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Re: Question on Illinois Terminal 50 yon war emergeny hopper 4000-4074 series

roy wojahn
 

Gotcha! I guess coal can survive without a cover. But would they not use their own uncovered hoppers to haul coal their own power plants?

Roy

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 04:42:46 PM PST, Dennis Storzek via groups.io <soolinehistory@...> wrote:


On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 05:36 PM, roy wojahn wrote:
Or to carry coal.
He's talking about the second photo, the car with the very home made looking roof.

Dennis Storzek


Re: QUESTION FIR THE SANTA FE GURUS

Robert J Miller CFA
 

The photo of Ga-53 # 176319 at the bottom of P. 146 clearly shows the end of an air reservoir as does the photo of Wa-53 # 200552 on page 148 - Wa-53 was a class marking for cars in company work service.

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The SFRM&HS' SANTA FE OPEN-TOP CARS, by Richard Hendrickson, has photos of the GA-53 cars on pages 146-148. While most of the underside stuff is hidden in the shadows, a couple of the photos do show what may be the end of the brake reservoir that is mounted perpendicular to the center sill.

Cheers.
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


Re: Question on Illinois Terminal 50 yon war emergeny hopper 4000-4074 series

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 05:36 PM, roy wojahn wrote:
Or to carry coal.
He's talking about the second photo, the car with the very home made looking roof.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Question on Illinois Terminal 50 yon war emergeny hopper 4000-4074 series

Don Burn
 

I would say glass, the IT covered a lot of the area where glass manufacturing was done in Illinois. They were still carrying materials for glass in the late 1960's when I went to college in central Illinois.

Don Burn

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I guess the covered hopper was to carry materials for the manufacture of glass or more probably powdered lime stone as a flux in the steel industry.


Re: Question on Illinois Terminal 50 yon war emergeny hopper 4000-4074 series

roy wojahn
 

Or to carry coal. Didn't they serve some strip coal mines?

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 03:33:19 PM PST, Philip Dove <philipdove22@...> wrote:


I guess the covered hopper was to carry materials for the manufacture of glass or more probably powdered lime stone as a flux in the steel industry. 


Re: Question on Illinois Terminal 50 yon war emergeny hopper 4000-4074 series

Philip Dove
 

I guess the covered hopper was to carry materials for the manufacture of glass or more probably powdered lime stone as a flux in the steel industry. 


Re: Photo: Reading Depressed Center Flat Car 99048 With Gun Barrel

Bruce Smith
 

Ed,

I noticed that you deleted the part of this post commenting that the PRR F22 did not have the capacity to handle 240,000 lbs. I'm guessing you realize that the PRR cars were built as 75 ton cars and upgraded by WWII to 95 ton cars, making each car's capacity 190,000 lbs and a doublet capable of handling 380,000 lbs. I think, for other folks reading, it is also important to realize that the capacity (CAPY) is not the important number, but rather the load limit (LD LMT) is the number that matters. On each F22 gun flat, that was in the area of  207,000 lbs, and a couplet (pair) would be at capacity at just over 400,000 lbs. Also of critical importance, is that the structure of the F22 gun flat allowed the entire load to be carried in the middle of the span, an unusual feature for a flat car. So yeah, when I see a model of a pair of PRR FM (50 ton) cars with a 16" 50 cal mark VII barrel, I cringe!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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The barrel in the photo of the Reading car has the same profile as a 16" 50 caliber Mark 7 barrel.  The barrel weighed about 240,000 pounds.  That's within the car's capacity.

The support structure is clearly not meant for only in-house use.

And I note that there's still one rod that has to be installed--just laying there!






Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Assignment of Reporting Marks

Bill Parks
 

Talk about an unreadable signature.  Thanks for sharing.


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Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Photo: Reading Depressed Center Flat Car 99048 With Gun Barrel

spsalso
 
Edited

The barrel in the photo of the Reading car has the same profile as a 16" 50 caliber Mark 7 barrel.  The barrel weighed about 240,000 pounds.  That's within the car's capacity.

The support structure is clearly not meant for only in-house use.

And I note that there's still one rod that has to be installed--just laying there!






Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Photo: Reading Depressed Center Flat Car 99048 With Gun Barrel

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Tim, George, and List Members,


Tim, while the load COULD CONCEIVABLY have been shipped in the manner you described, I do thing George knew what he was talking about.


See attached image...


Claus Schlund



On 03-Dec-22 15:43, Tim O'Connor wrote:

George

A gun barrel would not have been carried by that car. It would be mounted on two flat deck cars with a pivot
on each car for a really long barrel like a 16" naval barrel. AMB made a laser kit for these mounts for application to
the short PRR (F22) and MILW flats built for this purpose.



On 12/3/2022 2:18 PM, G.J. Irwin wrote:
Reviving this thread as Micro-Trains has among its December 2022 releases an N Scale rendition of this very car, Reading 99048, and with a battleship gun barrel load included (assembly and painting required). 

https://micro-trains.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=63_64&product_id=4690

Sometimes the groups.io search works perfectly, as this citation came right up.  It's probably the first time I've seen Micro-Trains use a photo on Reddit as a reference, but say, ideas can come from anywhere.  Bob, thanks much for posting this.

Now, to try to find some information on Reading 9241, a fifty foot flat car that Micro-Trains is also offering this month as a companion "buffer car."  It's a Reading Class FMc flat built in 1937, looks like part of the series 9200 to 9249 according to the January 1940 ORER.  The image on Reddit does indeed show a flat car coupled to the 99048 but the lettering isn't visible. The fact that "Reading" is a common verb as well as a railroad name should make searches interesting...

George Irwin

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Assignment of Reporting Marks

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

 

As promised, here is a letter from the American Railway Association dated September 12, 1923 making assignment of the reporting marks for use of the John H. Grace Company.

 

The business of the company was largely refurbishing previously owned and leasing them out to clients so the G.R.Y.X. reporting marks were seen on a wide variety of older tank cars, but some new built tanks and other car types also used the marks (probably most notably, the Empire Fuel Coal Company G.R.Y.X. 1018 box car which has been produced in N Scale by Micro-Trains.

 

Charlie Vlk

 

 

 

From: Charles Vlk <cvlk@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2022 9:59 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ORER search 1937-1944

 

All-

Guy is correct.   I have a copy of a letter that granted Grace Tank Car line their reporting marks.   I'm not at my main computer to access it right now and it was likely predecessor ARA given the authority as the company was active earlier. If of interest I will post it later.

Charlie Vlk



On Dec 3, 2022, at 12:03 AM, Guy Wilber via groups.io <guycwilber@...> wrote:



Rupert wrote:

 

“Yes, I found that one. RICX wasn’t officially allocated to the company until 1937 which is why I didn’t ask for searches before that date.. Any idea who allocated or approved the letters?”

 

The Operating Section of The Operating-Transportation Division of The Association of American Railroads was charged with assigning reporting marks from 1934 forward.  

 

Guy Wilber

Reno, Nevada


Re: ORER search 1937-1944

Ian Cranstone
 

My pleasure Steve... I've certainly spent a lot of time building it, and am very glad that folks find it useful.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...


On 2022-12-02 20:49, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

Ian Cranstone's list of reporting marks show it was used by Rustless Iron, but he also points out that nothing was listed in the ORER's.

 

(Ian reviewed many, many ORER's to build his database and we are the beneficiaries.  Thanks, Ian!)

 

Steve Hile


Viking roof for Branchline AAR 1937 boxcar.

David
 

Also W&LE and WM.


Re: July 1958 ORER on Google Books

Ian Cranstone
 

As a bonus, it's actually two issues: midway the July 1958 ORER ends, and the October 1958 ORER begins.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...


On 2022-12-03 16:09, Tim O'Connor wrote:


No trouble downloading it, but it's quite huge -- over 300 MBytes.


On 12/1/2022 10:10 AM, Ray Breyer via groups.io wrote:
Get it while its hot! Or at least before someone realizes that it needs to be copyright protected and not downloadable.
 
 


Re: July 1958 ORER on Google Books

Tim O'Connor
 


No trouble downloading it, but it's quite huge -- over 300 MBytes.


On 12/1/2022 10:10 AM, Ray Breyer via groups.io wrote:

Get it while its hot! Or at least before someone realizes that it needs to be copyright protected and not downloadable.



Ray Breyer

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: QUESTION FIR THE SANTA FE GURUS

Tim O'Connor
 


Oops, you're right, Bill. What I thought was the reservoir was actually the brake cylinder. :-)

On 12/3/2022 3:49 PM, Bill Keene via groups.io wrote:

The SFRM&HS' SANTA FE OPEN-TOP CARS, by Richard Hendrickson, has photos of the GA-53 cars on pages 146-148. While most of the underside stuff is hidden in the shadows, a couple of the photos do show what may be the end of the brake reservoir that is mounted perpendicular to the center sill.  

Cheers.
Bill Keene

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: QUESTION FIR THE SANTA FE GURUS

Bill Keene
 

The SFRM&HS' SANTA FE OPEN-TOP CARS, by Richard Hendrickson, has photos of the GA-53 cars on pages 146-148. While most of the underside stuff is hidden in the shadows, a couple of the photos do show what may be the end of the brake reservoir that is mounted perpendicular to the center sill.

Cheers.
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


Re: Photo: Reading Depressed Center Flat Car 99048 With Gun Barrel

Tim O'Connor
 

George

A gun barrel would not have been carried by that car. It would be mounted on two flat deck cars with a pivot
on each car for a really long barrel like a 16" naval barrel. AMB made a laser kit for these mounts for application to
the short PRR (F22) and MILW flats built for this purpose.



On 12/3/2022 2:18 PM, G.J. Irwin wrote:

Reviving this thread as Micro-Trains has among its December 2022 releases an N Scale rendition of this very car, Reading 99048, and with a battleship gun barrel load included (assembly and painting required). 

https://micro-trains.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=63_64&product_id=4690

Sometimes the groups.io search works perfectly, as this citation came right up.  It's probably the first time I've seen Micro-Trains use a photo on Reddit as a reference, but say, ideas can come from anywhere.  Bob, thanks much for posting this.

Now, to try to find some information on Reading 9241, a fifty foot flat car that Micro-Trains is also offering this month as a companion "buffer car."  It's a Reading Class FMc flat built in 1937, looks like part of the series 9200 to 9249 according to the January 1940 ORER.  The image on Reddit does indeed show a flat car coupled to the 99048 but the lettering isn't visible. The fact that "Reading" is a common verb as well as a railroad name should make searches interesting...

George Irwin

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: QUESTION FIR THE SANTA FE GURUS

Tim O'Connor
 


Bill, I can't tell from the Ga-53 builder photo, but this builder photo of the very similar Ga-49 shows the brake reservoir
parallel and located next to the deep fishbelly center sill.


On 12/3/2022 2:57 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:


I posted this question a while back without any success so I'm giving it another shot.  I am working on completing a Santa Fe Ga-53 50 foot mill gondola.  There was a great set of drawings in a 1957 Model Railroader but it left one question on the layout of the AB brake components.

The standard Santa Fe layout had the brake reservoir mounted perpendicular to the center sill.  There were a few but not many exceptions. The drawings in the Model Railroader issue has the reservoir parallel to the center sill.  Can anyone verify this?

Thanks for any help.

Bill Pardie


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


QUESTION FIR THE SANTA FE GURUS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



I posted this question a while back without any success so I'm giving it another shot.  I am working on completing a Santa Fe Ga-53 50 foot mill gondola.  There was a great set of drawings in a 1957 Model Railroader but it left one question on the layout of the AB brake components.

The standard Santa Fe layout had the brake reservoir mounted perpendicular to the center sill.  There were a few but not many exceptions. The drawings in the Model Railroader issue has the reservoir parallel to the center sill.  Can anyone verify this?

Thanks for any help.

Bill Pardie

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