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Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106
David
Aside from the scale, the car itself is interesting in a number of ways. It appears to be a late 1920s ARA derivative, but with 6+6 panel sides and an extension around the roof to raise the inside height. There may also be a bracket for an end door on the A-end.
David Thompson
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Re: Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106
Todd Sullivan
The reason for having two sets of rails across a scale (one live set for weighing, and one 'dead' set that are unattached to the scale mechanism) is that running cars and locos over the live rails at switching speeds eventually causes the scale to go out of calibration. That's because each wheel set tends to 'bang' on and off the live rails at their ends. That's bad, because you can't accurately weigh anything until the next visit of the scale test car and calibration crew. Re calibrating a scale costs money, and it causes money and inconvenience if your scale isn't working to weigh cars going into (e.g., as empties) and out of (as loads) the industries you serve.
Note that, in this photo, the scale track appears to be located on a short siding, so that locos and cars can pass around the scale instead of over it, if the cars are not being weighed. Todd Sullivan Who once knew how to weigh cars, and once did it wrong, causing about 6 empty gondolas to be reweighed. I forgot to estimate the weight of the dunnage in each car, and to deduct it from the empty weight, as recorded by the scale on the scale ticket. My supervisor was not amused.
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Re: Brick Load
Guy Wilber
Bob wrote:
“One of 47 Illinois Central box cars loaded with Egyptian bricks circa 1927 in Murphysboro, IL. Egyptian bricks were also used in in the construction of the Panama Canal. Notice Fox trucks.” Publicity photo. The car definitely would have been stripped of the banners before rolling towards its destination — especially if the 1927 date is accurate. Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada
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Re: Photo: Receiving International Harvester Crawlers At The Great Northern Paper Company
Guy Wilber
Bob Chaparro wrote:
“Eric Kurowski commented: “My AAR top load manual shows crawler equipment had bolts though the track that went through the deck. It was one of many acceptable ways.” Unfortunately, he didn’t cite the year for the manual.” Eric later claimed this “information” came from a copy of the 1947 Open Top Rules. He’s definitely misinterpreting the rules and/or the diagram (172) covering the loading and securing of track mounted equipment including bulldozers. No such provision existed for using bolts passing through the tracks to secure a load. Additionally, a friend pointed out that the International pickup at the end of the dock appears to be a 1953 or 1954 model. The loading method within the photo matches the revisions within the 1952 Pamphlet No. MD-6 Rules (Figure 51) for machines weighing 25,000 pounds or less. Again, wood blocking and chocks with no wire securement being required. Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada
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Milwaukee Road SS Box Cars 716862 and 717024
Lester Breuer
I built and upgraded Milwaukee Road (MILW) single-sheathed (SS) box cars 716862 and 717024 with information and photo help from others. I upgraded these cars with the usual detail parts such as wire grabs and unusual such as the early Klasing power brake. If you are interested in the build of these MILW SS box cars , photos and writeup of the build process including painting, lettering and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:
http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/
Lester Breuer
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Need help contacting an individual
Pierre Oliver
Can anyone who knows James Platt from Minnetonka, MN, contact me off list with James' correct email.
I'm trying to respond to him and his email address bounces back to me Thanks -- Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
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Re: Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106
gary laakso
Plus, some nice looking dents in the bottom end panel.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 10:50 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106
Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106 Photo from Morning Sun Books: Appears to be only one pair of rails for this track scale. Not unheard of. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Brick Load
james murrie
The label "Egyptian bricks" on the photo may refer to the fact that southern Illinois has historically been referred to "Little Eqypt". Witness the towns of Cairo, Thebes, etc. Even the Southern Illinois University mascot is the Saluki, one of several breeds that can trace its lineage back to the ancient Egyptians.
Jim Murrie Durham NC
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Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106
Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106 Photo from Morning Sun Books: Appears to be only one pair of rails for this track scale. Not unheard of. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Brick Load
Brick Load Photo courtesy of R.J. Ihle on the Facebook Railroad Images of Bygone Days group. He comments: “One of 47 Illinois Central box cars loaded with Egyptian bricks circa 1927 in Murphysboro, IL. Egyptian bricks were also used in in the construction of the Panama Canal.” Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Triple dome tank cars
Jim,
As for the accuracy of these cars? They are not up to my standards. YMMV.
Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek <jvgbvg@...>
Looking at the ad, there is a GATX-marked car, and a UTLX-marked car. Would both companies have had cars of the same design.
And is this model an accurate representation of a three-compartment car?
Jim van Gaasbeek Irvine, CA
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Alexander Schneider Jr
The NYCSHS Company Store is advertising Walthers triple dome tank cars, with a photo of a solid NYC freight train of tank cars, probably wartime. The cars in the photo are single dome.
Other than wartime emergencies when they used anything available, weren't triple domes used for deliveries of small lots of multiple petroleum products to local dealers? Presumably these would have been individual cars in a mixed freight train, not solid trains of similar cars.
Hazmat rules are stricter now, but I would hope even then that products that react violently together, or produce something toxic when mixed, wouldn't be loaded in the same car. E.g. acids and bases or nitric acid and glycerin. Alex Schneider
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Re: Triple dome tank cars
Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
Here is the original E-Mail notification:
You have to have a login and password to get to their online shop. But the E-Mail provides enough info, I believe.
Jim van Gaasbeek Irvine, CA
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 9:19 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Triple dome tank cars
Alex,
I don’t see the photo you mentioned… can you provide a link?
The NYCHS basically decided to become a competitor of other on-line hobby shops. Accuracy has never been a big issue with them and I see that they are offering UTLX, GATX, Culf and Sonoco cars. The cars themselves are crudely detailed, and appear to be GATC built cars. It appears that they were built as 3 compartment cars, as opposed to being converted to such, due to the equal sized domes. As such, they are a pretty rare car when compared to the rest of the fleet.
As we discussed in another tank car thread, the type of train these cars would be seen in would depend on where in their transit they were. They could be seen in solid trains of tank cars that were either being delivered to, or picked up from, a refinery. From there, they would be split up and since these were often to deliver multiple refined products to either one or a few customers, yes, they would be mixed in with other types of freight cars.
During WWII, their primary use would have been hauling crude, as part of complete trains of tank cars.
As I note above, their typical (non-WWII) use would have been deliveries of LCL amounts of refined product to a dealer or multiple dealers. The PRR had several 3 compartment tanks in company service, hauling used crankcase oil to a reclamation plant, and reclaimed oil back to engine houses. In that case, the compartments were used to segregate clean and dirty oil so that the car did not have to be cleaned between trips. As such, it only ever ran about ½ full.
Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Alexander Schneider Jr <aschneiderjr@...>
The NYCSHS Company Store is advertising Walthers triple dome tank cars, with a photo of a solid NYC freight train of tank cars, probably wartime. The cars in the photo are single dome.
Other than wartime emergencies when they used anything available, weren't triple domes used for deliveries of small lots of multiple petroleum products to local dealers? Presumably these would have been individual cars in a mixed freight train, not solid trains of similar cars.
Hazmat rules are stricter now, but I would hope even then that products that react violently together, or produce something toxic when mixed, wouldn't be loaded in the same car. E.g. acids and bases or nitric acid and glycerin. Alex Schneider
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Re: Triple dome tank cars
Alex,
I don’t see the photo you mentioned… can you provide a link?
The NYCHS basically decided to become a competitor of other on-line hobby shops. Accuracy has never been a big issue with them and I see that they are offering UTLX, GATX, Culf and Sonoco cars. The cars themselves are crudely detailed, and appear to be GATC built cars. It appears that they were built as 3 compartment cars, as opposed to being converted to such, due to the equal sized domes. As such, they are a pretty rare car when compared to the rest of the fleet.
As we discussed in another tank car thread, the type of train these cars would be seen in would depend on where in their transit they were. They could be seen in solid trains of tank cars that were either being delivered to, or picked up from, a refinery. From there, they would be split up and since these were often to deliver multiple refined products to either one or a few customers, yes, they would be mixed in with other types of freight cars.
During WWII, their primary use would have been hauling crude, as part of complete trains of tank cars.
As I note above, their typical (non-WWII) use would have been deliveries of LCL amounts of refined product to a dealer or multiple dealers. The PRR had several 3 compartment tanks in company service, hauling used crankcase oil to a reclamation plant, and reclaimed oil back to engine houses. In that case, the compartments were used to segregate clean and dirty oil so that the car did not have to be cleaned between trips. As such, it only ever ran about ½ full.
Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Alexander Schneider Jr <aschneiderjr@...>
The NYCSHS Company Store is advertising Walthers triple dome tank cars, with a photo of a solid NYC freight train of tank cars, probably wartime. The cars in the photo are single dome.
Other than wartime emergencies when they used anything available, weren't triple domes used for deliveries of small lots of multiple petroleum products to local dealers? Presumably these would have been individual cars in a mixed freight train, not solid trains of similar cars.
Hazmat rules are stricter now, but I would hope even then that products that react violently together, or produce something toxic when mixed, wouldn't be loaded in the same car. E.g. acids and bases or nitric acid and glycerin. Alex Schneider
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Re: Triple dome tank cars
Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
Looking at the ad, there is a GATX-marked car, and a UTLX-marked car. Would both companies have had cars of the same design.
And is this model an accurate representation of a three-compartment car?
Jim van Gaasbeek Irvine, CA
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alexander Schneider Jr
The NYCSHS Company Store is advertising Walthers triple dome tank cars, with a photo of a solid NYC freight train of tank cars, probably wartime. The cars in the photo are single dome.
Other than wartime emergencies when they used anything available, weren't triple domes used for deliveries of small lots of multiple petroleum products to local dealers? Presumably these would have been individual cars in a mixed freight train, not solid trains of similar cars.
Hazmat rules are stricter now, but I would hope even then that products that react violently together, or produce something toxic when mixed, wouldn't be loaded in the same car. E.g. acids and bases or nitric acid and glycerin. Alex Schneider
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Re: AAR 40' Boxcar ID
I’ve been absorbing info for over 30 years now (49 years old) and I still consider myself a novice. Lol.
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Brian J. Carlson P.E.
On Aug 5, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Gary McMills <santafe@...> wrote:
-- Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Re: AAR 40' Boxcar ID
Gary McMills
Steve, The steamerafreightcars.com info I had previously did not contain this info. Thanks again, Gary McMills
On 2022-08-05 11:00, Gary McMills wrote:
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Re: AAR 40' Boxcar ID
Gary McMills
Thanks Steve, I'm a novice but have been absorbing info for over a year now.
On 2022-08-04 22:31, pennsylvania1954 wrote:
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Triple dome tank cars
Alex Schneider
The NYCSHS Company Store is advertising Walthers triple dome tank cars, with a photo of a solid NYC freight train of tank cars, probably wartime. The cars in the photo are single dome.
Other than wartime emergencies when they used anything available, weren't triple domes used for deliveries of small lots of multiple petroleum products to local dealers? Presumably these would have been individual cars in a mixed freight train, not solid trains of similar cars. Hazmat rules are stricter now, but I would hope even then that products that react violently together, or produce something toxic when mixed, wouldn't be loaded in the same car. E.g. acids and bases or nitric acid and glycerin. Alex Schneider
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Re: Need Bob's Photo contact info
akerboomk
Trucks look (to me) like the Commonwealth 90T "high capacity" trucks once produced by ECW - #9063
See http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/12/small-modeling-project-nyc-drop-center.html BTW I'm still looking for one more pair too ;-) -- Ken Akerboom
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Re: Preserved cars in northwestern PA
Robert G P
We made it to the Lake Shore museum at North East, Conneaut and by chance caught the B&LE double sheathed box sitting in Meadville when we got off for gas. To our luck the gentleman who volunteers had the gate unlocked and was tidying everything up so we got to get up close. In North East we were treated to a small switching move with the 44 tonner. That was neat and drew a small crowd from the neighborhood. One lady said she had never caught them moving cars. The B&LE hopper in Conneaut was intriguing, and whats amazing was that a fellow club member back in WV -at the same time we were up there- posted pictures of "fresh" cars for the club layout and a B&LE 3 bay was one of them! That car in Bellevue has the clasp brake system (pads at each side of the wheels like passenger trucks) on the heavy trucks for high capacity ore service, and is the last of its kind. Im sure they were broke from the Ore service off and on; so will pretend ours was billed with a load of some sort of rock of industry for a point south, thus reasoning its presence as a single in a freight. Probably saw coal service too on the occasion. Anybody have any other ideas for a single B&LE 3 bay intended for ore service ending up on the lower C&O? Thanks again for the insight for our trip! -Bob
A few spots that come to mind: there's an ore jenny and a flat lettered for B&LE at the Greenville, PA railroad museum park (plus a couple of cabs and a unique URR 0-10-2). There also may still be a couple of detrucked 40' boxcars alongside the B&LE main in town.
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