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Re: Detail parts availability
Scott H. Haycock
Details west;
I can't find Detail Associates online. If you know your parts numbers, Google them- you may get lucky!
Scott Haycock
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Re: Detail parts availability
lrkdbn
Can someone provide a good contact for both DA and DW?
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Re: Rapido single sheathed box cars
That was my concern too Bruce - Hence the reason for my caution in using that image for colour comparison. I think I can see undertones of a brown here and there, particularly around the door, so the possibility it is a very sooty version of the brown colour is at not inconceivable to me. But it is such a distant image, it is hard to do much to manipulate (at least with the software i have access to).
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Ideally we could find a colour photo of a USRA car in the earlier colour paint for reference. But i’ve had no luck so far . . . Rob On Oct 7, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote: Interesting. My 1st impression is that this was a green C-16 express car... Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 12:13 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido single sheathed box cars
Rob <master-pnp-fsac-1a34000-1a34600-1a34659u.jpeg> On Oct 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote: Thanks for posting this Bruce. I was doing similar research last night. Another couple of snippets from Delano images are attached. I’m being cautious about the second shot, as i wonder whether it is a completely different paint colour, or the brown weathered in a weird way/photographed in weird light? Thing is the NYC car looks fine. <master-pnp-fsac-1a34000-1a34700-1a34718u.tiff><master-pnp-fsac-1a34000-1a34600-1a34659u.tiff> Also, a snip from the 1946 movie “meeting the Challenge"<Screen Shot 2022-10-05 at 5.01.46 PM.png> I stripped the paint off one of my PRR X31s last night, as I want to duplicate more of a well worn look, which is difficult with the PRR FCC applied in the factory. A 99% alcohol bath and scrubbing with an artists bristle paint brush did the job. So I suppose that too could be done on the USRA cars, but i am hoping to avoid that. I think with washes and other weathering (like you suggest), i can make the underlying paint colour work. Rob On Oct 7, 2022, at 6:59 AM, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote: Rob, You mentioned the B&O USRA model, be aware that several folks on the B&O .IO Group have raised a concern about this color not being very accurate. I agree with their assessment, it appears more like OD Green than the brown I have seen in the limited number of color photos of B&O brown boxcars. I have attached some photos, the model by itself was after some black pin wash was added around the steel parts, it was shot in sunlight. The other shots are with both commercial products and my own painted resin kits on my layout under 5000k LED lights. And the prototype photo is a Delano from the LOC. The contrast in color is easy to see. I am going to try airbrushing with clear matte tinted with red brown. |
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Re: Wabash HO Box Cars for early to mid 1950s?
Matt Smith
Victor,
I'm out of town for work but I have the April and October 1951 ORER. I can post them in a few days when I get home. -- Matt Smith Bloomington, IL |
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Re: Rapido single sheathed box cars
Interesting. My 1st impression is that this was a green C-16 express car...
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 12:13 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido single sheathed box cars
Rob
 On Oct 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Thanks for posting this Bruce. I was doing similar research last night. Another couple of snippets from Delano images are attached. I’m being cautious about the second shot, as i wonder
whether it is a completely different paint colour, or the brown weathered in a weird way/photographed in weird light? Thing is the NYC car looks fine.
<master-pnp-fsac-1a34000-1a34700-1a34718u.tiff><master-pnp-fsac-1a34000-1a34600-1a34659u.tiff>
Also, a snip from the 1946 movie “meeting the Challenge"<Screen Shot 2022-10-05 at 5.01.46 PM.png>
I stripped the paint off one of my PRR X31s last night, as I want to duplicate more of a well worn look, which is difficult with the PRR FCC applied in the factory. A 99% alcohol bath and scrubbing with an artists bristle paint brush did the
job. So I suppose that too could be done on the USRA cars, but i am hoping to avoid that. I think with washes and other weathering (like you suggest), i can make the underlying paint colour work.
Rob
On Oct 7, 2022, at 6:59 AM, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:
Rob, You mentioned the B&O USRA model, be aware that several folks on the B&O .IO Group have raised a concern about this color not being very accurate. I agree with their assessment, it appears more like OD Green than the brown I have seen in the limited number of color photos of B&O brown boxcars. I have attached some photos, the model by itself was after some black pin wash was added around the steel parts, it was shot in sunlight. The other shots are with both commercial products and my own painted resin kits on my layout under 5000k LED
lights. And the prototype photo is a Delano from the LOC. The contrast in color is easy to see. I am going to try airbrushing with clear matte tinted with red brown. Best Regards, |
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Re: Books for sale
Scott H. Haycock
Once again I apologize, Too many things going on at once.
Scott Haycock
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Re: Books for sale
Scott H. Haycock
I apologize for the delay-I was in the middle of....
As I wrote, I'm interested in The Frisco color guide, The copy of RPC 15, and, now that I've had a minute to look at your list, I'd like the copy of Freight Cars in Context, if still available.
PP F&F is fine with me. My zip code is 87110.
Scott Haycock
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Re: Books for sale
Scott H. Haycock
Apologies, This was meant to go off-list.
Scott Haycock
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Re: Books for sale
Scott H. Haycock
I'm interested in the Frisco color guide and the RPC 15. I'm busy right this minute, but I'll re-confirm my interest in a bit.
Scott Haycock
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Books for sale
bnpmodeler
Hi all, pardon the intrusion. I still have a good bunch of books left from the last sale looking for good homes. Prices as listed, some reduced, offers entertained, please respond by email ONLY to <bnchmark63_AT_comcast_DOT_net> with your zip or post code for a quote. Thanks for looking!
James Harr High Bridge, NJ
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Morning Sun, $15.00 each:
Union Pacific Trackside Chicago, Burlington & Quincy in Color Vol. 2 Milwaukee Road in Color Vol. 2 Frisco in Color
Other publishers, hardbound, $15.00 each: Conrail Commodities (Taylor)
Railway Prototype Cyclopedias (Hawkins/Wider etc), $25.00: Volume 15
Speedwitch Media titles: Freight Cars in Context, Volume 1 ($15.00)
Train Shed Cyclopedias ($4.00 each, Lot of 8 $25.00) Nos. 3, 12, 35,36, 46, 48, 61, 62,
Miscellaneous soft-cover titles (prices as noted): Union Pacific Modeler, Vol. 2 (Metcalfe, $5.00) Roaring U50s, Union Pacific's Twin Diesels (Keekley, $5.00) Model Railroading with Athearn Locomotives and Cars, Vol. 1 (Schleicher, $5.00) Model Railroading's Guide to Modeling and Detailing Diesels (Lee, $5.00) Painting and Weathering Railroad Models (Kalmbach, $5.00) Baltimore & Ohio E-Unit Diesel Passenger Locomotives (Nuckles, $10.00) The Delaware, Lackawanna & Western RR Classification of Freight Equip. (ELHS $10.00) One Track, Erie Railroad stories of George O'Brien (O'Brien, $10.00) Illustrated Book of Steam and Rail (Barnes & Noble, $5.00) Steam, Steel & Stars (O. Winston Link, $10.00) Equipment of the Delaware & Hudson, Vol. 2, Steam Locos (Bobs Photos, 5.00)
Notes: PayPal friends and Family preferred, postage extra; ALL titles shipped USPS Media Mail (or Priority Mail on request), shipped from High Bridge, NJ 08829. Unless otherwise indicated, ALL titles in excellent condition with minor shelf wear, from a smoke-free home.
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BRAKE COMPONENT LOCATIONS
WILLIAM PARDIE
I was just examining a recently purchase of a Milwaukee 40 ft rib sided boxcar from Exactarail. I am quite pleased with the model, however, I noticed a rather unique arrangement (to me) of the brake components. All three components are on the same side of the center sill. I was aware that the Milwaukee used this arrangement. What seemed unique is that the triple valve was on the outer edge of the underbody and the brake reservoir was directly between the triple valve and the center sill. Milwaukee apparently used various locations for the components on their rib sided cars. On the 50' version the brake cylinder and the air reservoiare on one side and the triple valve on thr other. It took quite a while of studying photos to determine thuis. Does anyone have a underbody diagram that would validate the placement of the parts on the 40' car? Thanks in advance. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone |
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Re: Rapido single sheathed box cars
Dennis Storzek
It's black soot, Rob. It doesn't look greenish to me.
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Re: Weathering
Eric Hansmann
Thanks, Charlie. I’ve come to believe weathering is all about layers of material and color.
I always encourage modelers to keep weathering stuff. Don't just weather one car and wait six to eight months to do another. You don’t retain the info you learned. Do two or three models at a time. Then do another batch the next week. And more after that. It’s not like most of us don’t have extra freight cars that need to be weathered.
You can't expect to improve if you aren't doing the task frequently.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 6:32 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Weathering
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Re: Rapido single sheathed box cars
I see Groups IO didn’t like the TIF format for the 2nd image, so i’m trying again with a jpeg.
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Rob  On Oct 7, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote: Thanks for posting this Bruce. I was doing similar research last night. Another couple of snippets from Delano images are attached. I’m being cautious about the second shot, as i wonder whether it is a completely different paint colour, or the brown weathered in a weird way/photographed in weird light? Thing is the NYC car looks fine.
<master-pnp-fsac-1a34000-1a34700-1a34718u.tiff><master-pnp-fsac-1a34000-1a34600-1a34659u.tiff> Also, a snip from the 1946 movie “meeting the Challenge"<Screen Shot 2022-10-05 at 5.01.46 PM.png> I stripped the paint off one of my PRR X31s last night, as I want to duplicate more of a well worn look, which is difficult with the PRR FCC applied in the factory. A 99% alcohol bath and scrubbing with an artists bristle paint brush did the job. So I suppose that too could be done on the USRA cars, but i am hoping to avoid that. I think with washes and other weathering (like you suggest), i can make the underlying paint colour work. Rob On Oct 7, 2022, at 6:59 AM, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote: Rob, You mentioned the B&O USRA model, be aware that several folks on the B&O .IO Group have raised a concern about this color not being very accurate. I agree with their assessment, it appears more like OD Green than the brown I have seen in the limited number of color photos of B&O brown boxcars. I have attached some photos, the model by itself was after some black pin wash was added around the steel parts, it was shot in sunlight. The other shots are with both commercial products and my own painted resin kits on my layout under 5000k LED lights. And the prototype photo is a Delano from the LOC. The contrast in color is easy to see. I am going to try airbrushing with clear matte tinted with red brown. Best Regards, |
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Re: Rapido single sheathed box cars
Thanks for posting this Bruce. I was doing similar research last night. Another couple of snippets from Delano images are attached. I’m being cautious about the second shot, as i wonder whether it is a completely different paint colour, or the brown weathered in a weird way/photographed in weird light? Thing is the NYC car looks fine.
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  Also, a snip from the 1946 movie “meeting the Challenge"  I stripped the paint off one of my PRR X31s last night, as I want to duplicate more of a well worn look, which is difficult with the PRR FCC applied in the factory. A 99% alcohol bath and scrubbing with an artists bristle paint brush did the job. So I suppose that too could be done on the USRA cars, but i am hoping to avoid that. I think with washes and other weathering (like you suggest), i can make the underlying paint colour work. Rob On Oct 7, 2022, at 6:59 AM, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote: Rob, You mentioned the B&O USRA model, be aware that several folks on the B&O .IO Group have raised a concern about this color not being very accurate. I agree with their assessment, it appears more like OD Green than the brown I have seen in the limited number of color photos of B&O brown boxcars. I have attached some photos, the model by itself was after some black pin wash was added around the steel parts, it was shot in sunlight. The other shots are with both commercial products and my own painted resin kits on my layout under 5000k LED lights. And the prototype photo is a Delano from the LOC. The contrast in color is easy to see. I am going to try airbrushing with clear matte tinted with red brown. Best Regards, |
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Re: ATSF Flat Cars
An ATSF Ft-M as built.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Stephen Dolezal <sdolezal04@...>
Interesting photo of a flat car that took a bit of research to identify.
1. Santa Fe work cars had the first letter of car classification changed to "W" from the revenue car class. Wt-16 stencilling implies Ft-16. Ft-16s were drawbar connected Ft-M flatcars used in TOFC service. About 202 Ft-Ms were converted into 101 Ft-16s beginning in 1958. 2. The 40'0" length stencilled is incorrect and confusing. Ft-Ms were 44'6". 3. Stake pocket numbers and positions match Ft-M photos. The double vertical rivet rows appear to match also. 4. The stencilled 1924 build date is correct for the 500 car Ft-M class. 5. There was a 200 car Ft-L class of 50'0" length built in 1924 with fishbelly side sills but the stake pockets are located differently and there are no double vertical river rows.
This is an Ft-M that avoided the lengthening to 53'6" and application of bulkheads of the early 50's that some of these cars experienced. It later became a drawbar connected TOFC car.
The original number series was 97001-97500. 469 of the original 500 were in the January 1953 ORER.
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Re: Detail parts availability
Be aware that DA and DW likely have the parts. Walthers, for whatever reason, often fails to restock. Contact them directly.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert J Miller CFA <cajonpass1995@...>
Yes, they are both still in business.
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Raymond Stern
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 11:25 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Detail parts availability
Can someone tell me if Detail Associates and Details West are |
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Re: Detail parts availability
Robert J Miller CFA
Yes, they are both still in business.
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Raymond Stern
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 11:25 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Detail parts availability
Can someone tell me if Detail Associates and Details West are |
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Detail parts availability
Raymond Stern
Can someone tell me if Detail Associates and Details West are
still in business and filling current orders? I have had a couple of Detail Associates items backordered through WKW since 2016 and 2018. Thank you. You can respond off list if you want. Raymond |
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Re: Rapido single sheathed box cars
Rob, You mentioned the B&O USRA model, be aware that several folks on the B&O .IO Group have raised a concern about this color not being very accurate. I agree with their assessment, it appears more like OD Green than the brown I have seen in the limited number of color photos of B&O brown boxcars. I have attached some photos, the model by itself was after some black pin wash was added around the steel parts, it was shot in sunlight. The other shots are with both commercial products and my own painted resin kits on my layout under 5000k LED lights. And the prototype photo is a Delano from the LOC. The contrast in color is easy to see. I am going to try airbrushing with clear matte tinted with red brown. Best Regards,
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