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Re: UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car
Norm Buckhart
On Aug 6, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Jeff Helm <jeff.helm.60@...> wrote:
norm buckhart, protocraft decals
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Re: Brick Load
Philip Dove
I thought Cairo was the southern most tip of Illinois.
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Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?
nyc3001 .
The new RCW 8k X-3 kit seems to have the same description as the 6.5k X-3 kit; one of the issues with the Sunshine 6.5k tank was the the dome was too small.
Was the Sunshine 8k dome too small as well? -Phil Lee
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Price reduced:Offered new IMRC various roads 40' PS-1 boxcars huge discount
Andy Carlson
New price is $150, which works out to $25 each well below my cost. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA Hello- I have a 6-car set of the released this month (July 2022) Intermountain HO 40' box cars. 45425 Mississippi Central  45426 Port Huron & Detroit  45427 Central RR of NJ  45428  45429 Lake Superior & Ishpeming  45465 Frisco  MSRP is $42.95 each, or $257.70 for the set of 6. My price is $162, which is a discount of $95.70. Buyer to pay $20 USPS Priority Mail shipping to the US. I have just one set of these 6-pack. Contact me off-list for this offer at <midcentury@...> I accept checks and MOs. With a small fee PayPal is welcomed. Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Re: Bobber 2 Axle caboose late usage
Charlie Vlk
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I would be interested in learning more about the NP bobbers based on the Q design. From the photo it looks more like a 20’ NE1 than the 25’ NE2. The NE2 was the one that appeared in MR in a 1954 article on building one in O Scale with J. Harold Geisel drawings. No NE2s survive; but there is a NE1 sans original running gear. Charlie Vlk
On Aug 6, 2022, at 10:49 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
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Re: UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car
Jeff Helm
Nice photo Tim! Thank you for sharing. PQ Corporation still exists, and sodium silicate is a great example of a high specific gravity liquid (1.3 to 1.5 x heavier than water, depending on concentration). Also called water glass, it has uses in many industries, including the paper industry and agriculture, and was widely shipped by rail. As Tim notes, many acids and other chemical liquids are substantially more dense than water or petroleum. -- Jeff Helm
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Re: UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car
There are liquids that are far heavier than water and petroleum. You can probably find out a lot online about chemicals without consulting any tank car information. On 8/6/2022 6:35 PM, Chuck Cover wrote:
I recently built a Sunshine #62.5 UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car. I was wondering if these smaller cars were used for any special/unique commodities or whether they were used in general service as most of the larger tanks cars were? I did not see any information about special uses in the paperwork that came with the kit nor in Essential Freight Cars:12 article. Thanks --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Brick Load
It in fact is a brand name and here is some more history. I'd be intrigued how they stacked and loaded them . . . but labor was cheap. https://www.semissourian.com/blogs/pavementends/entry/47195 NGMC
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UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car
Chuck Cover
I recently built a Sunshine #62.5 UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car. I was wondering if these smaller cars were used for any special/unique commodities or whether they were used in general service as most of the larger tanks cars were? I did not see any information about special uses in the paperwork that came with the kit nor in Essential Freight Cars:12 article. Thanks
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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Re: SOU 36 foot truss rod box car
Yes, I see the number now , 340254 is what I read so that is from the later series built in 1930 (340200-340299) actually they went from 340000-340999. Southern owned 5750 of these cars. Some were later converted to pulpwood racks. Fenton
On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 2:22 PM Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote: BRHS_467_1_1901 crop boxcars --
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Re: SOU 36 foot truss rod box car
Yes the second car is the furniture car, the one Sunshine made the 40 ft double sheathed (148000-149999)
On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 2:15 PM milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...> wrote:
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Re: SOU 36 foot truss rod box car
Hudson Leighton
BRHS_467_1_1901 crop boxcars
-Hudson
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D&RGW stock car kits
Pierre Oliver
Good day all
The D&RGW stock car kits are now on the website, http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/Home/Index and available for purchase -- Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
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Re: SOU 36 foot truss rod box car
Chance you can save a better copy of the scan say "TIF" might be able to zoom in better. Looks like both "far cars" might be Southern. Left does look like a Hutchins end. Gordon
-- You can't debate with someone who isn't even listening to your point.
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Re: Brick Load
Jeffrey White
I live in "Little Egypt" well to be technical, about 5 miles
north of the "Gateway to Little Egypt". Local lore says the
Little Egypt name for Southern Illinois originated during the
drought and heatwaves in the 1930s. That seems to be past the
date of the photo. A lot of businesses in the area are named
Egyptian __________ In Salem there was Egyptian Concrete. They
made cast concrete products and were served by the B&O in our
era (later CSX until CSX shut the line down several years ago).
"Little Egypt" was a much bigger thing during the era of this list
then it is today although Salem still has a Little Egypt Festival
and Parade the first Saturday in October. Jeff White Alma IL On 8/6/2022 12:20 PM, David Smith
wrote:
Looks like that might have been a trademark of that brick company. https://thatwasourwork.tumblr.com/post/21018853984/murphysboro-paving-brick-company-egyptian-block/amp
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Re: Brick Load
Looks like that might have been a trademark of that brick company. https://thatwasourwork.tumblr.com/post/21018853984/murphysboro-paving-brick-company-egyptian-block/amp
Dave Smith (just home from a week of looking at lots of Egyptian bricks (not this kind) in Cairo (not the one in Illinois))
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Re: Bobber 2 Axle caboose late usage
Eric Hansmann
John,
Thanks for sharing that file and info. Very interesting. I also see the wording of the North Dakota caboose law you presented in bold is similar to the wording of the 1913 Ohio law. In the later sections of the Ohio law, a compliance date in 1919 was noted. What was the compliance date for the ND law?
The 1907 accident splintering the four-wheel dinkey caboose was one of many incidents that pushed railroads to upgrade cabooses with steel center sills and order new cabooses with steel center sills.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of np328
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 1:30 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Bobber 2 Axle caboose late usage
Eric, The inspector who investigated this complaint found as follows, "I find that box cars in an old and worn-out condition, are in general use as cabooses. These cars have no cupolas and crews required to ride in them have no way of watching their train while in motion. It is a fact, that the cars are cold, dingy, and unsafe."(B) This same letter also called attention to an accident in the fall of 1907 at Klamath, WA, where a four- wheel dinkey caboose, being struck by another train from behind, was reduced to splinters. A conductor who was in the caboose at the time was pinned in the wreckage. Very quickly fire from a stove in the caboose spread through the wreckage, burning the conductor to death. This later event led to the Montana "Dinkey Caboose Law". Legislation of the same spread to Washington, Wisconsin, and North Dakota. (C) The North Dakota Law, House Bill 169 of the 1921 session stated that "Railroads furnish cabooses to be at least 24 feet in length, exclusive of platform, equipped with two four wheel trucks; the center sill to be constructed of steel. (D) (B) Letter, of Jan. 14, 1908; NP Rwy Co. files, Presidents Subject Files 1387C Minesota Historical Society (C) Letter, to W. Wallace, NP Div Council, Helena, MT from Attorney General, MT.; NP Rwy. - in files of President Howard Elliott; MHS (D) Letter, of May 13, 1921; PSF 1387C, NP Rwy. MHS
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Kit update
Eric Hansmann
Three new kits and a few older kits are now available from Resin Car Works. The latest blog post has more info. http://blog.resincarworks.com/august-rcw-kit-update/Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Re: Bobber 2 Axle caboose late usage
np328
Eric,
thank you for bringing this to my attention. I looked at prior data and I was in error on those dates. The wreck I mentioned was in 1907. Here is an exert from an article I wrote some time ago. (2008) The inspector who investigated this complaint found as follows, "I find that box cars in an old and worn-out condition, are in general use as cabooses. These cars have no cupolas and crews required to ride in them have no way of watching their train while in motion. It is a fact, that the cars are cold, dingy, and unsafe."(B) This same letter also called attention to an accident in the fall of 1907 at Klamath, WA, where a four- wheel dinkey caboose, being struck by another train from behind, was reduced to splinters. A conductor who was in the caboose at the time was pinned in the wreckage. Very quickly fire from a stove in the caboose spread through the wreckage, burning the conductor to death. This later event led to the Montana "Dinkey Caboose Law". Legislation of the same spread to Washington, Wisconsin, and North Dakota. (C) The North Dakota Law, House Bill 169 of the 1921 session stated that "Railroads furnish cabooses to be at least 24 feet in length, exclusive of platform, equipped with two four wheel trucks; the center sill to be constructed of steel. (D) (B) Letter, of Jan. 14, 1908; NP Rwy Co. files, Presidents Subject Files 1387C Minesota Historical Society (C) Letter, to W. Wallace, NP Div Council, Helena, MT from Attorney General, MT.; NP Rwy. - in files of President Howard Elliott; MHS (D) Letter, of May 13, 1921; PSF 1387C, NP Rwy. MHS
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Was: Triple dome tank cars
np328
I had wondered about triple dome tanks also and where prototypically I might use the several single, two, and three, dome tank cars I had bought from SC&F purchased earlier other than overhead traffic. That in addition to several Sunshine tank cars. [Interesting fact: Presenting at an early Sunshine Naperville meet, Tricia offered to pay me (for presenting,) and I asked, Might I get paid in Sunshine cars instead of cash? The reply from Tricia was an emphatic Yes! in reply. It was Saturday morning so while the stock was partially depleted, a good selection was still available. On Thursday eve, I had rushed the room with many of you, so I had my "must haves". I looked around and found many cars that interested me, and off I walked with a full armload of Sunshine models that were an even sweeter deal than the cash.] And no, none at this time are for sale.
I had posted to another group this collection: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/coll/item/2004678115/ Here it is with the grouping open: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=LOT%201125&fi=number&op=PHRASE&va=exact&co!=coll&sg=true&st=gallery And this grouping is presented for your perusal. Dated 1939-1941, it is chock full of single sheathed boxcars, boxcar roofs, several shots of an L&N ya'all boxcar - showing grain inspection being done, a RI SS truss rod boxcar next to an Ann Arbor SS, (plenty of grain doors in the foreground), several photos of two track vest-pocket engines houses, and yards, and yards full of Steam Freight car photos. In the group, four across and two down is a photo marked Coalyard, Minneapolis here: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017718340/resource/ On the left are a string of tank cars of various sizes, and one triple dome. An early Minneapolis landmark, the Foshay tower is above the locomotive tender. And of the steam locomotive, it appears to be a Chicago Great Western emblem. From the sun cast, this might be north-east of Minneapolis towards the Minneapolis/St. Paul border just north of University Avenue. Now under an office park. And Rand Boyd covered several models in his March 1987 RMC article. However, I was surprised to see the 3-dome car. In reflection back to the original thread, my sentiments once I viewed a photo (with little trouble) of the offering, matches Bruce's. So, after you have grabbed your favorite beverage and opened the Lot above, Lot 1125 and found images like this: Empty freight car, truck, grain elevator, Minneapolis, Minnesota (loc.gov) (Does anyone offer a decal like this?) This looks to be a Canadian Car (or Soo Line possibly?) Note the trust paint in this photo: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017809731/resource/ Plug in 1126 to the Lot number and find more cars to view: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=LOT+1126&sp=1&st=gallery A nice side view of a coal loader, and if you found the photo of the coal loader and it does not match your Walthers model, the Walthers model is different, and accurate. See the attached photo. Lehigh Valley DS boxcar here in the Twin Cities next to an NP box noticeably higher. https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017809856/resource/ For my part, the NP box is in a 1918 class of 500 cars with a 10 foot inside height and all will be retired prior to 1950. Anyone want to take a stab at IDing the LV car? Find in this grouping a load of farm tractors with rigging and blocking example ready for you to model: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017809858/resource/ In the photo of a flatcar load of corn shuckers, I find the interior of a drop bottom gondola in the lower left more interesting: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017809859/resource/ For those that have the Westerfield CMSP&P composite gondolas: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017718328/resource/ Anyway, plenty STMFC content to see here. By John Vashon, and others. James Dick - Roseville, MN
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