Ben,
Those cars were built by Standard Steel Car Co. in 1927. 159000-159249 had both ends solid. 160000-160249 had end doors in the A end of the Murphy rib style. All 500 cars show as having Hutchins Dry Lading roofs on the company diagram sheets.
Similar cars were added from Bettendorf in 1930 and are the subject of models from Rocket Express. It appears that most of the cars with raised roofs and widened doors were from the Bettendorf builds.
Depending upon how deeply you might be interested, IRM Pullman Library has a number of general and detail drawings for the Standard Steel cars, as built. Lake States Railway Historical Association may have railroad made drawings showing the changes.
Hope this helps.
Steve Hile
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island auto cars 159000-159249 series - roof and usage
I am wondering if anyone knows the type of roof this series have? Looks radial and with thirteen transverse ribs, unsure of the type.
Cars look to have been rebuilt with roof raised, and widened doors..
They have what looks like a 1937 AAR end, but pressings are in a 3-3-3 pattern.
Guessing they stopped being auto cars at some point, at least they aren't lettered for that use in the photos I found. Unsure what they were thereafter used for but looks like they hung around fairly late.
Ben Scanlon
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Murfreesboro, TN
On 12/09/2022 8:40 AM CST mlredden1 <mlredden1@...> wrote:I finally got parts to repair my printer. It sure takes a long time to ship parts from China.
Anyway...Yesterday I was able to 3D print the "Pagnoni Press" flat car load. I tilted it at 45 degrees so the curved top would be smooth.
That meant that I had to add a lot of supports to one side. When I removed them they created some "divots" that will need to be filled with Tamiya white putty.
Here's some photos of the results.
Mike Redden
https://youtu.be/Rk-OjfXTmT4
Scott McDonald
On Dec 9, 2022, at 1:52 AM, Benjamin Scanlon via groups.io <benjaminscanlon@...> wrote:
I am wondering if anyone knows the type of roof this series have? Looks radial and with thirteen transverse ribs, unsure of the type.
Cars look to have been rebuilt with roof raised, and widened doors..
They have what looks like a 1937 AAR end, but pressings are in a 3-3-3 pattern.
Guessing they stopped being auto cars at some point, at least they aren't lettered for that use in the photos I found. Unsure what they were thereafter used for but looks like they hung around fairly late.
Ben Scanlon
Tottenham, England
Ben,
Those cars were built by Standard Steel Car Co. in 1927. 159000-159249 had both ends solid. 160000-160249 had end doors in the A end of the Murphy rib style. All 500 cars show as having Hutchins Dry Lading roofs on the company diagram sheets.
Similar cars were added from Bettendorf in 1930 and are the subject of models from Rocket Express. It appears that most of the cars with raised roofs and widened doors were from the Bettendorf builds.
Depending upon how deeply you might be interested, IRM Pullman Library has a number of general and detail drawings for the Standard Steel cars, as built. Lake States Railway Historical Association may have railroad made drawings showing the changes.
Hope this helps.
Steve Hile
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Sent: Friday, December 9, 2022 1:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island auto cars 159000-159249 series - roof and usage
I am wondering if anyone knows the type of roof this series have? Looks radial and with thirteen transverse ribs, unsure of the type.
Cars look to have been rebuilt with roof raised, and widened doors..
They have what looks like a 1937 AAR end, but pressings are in a 3-3-3 pattern.
Guessing they stopped being auto cars at some point, at least they aren't lettered for that use in the photos I found. Unsure what they were thereafter used for but looks like they hung around fairly late.
Ben Scanlon
Tottenham, England
On Dec 9, 2022, at 9:56 AM, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:
We live 90 mins from there Fenton, so we don’t visit that often. All this stuff you see lined up during the virtuals is from collections. The store is engines and rolling stock. There are detail stuff, but you have to dig for it ; )) Right now the upstairs of the store, 2 storage sheds and 3 garages are packed with collections they’re bought. When I was there last month I looked on there ‘chaff’ shelves for a P2K auto car with end doors. They had two with fixed ends. I asked if they had any more? I see they found some....I’m sure there’s more to come.Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Mason City Iowa
Anyway...Yesterday I was able to 3D print the "Pagnoni Press" flat car load. I tilted it at 45 degrees so the curved top would be smooth.
That meant that I had to add a lot of supports to one side. When I removed them they created some "divots" that will need to be filled with Tamiya white putty.
Here's some photos of the results.
Mike Redden
I can find no information on the list about these KCS cars, which I assume formed a 7300 and 7900 series. Wondered if anyone knew anything about them? Have tried a couple of KCS forums elsewhere.
About the only information online is a wrecked car the 7921 on the rr picture archive. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=592205
Wondered if anyone knew about their history, provenance, usage and disposition.
Regards,
Ben Scanlon
Tottenham, England
Dear Friends and Colleagues,
My 80th birthday disappeared into the rear view mirror of my life this past Halloween, and it is time for me to pass forward to others my extensive collection of model railroad equipment, books and railroadiana.
I am starting with a sampling of my 222 NIB Sunshine Models kits, which are being offered first to members of this and other lists from which I have learned so much over the years.
My For Sale List No. 1 is attached as a .pdf.
Let me know if you find something of interest here, and feel free to forward this email to others you think might be interested.
Happy Holidays!
Stuart
Cars look to have been rebuilt with roof raised, and widened doors..
They have what looks like a 1937 AAR end, but pressings are in a 3-3-3 pattern.
Guessing they stopped being auto cars at some point, at least they aren't lettered for that use in the photos I found. Unsure what they were thereafter used for but looks like they hung around fairly late.
Ben Scanlon
Tottenham, England
Chuck here are some URC drop bottom gons hauling logs. Demonstrating the versatility of a gon over a hopper.
Doug Harding
https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 10:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Why were gondolas more popular in the west for hauling minerals than hoppers?
For the sake of flogging gondolas for coal out west, here is shot of a Utah Coal Route gondola in 1929. However, in this picture it is spotted at a gravel pit at Steilacoom, WA. So it was intended for coal, but used as needed for other materials.
Chuck Soule
In rereading the Hinman MDC book material on the mechanical reefers (five pages plus a paragraph and pictures on a six), I find I misread it. The additional converted car (NYMX 2000, built 1946) to the 50 car 1956 order from PC&F that I mistook to be 40’ long is the same length as the others, it does however have 9 panels with riveted overlapping seams between the plug door and the car ends. Photos of cars from the 50 unit PC&F order show those cars to have six panels occupying the same space. The ventilation panels and equipment space door is also different on that one car.
Another oddity is the late 70’s photo of car #1028 on page 250 showing the original decorating scheme, but with a gray side stripe and herald on a solid silver car instead of green stripe & herald on light yellow sides.
After a cursory inspection, it would appear that the Pacific HO kit could be kitbashed into something credible. Oddly, the model side depicts 7 panels and two horizontal rivet seams in the panel adjacent to the plug door, not an issue if you’re scraping the sides smooth to rework the seams and replace the “golf ball rivets” with resin ones anyway. With the possible exception of slightly oversize rivets along the horizontal mid seam, the kit manufacturer does appear to have gotten the ends (1-3-4 improved dreadnaught) right, even the rib taper appears to match photos.
Replacing the kit roof with a Moloco 50’ Stanray Overhanging roof (part #RF-0805), if attached to the locating rib on the top of the kit sides, spaces the roof above the car sides per photos. As the Moloco roof length exactly matches the kit side length, it’s ends would need to be lengthened with styrene strip stock to overhang the car ends per photos.
The kit supplied roofwalk is not see through, so a proper Apex style replacement from KaDee or the photo etched one from Plano would be a must.
Coming up with the correct lettering & heralds might be the most challenging aspect of this kit bash.
The photo shows the kit sides and ends with the Moloco roof.
Chuck Soule
Dennis Storzek
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Small chance of that happening. The NP cars were different -- The BREX (Q) and WFEX (GN) cars were built
in several batches (Q got 3 batches totally 100 cars , GN got five batches totalling 300 cars 1953 to 1961), and
I'm not sure how identical each batch was to the particular FGE cars represented by the model -- but I think there
may have been changes over the several years of batches.
Not that I would not buy a Tangent model of them. I would!! :-D
On 12/7/2022 7:28 PM, spsalso via groups.io wrote:
It'd sure be nice if someone re-did the Golden Spike cars. They'd be quite useful. I'm talking Tangent-y style, here.
GN, NP, Q, FGEX
And that's only the ones I know of.
Edward Sutorik
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Bulk usually refers to unpackaged cargo of relatively low value like grain or chemicals consumed in vast quantities.Minor refinement here, chemicals are shipped in bulk, but they are frequently very high in value.
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHknN98kwpA&t=842s
If you're having trouble finding a donor for the ATSF 50' DD mini-kit just released take a look at about the 14 minute mark on the link above.
Clark Propst
If you think the NP PC&F car looks like the FGE car... I guess it's possible to choose
similarities but that's not going to cut it for a vendor like Tangent. Walthers, yes, but they
already pulled the trigger on that one (a really mediocre model of a 50 foot RP).
On 12/8/2022 12:28 PM, spsalso via groups.io wrote:
Tim,
It looks like the Q car matches my picture of the same side of an NP car NPM 100-149. My photo of the GN car in the series WFEX 800-849 is missing the upper louvered opening on the upper left.
Guess the manufacturer might have to cut another mold section or two.
Anyway. I'd like some, please sir.
Edward Sutorik
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts