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Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106

David
 

Aside from the scale, the car itself is interesting in a number of ways. It appears to be a late 1920s ARA derivative, but with 6+6 panel sides and an extension around the roof to raise the inside height. There may also be a bracket for an end door on the A-end.

David Thompson


Re: Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106

Todd Sullivan
 

The reason for having two sets of rails across a scale (one live set for weighing, and one 'dead' set that are unattached to the scale mechanism) is that running cars and locos over the live rails at switching speeds eventually causes the scale to go out of calibration.  That's because each wheel set tends to 'bang' on and off the live rails at their ends.  That's bad, because you can't accurately weigh anything until the next visit of the scale test car and calibration crew.  Re calibrating a scale costs money, and it causes money and inconvenience if your scale isn't working to weigh cars going into (e.g., as empties) and out of (as loads) the industries you serve.

Note that, in this photo, the scale track appears to be located on a short siding, so that locos and cars can pass around the scale instead of over it, if the cars are not being weighed.

Todd Sullivan

Who once knew how to weigh cars, and once did it wrong, causing about 6 empty gondolas to be reweighed.  I forgot to estimate the weight of the dunnage in each car, and to deduct it from the empty weight, as recorded by the scale on the scale ticket.  My supervisor was not amused.


Re: Brick Load

Guy Wilber
 

Bob wrote:

“One of 47 Illinois Central box cars loaded with Egyptian bricks circa 1927 in Murphysboro, IL. Egyptian bricks were also used in in the construction of the Panama Canal.

Notice Fox trucks.”

Publicity photo. The car definitely would have been stripped of the banners before rolling towards its destination — especially if the 1927 date is accurate.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Photo: Receiving International Harvester Crawlers At The Great Northern Paper Company

Guy Wilber
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

“Eric Kurowski commented:

“My AAR top load manual shows crawler equipment had bolts though the track that went through the deck. It was one of many acceptable ways.”

Unfortunately, he didn’t cite the year for the manual.”

Eric later claimed this “information” came from a copy of the 1947 Open Top Rules. He’s definitely misinterpreting the rules and/or the diagram (172) covering the loading and securing of track mounted equipment including bulldozers.

No such provision existed for using bolts passing through the tracks to secure a load.

Additionally, a friend pointed out that the International pickup at the end of the dock appears to be a 1953 or 1954 model. The loading method within the photo matches the revisions within the 1952 Pamphlet No. MD-6 Rules (Figure 51) for machines weighing 25,000 pounds or less. Again, wood blocking and chocks with no wire securement being required.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Milwaukee Road SS Box Cars 716862 and 717024

Lester Breuer
 

I built and upgraded Milwaukee Road (MILW) single-sheathed (SS) box cars 716862 and 717024 with information and photo help from others.  I upgraded these cars with the usual detail parts such as wire grabs and unusual such as the early Klasing power brake.   If you are interested in the build of these MILW SS box cars , photos and writeup of the build process including painting, lettering and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer

 


Need help contacting an individual

Pierre Oliver
 

Can anyone who knows James Platt from Minnetonka, MN, contact me off list with James' correct email.
I'm trying to respond to him and his email address bounces back to me

Thanks

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106

gary laakso
 

Plus, some nice looking dents in the bottom end panel.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 10:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106

 

Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106

Photo from Morning Sun Books:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0600/7521/products/049_ErieRR_Official_V1_softbook.jpg?v=1476385483

Appears to be only one pair of rails for this track scale. Not unheard of.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Brick Load

james murrie
 

The label "Egyptian bricks" on the photo may refer to the fact that southern Illinois has historically been referred to "Little Eqypt". Witness the towns of Cairo, Thebes, etc. Even the Southern Illinois University mascot is the Saluki, one of several breeds that can trace its lineage back to the ancient Egyptians.
Jim Murrie
Durham NC


Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Weighing Erie Boxcar 62106

Photo from Morning Sun Books:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0600/7521/products/049_ErieRR_Official_V1_softbook.jpg?v=1476385483

Appears to be only one pair of rails for this track scale. Not unheard of.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Brick Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Brick Load

Photo courtesy of R.J. Ihle on the Facebook Railroad Images of Bygone Days group.

He comments:

“One of 47 Illinois Central box cars loaded with Egyptian bricks circa 1927 in Murphysboro, IL.  Egyptian bricks were also used in in the construction of the Panama Canal.”
Notice Fox trucks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Triple dome tank cars

Bruce Smith
 

Jim,


Broadly speaking, it is possible. Two situations resulted in lease fleets owning a competitor’s designed car. First, mergers. Cars from absorbed fleets often came from a wide variety of builders and so UTLX for example, could end up rostering an AC&F or GATC built car. Alternatively there was some cross-building by the competing companies, where one company would have cars built by another.

 

As for the accuracy of these cars? They are not up to my standards. YMMV.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek <jvgbvg@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, August 5, 2022 at 11:16 AM
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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Triple dome tank cars

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Looking at the ad, there is a GATX-marked car, and a UTLX-marked car.  Would both companies have had cars of the same design.

 

And is this model an accurate representation of a three-compartment car?

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alexander Schneider Jr
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 8:55 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Triple dome tank cars

 

The NYCSHS Company Store is advertising Walthers triple dome tank cars, with a photo of a solid NYC freight train of tank cars, probably wartime. The cars in the photo are single dome.

 

Other than wartime emergencies when they used anything available, weren't triple domes used for deliveries of small lots of multiple petroleum products to local dealers? Presumably these would have been individual cars in a mixed freight train, not solid trains of similar cars.

 

Hazmat rules are stricter now, but I would hope even then that products that react violently together, or produce something toxic when mixed, wouldn't be loaded in the same car. E.g. acids and bases or nitric acid and glycerin. 

Alex Schneider


Re: Triple dome tank cars

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
 

Here is the original E-Mail notification:

 

You have to have a login and password to get to their online shop.  But the E-Mail provides enough info, I believe.

 

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 9:19 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Triple dome tank cars

 

Alex,

 

I don’t see the photo you mentioned… can you provide a link? 

 

The NYCHS basically decided to become a competitor of other on-line hobby shops. Accuracy has never been a big issue with them and I see that they are offering UTLX, GATX, Culf and Sonoco cars. The cars themselves are crudely detailed, and appear to be GATC built cars. It appears that they were built as 3 compartment cars, as opposed to being converted to such, due to the equal sized domes. As such, they are a pretty rare car when compared to the rest of the fleet.

 

As we discussed in another tank car thread, the type of train these cars would be seen in would depend on where in their transit they were. They could be seen in solid trains of tank cars that were either being delivered to, or picked up from, a refinery. From there, they would be split up and since these were often to deliver multiple refined products to either one or a few customers, yes, they would be mixed in with other types of freight cars.

 

During WWII, their primary use would have been hauling crude, as part of complete trains of tank cars.

 

As I note above, their typical (non-WWII) use would have been deliveries of LCL amounts of refined product to a dealer or multiple dealers. The PRR had several 3 compartment tanks in company service, hauling used crankcase oil to a reclamation plant, and reclaimed oil back to engine houses. In that case,  the compartments were used to segregate clean and dirty oil so that the car did not have to be cleaned between trips. As such, it only ever ran about ½ full.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Alexander Schneider Jr <aschneiderjr@...>
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Date: Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:55 AM
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Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Triple dome tank cars

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

The NYCSHS Company Store is advertising Walthers triple dome tank cars, with a photo of a solid NYC freight train of tank cars, probably wartime. The cars in the photo are single dome.

 

Other than wartime emergencies when they used anything available, weren't triple domes used for deliveries of small lots of multiple petroleum products to local dealers? Presumably these would have been individual cars in a mixed freight train, not solid trains of similar cars.

 

Hazmat rules are stricter now, but I would hope even then that products that react violently together, or produce something toxic when mixed, wouldn't be loaded in the same car. E.g. acids and bases or nitric acid and glycerin. 

Alex Schneider


Re: Triple dome tank cars

Bruce Smith
 

Alex,

 

I don’t see the photo you mentioned… can you provide a link? 

 

The NYCHS basically decided to become a competitor of other on-line hobby shops. Accuracy has never been a big issue with them and I see that they are offering UTLX, GATX, Culf and Sonoco cars. The cars themselves are crudely detailed, and appear to be GATC built cars. It appears that they were built as 3 compartment cars, as opposed to being converted to such, due to the equal sized domes. As such, they are a pretty rare car when compared to the rest of the fleet.

 

As we discussed in another tank car thread, the type of train these cars would be seen in would depend on where in their transit they were. They could be seen in solid trains of tank cars that were either being delivered to, or picked up from, a refinery. From there, they would be split up and since these were often to deliver multiple refined products to either one or a few customers, yes, they would be mixed in with other types of freight cars.

 

During WWII, their primary use would have been hauling crude, as part of complete trains of tank cars.

 

As I note above, their typical (non-WWII) use would have been deliveries of LCL amounts of refined product to a dealer or multiple dealers. The PRR had several 3 compartment tanks in company service, hauling used crankcase oil to a reclamation plant, and reclaimed oil back to engine houses. In that case,  the compartments were used to segregate clean and dirty oil so that the car did not have to be cleaned between trips. As such, it only ever ran about ½ full.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Alexander Schneider Jr <aschneiderjr@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:55 AM
To: STMFC <realstmfc@groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Triple dome tank cars

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

The NYCSHS Company Store is advertising Walthers triple dome tank cars, with a photo of a solid NYC freight train of tank cars, probably wartime. The cars in the photo are single dome.

 

Other than wartime emergencies when they used anything available, weren't triple domes used for deliveries of small lots of multiple petroleum products to local dealers? Presumably these would have been individual cars in a mixed freight train, not solid trains of similar cars.

 

Hazmat rules are stricter now, but I would hope even then that products that react violently together, or produce something toxic when mixed, wouldn't be loaded in the same car. E.g. acids and bases or nitric acid and glycerin. 

Alex Schneider


Re: Triple dome tank cars

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
 

Looking at the ad, there is a GATX-marked car, and a UTLX-marked car.  Would both companies have had cars of the same design.

 

And is this model an accurate representation of a three-compartment car?

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alexander Schneider Jr
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 8:55 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Triple dome tank cars

 

The NYCSHS Company Store is advertising Walthers triple dome tank cars, with a photo of a solid NYC freight train of tank cars, probably wartime. The cars in the photo are single dome.

 

Other than wartime emergencies when they used anything available, weren't triple domes used for deliveries of small lots of multiple petroleum products to local dealers? Presumably these would have been individual cars in a mixed freight train, not solid trains of similar cars.

 

Hazmat rules are stricter now, but I would hope even then that products that react violently together, or produce something toxic when mixed, wouldn't be loaded in the same car. E.g. acids and bases or nitric acid and glycerin. 

Alex Schneider


Re: AAR 40' Boxcar ID

Brian Carlson
 

I’ve been absorbing info for over 30 years now (49 years old) and I still consider myself a novice. Lol. 

Brian J. Carlson P.E. 

On Aug 5, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Gary McMills <santafe@...> wrote:



Thanks Steve,

I'm  a novice but have been absorbing info for over a year now.


On 2022-08-04 22:31, pennsylvania1954 wrote:

Hi Gary--Go here for all of Ed Hawkins' post war AAR 40' boxcar lists.

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/postwaraarmain.html

I agree with Tim on the 7' door 10 panel car. There were no 12 panel cars on the PRR.

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: AAR 40' Boxcar ID

Gary McMills
 

Steve,

The steamerafreightcars.com  info I had previously did not contain this info.

Thanks again,

Gary McMills


On 2022-08-05 11:00, Gary McMills wrote:

Thanks Steve,

I'm  a novice but have been absorbing info for over a year now.


On 2022-08-04 22:31, pennsylvania1954 wrote:

Hi Gary--Go here for all of Ed Hawkins' post war AAR 40' boxcar lists.

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/postwaraarmain.html

I agree with Tim on the 7' door 10 panel car. There were no 12 panel cars on the PRR.


Re: AAR 40' Boxcar ID

Gary McMills
 

Thanks Steve,

I'm  a novice but have been absorbing info for over a year now.


On 2022-08-04 22:31, pennsylvania1954 wrote:

Hi Gary--Go here for all of Ed Hawkins' post war AAR 40' boxcar lists.

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/postwaraarmain.html

I agree with Tim on the 7' door 10 panel car. There were no 12 panel cars on the PRR.


Triple dome tank cars

Alex Schneider
 

The NYCSHS Company Store is advertising Walthers triple dome tank cars, with a photo of a solid NYC freight train of tank cars, probably wartime. The cars in the photo are single dome.

Other than wartime emergencies when they used anything available, weren't triple domes used for deliveries of small lots of multiple petroleum products to local dealers? Presumably these would have been individual cars in a mixed freight train, not solid trains of similar cars.

Hazmat rules are stricter now, but I would hope even then that products that react violently together, or produce something toxic when mixed, wouldn't be loaded in the same car. E.g. acids and bases or nitric acid and glycerin. 

Alex Schneider


Re: Need Bob's Photo contact info

akerboomk
 

Trucks look (to me) like the Commonwealth 90T "high capacity" trucks once produced by ECW - #9063
See
      http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/12/small-modeling-project-nyc-drop-center.html

BTW I'm still looking for one more pair too ;-)
--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Preserved cars in northwestern PA

Robert G P
 

We made it to the Lake Shore museum at North East, Conneaut and by chance caught the B&LE double sheathed box sitting in Meadville when we got off for gas. To our luck the gentleman who volunteers had the gate unlocked and was tidying everything up so we got to get up close.

In North East we were treated to a small switching move with the 44 tonner. That was neat and drew a small crowd from the neighborhood. One lady said she had never caught them moving cars. 

The B&LE hopper in Conneaut was intriguing, and whats amazing was that a fellow club member back in WV -at the same time we were up there- posted pictures of "fresh" cars for the club layout and a B&LE 3 bay was one of them! 

That car in Bellevue has the clasp brake system (pads at each side of the wheels like passenger trucks) on the heavy trucks for high capacity ore service, and is the last of its kind. Im sure they were broke from the Ore service off and on; so will pretend ours was billed with a load of some sort of rock of industry for a point south, thus reasoning its presence as a single in a freight. Probably saw coal service too on the occasion. 

Anybody have any other ideas for a single B&LE 3 bay intended for ore service ending up on the lower C&O? 

Thanks again for the insight for our trip! 
-Bob

On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 11:00 PM jace6315 via groups.io <jace6315=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
A few spots that come to mind: there's an ore jenny and a flat lettered for B&LE at the Greenville, PA railroad museum park (plus a couple of cabs and a unique URR 0-10-2). There also may still be a couple of detrucked 40' boxcars alongside the B&LE main in town.

There's a restored PC, ex NYC, box in Shippensburg now supporting the local rail trail.

I haven't been there for a few years but Weirton, WV was always worth the visit if you like old, beat up steel mill gons some of which can be seen on the Main Street bridge over the mill trackage. Some 20 years ago or so I came across a PS-0 box in Steubenville on the Ohio side of the river but I suspect that's long gone.

Jim



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On Jul 31, 2022, 8:30 PM, Steve SANDIFER < steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

That’s Harlansburg. 2 Hwt PRR Pullmans and 2 Lwt PRR coaches based on what I see on Google Earth.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Boss
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2022 8:14 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Preserved cars in northwestern PA

 

Harlinburg Pa has a small collection of PRR passenger cars, it used to also be a museum as well. It is at Pa RT19& PA RT108. PA RT108 exits right off I 79
DAVE

On Saturday, July 30, 2022, Robert G P <bobgp5109@...> wrote:
> Thank you guys a lot! Very handy information!
>
> -Bob
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 3:46 PM Schleigh Mike via groups.io <mike_schleigh=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bob!
>> Titusville (Oil Creek & Titusville) has a three-compartment Standard Tank Car Shell Tanker we have mentioned in the past.  Lake Shore Railway at North East (just east of Erie on US 20) has an AC&F built X-3 as well as a number of freight and passenger cars.  Not to mention quite a collection of GE locos and a nifty fireless Heisler.  Lots of freight trains on the old NYC and NKP main lines right at the station museum.
>> Regards from Grove City (right along your route) in Penna----Mike Schleigh
>> On Saturday, July 30, 2022, 11:44:45 AM EDT, Robert G P <bobgp5109@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I will be in Pittsburgh and Northwestern PA and the most eastern point of OH this weekend and am curious if there are any accessible preserved/stored/derelict transition era cars of any type known to be in the region along (and not far from) the I-79 corridor north of Pittsburgh? Or in the vicinity of Pittsburgh? Even as far East as Erie?
>> Will also be watching trains in Pitts as well. 
>> Thanks a lot! 
>> -Bob
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