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Re: Photo: Breeding & Show Cattle In An Express Reefer

Bruce Hendrick
 

Santa Fe’s #1992 Horse Express car is on public display as part of “Rail Giants” collection at the LA County Fairgrounds (aka Fairplex) in Pomona. The free display is open during the annual fair and one weekend a month. 

The interior of #1992 may be entered and shows moveable dividers to reconfigure the stalls, along with a sink, toilet, and bunk for the horseman. 

Bruce Hendrick 


Re: Photo: Breeding & Show Cattle In An Express Reefer

Thomas Evans
 

The Santa Fe also had quite a number of horse cars.
They were long with 3 doors on each side plus a large door in one end.
I don't know the interior arrangement, but I remember seeing them frequently in service on their transcontinental trains when I was young, probably not in horse service.

Tom E.


Re: Photo: Receiving International Harvester Crawlers At The Great Northern Paper Company

Rich Gibson
 


Re: Photo: Breeding & Show Cattle In An Express Reefer

Bill Parks
 

On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 07:06 PM, Steve SANDIFER wrote:
The Santa Fe at one time had 10 50’ box cars equipped with stalls to handle animals such as polo ponies that did not require express shipment but better than normal shipment
The Seaboard Airline had specially built HW cars for transporting race horses between New York and Florida.  As I remember, they were built in the mid 1920s, and were about 75 ft. long, and had several doors on each side for loading/unloading of the horses.  They had stalls for the horses, along with watering and feeding systems, and space for handlers to ride.  I think they were still in service when SAL and ACL merged into SCL.
 
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Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Photo: Breeding & Show Cattle In An Express Reefer

Paul Krueger
 

Jack, it's one of eleven from the original 50 express reefers that had their bunks removed and reclassified as express and dairy cars. I'm pretty sure the one in the first photo is from the same group of cars. 

These 50 cars were built at the Milwaukee Shops in 1911. The equipment diagram shows "assigned for fish loading" on the side of the car.

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Photo: Receiving International Harvester Crawlers At The Great Northern Paper Company

Steve SANDIFER
 

I’m interested in the location of the vertical brake staff.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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That is a very unusual uncoupling lever on the flatcar with what appears to be a third eye bolt attached to the casting housing  the coupler.  Any ideas which road had that style of flatcar uncoupling levers?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Receiving International Harvester Crawlers At The Great Northern Paper Company

 

Photo: Receiving International Harvester Crawlers At The Great Northern Paper Company

Photo courtesy of James Perz on the Facebook Great Northern Paper Company Employees group.

Flat car is unidentified.

Other than the blocking the crawlers don’t seem to be secured by and cables or chains.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Receiving International Harvester Crawlers At The Great Northern Paper Company

gary laakso
 

That is a very unusual uncoupling lever on the flatcar with what appears to be a third eye bolt attached to the casting housing  the coupler.  Any ideas which road had that style of flatcar uncoupling levers?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 10:29 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Receiving International Harvester Crawlers At The Great Northern Paper Company

 

Photo: Receiving International Harvester Crawlers At The Great Northern Paper Company

Photo courtesy of James Perz on the Facebook Great Northern Paper Company Employees group.

Flat car is unidentified.

Other than the blocking the crawlers don’t seem to be secured by and cables or chains.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Wood Chip Hopper Interiors

Scott H. Haycock
 

Folks,

Thanks for all the ideas about alternate (to paper mills) industries for these cars. 

I wonder, does anyone has any photos of the interior of these cars?

I will be building a model of Norfolk Southern woodchip hopper #4005. This was an ex C&O 3-bay hopper with a wood and angle iron body extension for greater capacity. I'm trying to determine if were any modifications, or additional members were added to the interior of the hopper sidewalls, or were the angle iron supports simply welded to the top bulb angle?

Thanks,
Scott Haycock


Re: Photo: Receiving International Harvester Crawlers At The Great Northern Paper Company

Tim O'Connor
 


Very weird. They're just a few miles apart -- 30 minutes at 10 mph :-D

On 8/3/2022 7:57 PM, Rich Gibson via groups.io wrote:

Good eyes, Bruce!  According to a 1939 BAR timetable, they ran a number of mixed trains to outlying locations in the north woods. One of them was a 30 minute route from Millinocket (where Great Northern Paper was located) to E. Millimocket. Might be it if Millinocket was the photo location. The boxcar with windows could be either a MOW car or one of the BAR cabooses constructed from troop sleepers. 


Rich Gibson
Golden, CO



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pulpwood, Wood Chips: Uses other than Paper?

Eric Hansmann
 

The rayon plant is a large feature on Jim Brewer’s HO scale N&W Shenandoah layout. It was featured in Model Railroad Planning but I can’t recall the year. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 3, 2022, at 7:06 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Didn't someone create a model of one of these plants? -- I don't remember if it was MM or RMJ
or MR or another magazine, but I do remember it was a printed article. Maybe 20 years ago?

Paper and lumber mills can be gigantic.

And another use for "pulpwood" was wooden matches. The Diamond Matches mill up in northern
MN took in dozens of cars every day and shipped them out in 40 foot box cars.


On 8/3/2022 7:53 PM, Craig Zeni wrote:
And in Scott's 1959 rayon and viscose fiber plants were still in production - Celanese at Narrows, VA and North American Rayon at Elizabethton TN were still active. I think Dupont in Waynesboro VA was also a rayon plant.  Rayon and viscose fiber production needs two things in quantity - water and cellulose.

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pulpwood, Wood Chips: Uses other than Paper?

Tim O'Connor
 


Didn't someone create a model of one of these plants? -- I don't remember if it was MM or RMJ
or MR or another magazine, but I do remember it was a printed article. Maybe 20 years ago?

Paper and lumber mills can be gigantic.

And another use for "pulpwood" was wooden matches. The Diamond Matches mill up in northern
MN took in dozens of cars every day and shipped them out in 40 foot box cars.


On 8/3/2022 7:53 PM, Craig Zeni wrote:

And in Scott's 1959 rayon and viscose fiber plants were still in production - Celanese at Narrows, VA and North American Rayon at Elizabethton TN were still active. I think Dupont in Waynesboro VA was also a rayon plant.  Rayon and viscose fiber production needs two things in quantity - water and cellulose.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Receiving International Harvester Crawlers At The Great Northern Paper Company

Rich Gibson
 

Good eyes, Bruce!  According to a 1939 BAR timetable, they ran a number of mixed trains to outlying locations in the north woods. One of them was a 30 minute route from Millinocket (where Great Northern Paper was located) to E. Millimocket. Might be it if Millinocket was the photo location. The boxcar with windows could be either a MOW car or one of the BAR cabooses constructed from troop sleepers. 


Rich Gibson
Golden, CO


Re: Pulpwood, Wood Chips: Uses other than Paper?

Craig Zeni
 

And in Scott's 1959 rayon and viscose fiber plants were still in production - Celanese at Narrows, VA and North American Rayon at Elizabethton TN were still active. I think Dupont in Waynesboro VA was also a rayon plant.  Rayon and viscose fiber production needs two things in quantity - water and cellulose.


Re: Pulpwood, Wood Chips: Uses other than Paper?

Tim O'Connor
 


Until the late 1950's "wood chips" were called "hog fuel" and would be burned as fuel in furnaces
although many sawmills simply burned them outright ! ( Those giant cone shaped burners. ) The
Southern Pacific had a sizable fleet of "hog fuel" cars rebuilt from de-roofed box cars. Hog fuel
wasn't necessarily chips, either -- it could be chunks of discarded wood and shredded bark.

Tim O'Connor


On 8/3/2022 3:48 PM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:

Folks,

The recent photos of pulpwood unloading has spurred a question. In the 1950s, were there any other uses for pulpwood and wood chips aside from paper manufacturing? I have some freight car projects for these type of cars, but no longer model a main line with through trains. I don't have room for a paper mill, so I'm looking for another, smaller industry that may have used these cars s a destination.

Thanks,
Scott Haycock

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pulpwood, Wood Chips: Uses other than Paper?

Tim O'Connor
 


Also, the ground all over the place was covered ankle deep in wood chips.

On 8/3/2022 7:42 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Scott

In Wyoming I observed a loading track for woodchips at a sawmill. There was an overhead
bin, and the car was tied off between two winches on the ground, and they moved it slowly back
and forth under the bin. The bin was fed by an overhead pipe on lightweight 'trestle' legs that
went back to the sawmill, which was hundreds of feet away ! Saratoga comes to mind as the
name of the place, in southern Wyoming west of Laramie. It required no supervision once it
was set up -- It probably took a few hours to load each car, and they'd come out and reset
it with another empty.

Diamond Scale, I believe, made a kit for such an overhead bin. :-)


That would work for pulpwood racks, but what about woodchip hoppers? I've got a photo of a beautiful(?) three bay hopper with wood extensions I'm dying to build, but these cars were loaded at sawmills- another industry too big for my railroad.

Scott Haycock


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pulpwood, Wood Chips: Uses other than Paper?

Tim O'Connor
 

Scott

In Wyoming I observed a loading track for woodchips at a sawmill. There was an overhead
bin, and the car was tied off between two winches on the ground, and they moved it slowly back
and forth under the bin. The bin was fed by an overhead pipe on lightweight 'trestle' legs that
went back to the sawmill, which was hundreds of feet away ! Saratoga comes to mind as the
name of the place, in southern Wyoming west of Laramie. It required no supervision once it
was set up -- It probably took a few hours to load each car, and they'd come out and reset
it with another empty.

Diamond Scale, I believe, made a kit for such an overhead bin. :-)


That would work for pulpwood racks, but what about woodchip hoppers? I've got a photo of a beautiful(?) three bay hopper with wood extensions I'm dying to build, but these cars were loaded at sawmills- another industry too big for my railroad.

Scott Haycock


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pulpwood, Wood Chips: Uses other than Paper?

Drew Bunn
 

I think it'll still work for your needs, Scott.
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On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 6:46 PM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:



My mistake, Drew. I googled Knight Hardwood Flooring' before I saw your Attachment. They have several locations in HC.

Scott Haycock


Drew Bunn wrote:

One of the industries on my future layout is Knight Flooring.

Manufacturer of hardwood flooring for over 100 years,


And they're in North Carolina! I'll research them. Thanks!

Scott Haycock


Re: Pulpwood, Wood Chips: Uses other than Paper?

Jim Betz
 

Scott,
  Most pulp mills had a small storage area for cars - maybe 15 to 20 - so you could model
that yard and put the entire mill "on the backdrop" ... perhaps even do some selective
compression of the size of the yard (number of tracks wide and/or length of the tracks).
  I've seen brass pulpwood cars selling on eBay for very little money - a bit on the slim
side in terms of details but nonetheless serviceable - especially after adding a few
small details and weathering them.  Pulpwood hauls were short - usually less than a
hundred miles and often less than 50 ... so it fits in with your "no longer model a main
line" ...
                                                                                               - Jim in the PNW


Re: Pulpwood, Wood Chips: Uses other than Paper?

Scott H. Haycock
 



My mistake, Drew. I googled Knight Hardwood Flooring' before I saw your Attachment.  They have several locations in HC.

Scott Haycock


Drew Bunn wrote:
One of the industries on my future layout is Knight Flooring.
Manufacturer of hardwood flooring for over 100 years,

And they're in North Carolina! I'll research them. Thanks!

Scott Haycock


Re: Pulpwood, Wood Chips: Uses other than Paper?

Richard Wilkens
 

Rayon fabric is made from wood pulp. That's why in Washington state we had the logging company Rayonier. They also used the tree for making lumber and other purposes.

Rich Wilkens

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