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Re: SP A50-6

Earl Tuson
 

FWIW, Pre-size Model Specialties offers a cast urethane kit for the A-50-6 in S-scale now:

http://pre-size.com/products/SscaleFreight_CarsPS593.php

Earl Tuson


Re: UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car

Jeff Helm
 

Frank,

Thank you very much for this information.
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Cheers

Jeff Helm
The Olympic Peninsula Branch
https://olympicpeninsulabranch.blogspot.com/


Re: Question for fellow Truss rooders!

earlyrail
 



Most are a little too new for me. My time stopped in September 1905
However, I did order the CB&Q stock cars doors to update my stock cars.
Would be interesting to see something for the MDC oldtimers.

Howard Garner


Re: UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car

Tom Madden
 

Criticizing business practices is prohibited. Criticizing products is not. In this case we’re talking about a product that has been OOP for around 15 years. 


Tom Madden


Re: Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

O Fenton Wells
 

Frank is a single person business (Actually that's not true I met the head of the shipping and billing department at Collinsville RPM meet) and I would rather have him working on other things than the tank car dome, 
Just say'in ;>)
Fenton

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 2:26 PM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:

O Fenton Wells  wrote:


"for the amount of work that would have to be done."

That was sort of my point. We make compromises in scale dimensions in other freight car details; mainly because the correct components aren't available, or can't be economically made, to scale.

But I admit that in this case, over 1/16'' would be visible. Sans the correct part though, I'd probably live with it, versus scratchbuilding a new dome.

Scott Haycock  



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910-420-8106
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Re: UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car

Corey Fischer
 

Who is trashing them? So far I have seen reasonable critiquing which manufacturers should be open to. I don’t think that kit manufacturers should not be closed off from reasonable criticism simply because they could decide to stop producing. 

On Aug 8, 2022, at 3:27 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


Here we go again.  This is like the discussiona few weeks ago on the FW&D covered hoppers color.  This I gather has effected the sales of this otherwise excellent model.

I don't disagree that the information is good to know, however, when viewed on a layout who will notice the difference?  This is coming from someone who if there is a nick on the side of his car can see it from a block away and it is on the other side of the car.  My fear is that there is currently a very few manufacturers of kits in the hobby.  The time and effort and expense involved in producing a kit is monumental. To have all this effort trashed after the fact is quite discouraging. Who needs the grief?  Remember that Gould was virtually driven out of the business after producing the best engineered plastic tank car model ever only to learn after the fact that the prototype was never made.

I don't want to lose any more kit suppliers.  What will we buy to put on a shelf never to be built?

Bill Pardie




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-------- Original message --------
From: Frank Hodina <fhodina@...>
Date: 8/8/22 4:12 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car

PQCX 110 is an 8000 gallon ACF Type 27 tank car. The InterMountain model is an exact match. But don't attach the bottom plat to the frame as these are two channels. Attached is a plan of the brake arrangment

Frank Hodina
Resin Car Works


Re: Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

Nelson Moyer
 

Decimal place matters. The rounded off number was good if that’s any consolation.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott H. Haycock
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

 

Getting old-should have used a calculator!

 

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment

On 08/08/2022 11:44 AM Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

 

 

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:41 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:

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According to my math, the difference between a 48'' diameter dome and one that is 54'' is .oo7''. Is this enough to visually matter? 

Math is wrong. It's 0.069", more than 1/16".

Tom Madden


Re: UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Here we go again.  This is like the discussiona few weeks ago on the FW&D covered hoppers color.  This I gather has effected the sales of this otherwise excellent model.

I don't disagree that the information is good to know, however, when viewed on a layout who will notice the difference?  This is coming from someone who if there is a nick on the side of his car can see it from a block away and it is on the other side of the car.  My fear is that there is currently a very few manufacturers of kits in the hobby.  The time and effort and expense involved in producing a kit is monumental. To have all this effort trashed after the fact is quite discouraging. Who needs the grief?  Remember that Gould was virtually driven out of the business after producing the best engineered plastic tank car model ever only to learn after the fact that the prototype was never made.

I don't want to lose any more kit suppliers.  What will we buy to put on a shelf never to be built?

Bill Pardie




Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Frank Hodina <fhodina@...>
Date: 8/8/22 4:12 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UTLX X-3, 6.5K tank car

PQCX 110 is an 8000 gallon ACF Type 27 tank car. The InterMountain model is an exact match. But don't attach the bottom plat to the frame as these are two channels. Attached is a plan of the brake arrangment

Frank Hodina
Resin Car Works


Question for fellow Truss rooders!

gary laakso
 

Has anyone used these truss rods in 3D?

 

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/macomb-model-works 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

 


Re: Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

Scott H. Haycock
 


O Fenton Wells  wrote:


"for the amount of work that would have to be done."

That was sort of my point. We make compromises in scale dimensions in other freight car details; mainly because the correct components aren't available, or can't be economically made, to scale.

But I admit that in this case, over 1/16'' would be visible. Sans the correct part though, I'd probably live with it, versus scratchbuilding a new dome.

Scott Haycock  


Re: SP A50-6

Ray Hutchison
 

The legos are a permanent part of the build?

(It looks like they must be)


Re: Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
 

But it is the proportions that matter, as well as the absolute measurement.

 

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

 

 


Re: Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

O Fenton Wells
 

I don't disagree with Scott, for the amount of work that would have to be done.
Fenton

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 1:49 PM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:
Getting old-should have used a calculator!

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 08/08/2022 11:44 AM Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:41 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
<!doctype html>
According to my math, the difference between a 48'' diameter dome and one that is 54'' is .oo7''. Is this enough to visually matter? 
Math is wrong. It's 0.069", more than 1/16".

Tom Madden



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

Bruce Smith
 

Oh those pesky decimal places!! 😉  A handy rule of thumb is that one real inch is approximately 0.01” in HO (it is actually 0.01148”).

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Tom Madden via groups.io" <pullmanboss@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 8, 2022 at 12:44 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:41 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:

<!doctype html>

According to my math, the difference between a 48'' diameter dome and one that is 54'' is .oo7''. Is this enough to visually matter? 

Math is wrong. It's 0.069", more than 1/16".

Tom Madden


Re: Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

Scott H. Haycock
 

Getting old-should have used a calculator!

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 08/08/2022 11:44 AM Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:


On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:41 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
<!doctype html>
According to my math, the difference between a 48'' diameter dome and one that is 54'' is .oo7''. Is this enough to visually matter? 
Math is wrong. It's 0.069", more than 1/16".

Tom Madden


Re: Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

Tom Madden
 

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:41 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
<!doctype html>
According to my math, the difference between a 48'' diameter dome and one that is 54'' is .oo7''. Is this enough to visually matter? 
Math is wrong. It's 0.069", more than 1/16".

Tom Madden


Re: Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

Scott H. Haycock
 

According to my math, the difference between a 48'' diameter dome and one that is 54'' is .oo7''. Is this enough to visually matter? 

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 08/08/2022 8:18 AM Frank Hodina <fhodina@...> wrote:


The differences between the 6500 and 8000 gallon X-3's are the capacity, the length and dome size. The 6.5k has a 48" dome while the 8K is 54". The issue with the old Sunshine 6.5K car was that the dome was too large. The pattern was done though before plans were available.

Frank Hodina
Resin Car Works


Re: Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks, I understand.
Fenton

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 1:03 PM O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Frank I too would love to have the correct size done if they become available 
Fenton 


On Aug 8, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 08:25 AM, Ken Roth wrote:

Frank,
Any chance you would be able to supply castings of the correct size dome for the 6.5k car to those of us you still have unbuilt Sunshine 6.5k kits?  Never hurts to ask I guess.

It's not that simple. The Sunshine tank pattern was a shortened InterMountain 8K tank shell but the recess where the dome sits was unchanged. Attached is a photo of Franks 6.5K pattern (ignore the dust - I just grabbed it off the shelf) and he filled in the recess, made a new dome & riveted saddle, and the upper shell is a one piece casting. No separate dome like the Sunshine kit. Of the four Sunshine X-3 versions (10K, long 8K, stubby 8K, 6.5K), the 6.5K was the biggest seller. And it still seems to fetch the highest prices on the secondary market.

Tom madden Tank6-5.jpg



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

O Fenton Wells
 

Frank I too would love to have the correct size done if they become available 
Fenton 


On Aug 8, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 08:25 AM, Ken Roth wrote:

Frank,
Any chance you would be able to supply castings of the correct size dome for the 6.5k car to those of us you still have unbuilt Sunshine 6.5k kits?  Never hurts to ask I guess.

It's not that simple. The Sunshine tank pattern was a shortened InterMountain 8K tank shell but the recess where the dome sits was unchanged. Attached is a photo of Franks 6.5K pattern (ignore the dust - I just grabbed it off the shelf) and he filled in the recess, made a new dome & riveted saddle, and the upper shell is a one piece casting. No separate dome like the Sunshine kit. Of the four Sunshine X-3 versions (10K, long 8K, stubby 8K, 6.5K), the 6.5K was the biggest seller. And it still seems to fetch the highest prices on the secondary market.

Tom madden Tank6-5.jpg


Re: Pulpwood, Wood Chips: Uses other than Paper?

Hudson Leighton
 

Another use is the use of sawdust as bedding for cows.

-Hudson

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