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Re: Union Tank Car Company UTLX. 74450

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Lester, tough build and good result.  
Fenton

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 9:14 AM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I built and upgraded Southern Car & Foundry Tank car resin kit 2005.  It is a different design 8,000 gallon tank car as it has a 6 course radial tank with different safety valve location that I lettered for Union Tank Car (UTLX) and numbered 74450.  Upgrade includes AB brakes, handrails and making brake staff end straps from brass.  If you are interested in the build of resin UTLX tank car 74450, photos and write up of the build process including painting, lettering from National Scale Car and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

 

Lester Breuer

 



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Fenton Wells
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Union Tank Car Company UTLX. 74450

Lester Breuer
 

I built and upgraded Southern Car & Foundry Tank car resin kit 2005.  It is a different design 8,000 gallon tank car as it has a 6 course radial tank with different safety valve location that I lettered for Union Tank Car (UTLX) and numbered 74450.  Upgrade includes AB brakes, handrails and making brake staff end straps from brass.  If you are interested in the build of resin UTLX tank car 74450, photos and write up of the build process including painting, lettering from National Scale Car and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

 

Lester Breuer

 
CPR Woodchip Gondola conversions

Gavin
 

A slight bit out of era for this list, but I'm looking for information on Canadian Pacific 41' Drop Bottom Gondola's, specifically those known as the Big Otis. I was browsing through Canadian Freight Car photos and happened upon what I think is one rebuilt with woodchip sides. If it is the same type of car, any idea on when they were converted over? image.png
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Re: Photo: War Material In Gondola Cars (1918)

Lee
 

Possibly this:
   The B platform (also known as the B body) is a full-size rear-wheel drive car platform produced by General Motors (GM) from 1926 to 1996. Plymouth had a B frame style also around the same time frame  

 
Re: Rapido Southern Pacific USRA SS boxcars

Scott H. Haycock
 

My idea was posted for those who may have vision problems; color blindness, etc., as a possible way to get closer to a color that they maybe having a hard time matching.

I never intended to imply any scientific breakthrough. Sometimes a screwdriver can be used as a hammer :)
 

Scott Haycock

On 10/10/2022 8:03 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Scott, Folks,

RGB is a color system that measures transmitted light. It is used for devices such as monitors. In addition, it is device dependent and by definition not precisely repeatable from device to device. It was never intended to, nor is it suitable to use to describe paint colors. I siuggest that you use an appropriate color system for pigments, such as Munsell (which is the gold standard, but hard to use unless you are a professional and have access), RAL or Pantone, or CMYK if you are using inks. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 8:29 PM
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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido Southern Pacific USRA SS boxcars

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.


Matt Smith wrote:


1 in 12 men are, or will be color blind/color deficient.

I think being able to use RGB values in the pursuit of the colors we want can have an important role for anyone trying match a book picture or photo, and more.

Toward that end, I'm using online catalog images to compile a collection of virtual color chips of all my paints-see attachment. I just screen-grab these off of the internet.  I do the same with any colors I want to pursue from other sources.

When I want to try and match a color, as long as I have something digital with that color in my computer, I can compare it to my paints in the this file. If I don't have a close match, I can look at the color charts from the manufacturer.

Any free photo editor, even the ones on your phone should have a color picker tool and an RGB readout. Compare each color chip to your target until you are satisfied, using the RGB values. Just make sure the White Balances' match (an exposure adjustment). 

When you get as close as you can, the RGB values will point you in the right direction to adjust the color, like a color wheel.

While color matching seems to be more art than science, at least at our level, this method isn't exact. But for anyone with color problems, it should help.

This method will also help you find matches between brand names. Sheens are another issue.

My experiments in this direction are on hold until I get moved, but I'm confident that a lot of hand-wringing will be alleviated using this method.

Scott Haycock

Re: Pacific Fruit Express Aluminum Refrigerator Car PFE 45698

Dan Smith
 

And my apologies, Tony is absolutely correct.

Dallas Gilbertson took that great photo and I should have credited as such. My mistake.

A big thank you to Richard Wilkens though or posting the photo from Tom Dill's collection. You have been most gracious to the group.

Dan Smith
Re: Rapido Southern Pacific USRA SS boxcars

Bruce Smith
 

Scott, Folks,

RGB is a color system that measures transmitted light. It is used for devices such as monitors. In addition, it is device dependent and by definition not precisely repeatable from device to device. It was never intended to, nor is it suitable to use to describe paint colors. I siuggest that you use an appropriate color system for pigments, such as Munsell (which is the gold standard, but hard to use unless you are a professional and have access), RAL or Pantone, or CMYK if you are using inks. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 8:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido Southern Pacific USRA SS boxcars
 
CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.


Matt Smith wrote:


1 in 12 men are, or will be color blind/color deficient.

I think being able to use RGB values in the pursuit of the colors we want can have an important role for anyone trying match a book picture or photo, and more.

Toward that end, I'm using online catalog images to compile a collection of virtual color chips of all my paints-see attachment. I just screen-grab these off of the internet.  I do the same with any colors I want to pursue from other sources.

When I want to try and match a color, as long as I have something digital with that color in my computer, I can compare it to my paints in the this file. If I don't have a close match, I can look at the color charts from the manufacturer.

Any free photo editor, even the ones on your phone should have a color picker tool and an RGB readout. Compare each color chip to your target until you are satisfied, using the RGB values. Just make sure the White Balances' match (an exposure adjustment). 

When you get as close as you can, the RGB values will point you in the right direction to adjust the color, like a color wheel.

While color matching seems to be more art than science, at least at our level, this method isn't exact. But for anyone with color problems, it should help.

This method will also help you find matches between brand names. Sheens are another issue.

My experiments in this direction are on hold until I get moved, but I'm confident that a lot of hand-wringing will be alleviated using this method.

Scott Haycock

Re: Pacific Fruit Express Aluminum Refrigerator Car PFE 45698

Tony Thompson
 

Dan Smith wrote:

Brain, I beg to differ.

As built in 1946 & 1947, the heralds were the same on both sides.with the UP medallion closest to the end.

It was in June of 1951 when the SP herald returned to the B end of the car, Like in Richard Wilkens great photo
of a repainted 45698.
Dan is right. But please, let’s remember that Wilkens only SENT the photo. It’s Dallas Gilbertson’s photo.

Tony Thompson
Photo: War Material In Gondola Cars (1918)

David
 

The first and fourth cars are C&O copies of an N&W design (class GI). The fifth car is thematically similar, but not the same (steel end sill, smaller channel sill, and the grab irons on the right may be recessed into the side?).

David Thompson
Re: Pacific Fruit Express Aluminum Refrigerator Car PFE 45698

Dan Smith
 

Brain, I beg to differ.

As built in 1946 & 1947, the heralds were the same on both sides.with the UP medallion closest to the end.

It was in June of 1951 when the SP herald returned to the B end of the car, Like in Richard Wilkens great photo
of a repainted 45698.

Dan Smith
Re: Rapido Southern Pacific USRA SS boxcars

Dan Stainton
 

Amen to that.
Farmers Loading Poultry (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Farmers Loading Poultry (Undated)

A photo from the National Archives:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/148742421

On the link scroll to enlarge the photo.

The poultry car is LPTC 1550 and carries the name “Traveler”.

Note the trust plate next to the car number.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup
Photo: War Material In Gondola Cars (1918)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: War Material In Gondola Cars (1918)

Photo from the National Archives:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/45518110

On the link scroll to enlarge the photo.

Budd Manufacturing Company.

I’m not sure what “Class B Bodies” are. Perhaps for trucks?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Rapido Southern Pacific USRA SS boxcars

Scott H. Haycock
 



Matt Smith wrote:


1 in 12 men are, or will be color blind/color deficient.

I think being able to use RGB values in the pursuit of the colors we want can have an important role for anyone trying match a book picture or photo, and more.

Toward that end, I'm using online catalog images to compile a collection of virtual color chips of all my paints-see attachment. I just screen-grab these off of the internet.  I do the same with any colors I want to pursue from other sources.

When I want to try and match a color, as long as I have something digital with that color in my computer, I can compare it to my paints in the this file. If I don't have a close match, I can look at the color charts from the manufacturer.

Any free photo editor, even the ones on your phone should have a color picker tool and an RGB readout. Compare each color chip to your target until you are satisfied, using the RGB values. Just make sure the White Balances' match (an exposure adjustment). 

When you get as close as you can, the RGB values will point you in the right direction to adjust the color, like a color wheel.

While color matching seems to be more art than science, at least at our level, this method isn't exact. But for anyone with color problems, it should help.

This method will also help you find matches between brand names. Sheens are another issue.

My experiments in this direction are on hold until I get moved, but I'm confident that a lot of hand-wringing will be alleviated using this method.

Scott Haycock

Re: Pacific Fruit Express Aluminum Refrigerator Car PFE 45698

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Note the order the heralds are applied: SP leading on one side with UP leading on the other. 

Dead giveaway. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
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On Oct 10, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Dan Smith <espeefan@...> wrote:

Bill,

Every photo posted on this thread so far has been of car # 45698.
Just an interesting tidbit, all photos posted of 45798 have been of the same side of the car, the left side.

No photos of the Alcoa car # 44739 have yet been posted on this thread.

Dan

Re: Pacific Fruit Express Aluminum Refrigerator Car PFE 45698

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Wrong. Looking at the photos, one includes the A end, while another shows the B, including some of the retarder. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Oct 10, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Dan Smith <espeefan@...> wrote:

Bill,

Every photo posted on this thread so far has been of car # 45698.
Just an interesting tidbit, all photos posted of 45798 have been of the same side of the car, the left side.

No photos of the Alcoa car # 44739 have yet been posted on this thread.

Dan

Re: FW: Re: [RealSTMFC] Pacific Fruit Express Aluminum Refrigerator Car PFE 45698

Dan Smith
 

Bill,

Every photo posted on this thread so far has been of car # 45698.
Just an interesting tidbit, all photos posted of 45798 have been of the same side of the car, the left side.

No photos of the Alcoa car # 44739 have yet been posted on this thread.

Dan
Re: Odd Grab Iron Supports

radiodial868
 

I think the fat lady has finally sung. 
Based upon compelling arguments, I'm going to suspend belief that the photograph is a Builders photo and going to go with the design concept that it is a FLAT piece of strap iron from just above the bottom grab bolt up to the top attach point, and that 4"/2" offset grabs were used (the 2" leg riveted to the strap).
Whew!
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RJ Dial
Mendocino, CA
Re: Rapido Southern Pacific USRA SS boxcars

Matt Smith
 

Soooooo, another variable many people forget is that we are all a bunch of "old guys". By that I mean 1 in 12 men are, or will be color blind/color deficient. WIth red and green being the colors most affected by color blindness.  Maybe invite that special lady in your life for a second opinion when trying to match colors. 
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Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL
FW: Re: [RealSTMFC] Pacific Fruit Express Aluminum Refrigerator Car PFE 45698

WILLIAM PARDIE
 





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This is the other experimental aluminum refer as Tony pointed out.  They came from different builders and were not identicle.  The most noticeable difference is the side sills.
 
Bill Pardie
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