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Re: Tangent December: GATC 10, 000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
Dave Parker
Hmm, well, Sinclair. Over 6000 cars (all reporting marks) from 1930 to 1945, making it the largest private-owner petroleum fleet in the U.S. If one wanted or needed "a bunch" of 1920s-era cars (and I know at least one modeler who does), I'd think you would want a mix to reflect the fleet's diversity. There were indeed 500 ACF Type 21 TM cars, all 10 kgal and modeled well (if not perfectly) by the old P2000 line. There were 1000 of the GA 1917-design cars in the 8 kgal size, and another 300 in the 10 kgal (Tangent could in theory cover both), and then 500 Penn Tank Car Co. cars (also 8000 gal) for which we still have no model.
BTW, as of the 1936 tariff, insulated (TMI) cars were not a major component of the SDRX fleet, to the point where I wouldn't worry about them unless I had a very sizeable model fleet. Last hint: it's hard to find a photo of a 1920s-era SDRX car with a dome platform on the right side. At least among cars that were built to order for Sinclair. I'd omit it for kits, and try to remove it from RTRs. YMMV of course. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA |
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
Lloyd Keyser
Magnet wire works well. I use the wire from the old Kemtron switch machines. It's colored brown and strong. Lloyd On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 5:42 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote: I've used various gauges of magnet wire to wind toroids for ham radio projects, and I ordered most of my layout wire from Remington. They have a wide selection of products at fair prices, so I order direct. You can find Remington wire on Amazon.com, but watch out of overpricing. |
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Re: Photo: SFRD 35258 (Rr-28)
The side sill reinforcement below the door opening has yet to be added to the car.
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Re: C&O 53' 50 ton Gondola
Take a look at the photos at
Railroad-C - Pullman-Library (smugmug.com)
There are a couple of the Greenville batch that can be downloaded.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Wetterstroem
I was recently given a few copies of RP CYC and in issue 4, there is a photo of a C&O gondola hauling freight car trucks. The photo isn't credited that I could see, I would like to find either a hi-res digital copy of this or a quality print. This car was built by ACF, but other similar cars were built by Greenville (29900-29999), Ralston (30000-30099), Bethlehem (31000-31149) & ACF (31150-31549) between 1936-1939. The cars have 12 ribs which doesn't seem to be done in an HO scale model that I have found. Does anyone make a car close to this?
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C&O 53' 50 ton Gondola
I was recently given a few copies of RP CYC and in issue 4, there is a photo of a C&O gondola hauling freight car trucks. The photo isn't credited that I could see, I would like to find either a hi-res digital copy of this or a quality print. This car was built by ACF, but other similar cars were built by Greenville (29900-29999), Ralston (30000-30099), Bethlehem (31000-31149) & ACF (31150-31549) between 1936-1939. The cars have 12 ribs which doesn't seem to be done in an HO scale model that I have found. Does anyone make a car close to this?
Thanks Dave Wetterstroem |
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Re: Tangent December: GATC 10, 000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
A bunch of each? 😉 -Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
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Re: Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
Many tank cars of that era existed in tiny numbers, like less than 10 cars. And for Tangent and Sinclair (SDRX) in particular, Proto 2000 did Sinclair tank cars that were completely accurate ACF cars, so a $20 (or less) model against a $50 GATC model. Nice model, but, if you want a bunch, what will most people buy? On 12/13/2022 11:16 AM, erict1361@... wrote: Dave & Group, --
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Re: Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
Eric. You realize many of the schemes you are asking for were released in October on 8k tanks right.
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Re: Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
Eric Thur
Dave & Group,
Sorry if I was mis understood by my comment. It was in no means a complaint. I have no issues with Tangent and own quite a few of their models. I just made a statement that most of the modelers in this group model Steam era 1920's thru 1955. I agree that the new scheme selection was well thought out, and I am always glad to see any New HO Freight car model released. But it would have been nice to have one or two of the original release paint schemes re-run: Cities Service, Sinclair, GATX, Deep Rock, Union Starch and UTLX cars. Steam Era modelers need these models, since Sunshine no longer exists. I am sure that many 1960's and 1970's Modelers will want the new models. But some of us, myself included, did Not get a chance to purchase the first run, because they sold out so quickly. What I am saying basically is: nice job on the new models, but a couple more common schemes, UTLX, GATX, Sinclar etc. would have sweetened the mix, so to speak. Eric Thur |
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Re: SAL V-9’s
Ray Hutchison
Interesting to me to see the ventilated boxcars with steel sides... as I usually think of these as pre-war cars. Was this simply steel siding on top of double-sheathed cars?
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Re: Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
Eric Hansmann
I think they also produced some Shell tank cars with RPX marks, too.
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Re: Gondola numbers: Greenville & Bethelem vs. Pullman Standard
My guess is that Pullman Standard PS-5's never exceeded the
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Re: Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
Proto 2000 made an accurate Shell tank car. SCCX - I think - was the reporting mark. On 12/13/2022 2:31 AM, Fred Jansz
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Re: Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
Fred Jansz
Hello Tony,
good to hear. No, I wasn't aware of that fact. Unfortunately I know next to nothing about tank cars, recently discovered your excellent blog posts! So thank you for the tip in the right direction. The good thing is I own 2 Tangent UTLX cars. I hope one of the resin guys will consider a Shell car in the near future... cheers, Fred Jansz |
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Re: Northern Pacific Gondola 59204
thanks for filling in the blanks on the Mecha Brand, George. I'll pick up a couple of bottles and give it a try.
Rob |
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Re: New Haven 36' (rebuilt) boxcar series
Thanks Eric for this. This is useful.
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
I would think that the very fine stranded wire in phone cables would look good. Ted Larson -- Ted Larson trainweb.org/mhrr/ -------- NASG.org -------- https://www.nasg.org/Clubs/RegionsMinnesota.php GN in 1965 |
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Re: SAL V-9’s
Larry Goolsby
There are photos of one of these vents wrecked with the smooth sides - I had wondered at one point if they were plywood or steel, but the sides are bent and warped, and otherwise still smooth at the bends - so they aren't plywood.
Larry Goolsby ACL & SAL HS |
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Gondola numbers: Greenville & Bethelem vs. Pullman Standard
Dave Nelson
Anyone have a sense of the number of when (if at all) the Pullman Standard 52ft gondola of the 50’s caught up and exceeded the combined Greenville and Bethlehem designs of the 40’s?
Put another way, about when would a modeler want more Pullman 52ft gons than the others?
FWIW I am putting together a 3d model of the NYC 71000 series of gons, home built, which I understand are very similar to the Bethlehem design (see attached image) using drawings purchased from the NYC Historical Society – a strictly non-commercial effort – and I got curious about the demographics of 52.5 ft gons, hence my question, above.
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Re: New Haven 36' (rebuilt) boxcar series
whoops, forgot the spreadsheet.... On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 5:42 PM Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:
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