in my gas grill to neutralize organic matter.  (Don't let it get too hot, or heat  too long, it will start to smell like coal.)

Once your wheel faces (with axle ends taped off) and backs are painted and dry, give each wheel face/back a little shot of dull coat or cheap hair spray, and sprinkle on a little "dust".  It doesn't take much spray, just enough to barely moisten the surface.  Too much will make it all muddy looking.

Then, when that is dry, brush off the loose material, clean up the axle points and wheel rims, treads and flanges, and install.

Best,

CRZ


Re: looking for brass freight cars on Ebay

Bill J.
 

Same problem!

I’ll try suggestions below!

bill jolitz 


Re: [MFCL] [RealSTMFC] Hubert Mask

dh30973
 

I also was just communicating with Hubert. Before Collinsville I asked  him for a re-supply of the Soo decals he made for one of my gondola kits, but didn’t hear back. At the show he brought them by my table. I later asked him for 10 sets of the DRGW decals, he only had seven left. When we were settling up he realized that gon would also work for Rock and wanted a kit, but I had sold out. Last week he emailed for dimensions so he could make those decals. Over the weekend I sent him the file, but never heard back. 

Like others have said, he was a great story teller, and wonderful person. I will miss him. 

Dave Hussey 
Cannon and Company 


On Aug 8, 2022, at 8:23 PM, Tim O'Connor via groups.io <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Oh no!! I was just emailing back & forth with Hubert a couple of days ago. I am so sad to hear this. :-(


On 8/8/2022 10:34 PM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:
I just learned Hubert Mask, owner of Mark Island decals, passed away this afternoon.  I know many of this list bought decals from him and I was fortunate to hang out with him at the Collinsville RPM and he did many decal sets for the MPHS. Hubert had a great time at the show.  He was a RI and ATSF special agent before he retired.  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Hubert Mask

 

That hit me like a ton of bricks! This is so sad. Hubert and I were pretty good friends. I met him initially at Walt's Hobby Shop, when he was just getting started on his decal line. I immediately bought the first two offerings. I later met him at the Chicagoland RPM. He and my wife got along great,she would always sit and talk with him while I was shopping around. Hubert and I would exchange phone numbers and would soon be talking about once a month. We always talked railroad. He had some great stories about his days as a special agent. I helped spawn new products with him, getting photo's and background info on the subject at hand.

He will be sorely missed. He was so fun and presentable,
God Bless you Hubert and my prayers go out to your family.

Rich Christie

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 08:30:38 AM CDT, David Forbes via groups.io <altamontc_ei@...> wrote:


So sorry to learn of this news.  

When I first joined the leadership of the C&EI HS around 2010, my first project was to have Hubert Mask make passenger decals for our society.  The success of that project led to many more collaborations with Hubert and kicked off a mini revival of C&EI modeling.  He was always a great guy to talk with and correspond with.  He will be missed.

David Forbes

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