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Gondola numbers: Greenville & Bethelem vs. Pullman Standard
Dave Nelson
Anyone have a sense of the number of when (if at all) the Pullman Standard 52ft gondola of the 50’s caught up and exceeded the combined Greenville and Bethlehem designs of the 40’s?
Put another way, about when would a modeler want more Pullman 52ft gons than the others?
FWIW I am putting together a 3d model of the NYC 71000 series of gons, home built, which I understand are very similar to the Bethlehem design (see attached image) using drawings purchased from the NYC Historical Society – a strictly non-commercial effort – and I got curious about the demographics of 52.5 ft gons, hence my question, above.
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Re: New Haven 36' (rebuilt) boxcar series
whoops, forgot the spreadsheet.... On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 5:42 PM Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:
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Re: Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
midrly
The Imperial Oil cars were owned by Standard Oil's Canadian subsidiary. Imperial Oil had then and now a refinery in Sarnia, Ontario. Photos of Imperial Oil cars bearing this lettering date from the builders to the 1940's and later. Steve Lucas |
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
Nelson Moyer
I've used various gauges of magnet wire to wind toroids for ham radio projects, and I ordered most of my layout wire from Remington. They have a wide selection of products at fair prices, so I order direct. You can find Remington wire on Amazon.com, but watch out of overpricing.
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Re: New Haven 36' (rebuilt) boxcar series
Hello, Ray... Here is a spreadsheet tracing all the series of NH 36' box cars as initially built, then rebuilt, then retrucked. I believe you will be able to answer your question(s) from the data. This spreadsheet is also in the files. Eric Lombard Homewood, IL On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 9:48 PM Ray Carson via groups.io <PrewarUPModeler=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
I noticed on Nelson's web link there is also tinned (not tinted) copper wire 30 AWG which is .010. I didn't even know this kind of wire product existed! :-) On 12/12/2022 5:14 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
Philip Dove
I used a similar technique to Doug Harding, using filaments from multistrand electrical flex. I assume the twist involved the wires being put round the uprights as a loop and then tightened by someone putting a strong bar between the loop and twisting to finally tighten the cable. Many pipes have stencilled markings on them l represented those by using tiny scraps of numeric data off German steam loco decals, they look good. Don't letter every pipe as some will have the information on the underside of the pipe. |
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
I have heard that the wire Athearn began using for their Chinese RTR models is some special formulation that is easily bent and I think it's .010 +/- On 12/12/2022 2:56 PM, Hudson Leighton wrote: You can get spools of stainless steel wire from Jewelry Suppliers, you can get very thin wire. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
owlmtmodels
I've generally used 6lb-test fishing line for most of my iron wire ties. Link to my page with redrawn graphic based on AAR loading standards. I'll probably do a more in depth blog post about it soon. OwlMtModels - AAR Loading Diagrams Attached photo of a couple lumber loads with this type of wire modeling. In scale, fishing line actually holds tension of the twisted stick better than small wire. http://nightowlmodeler.blogspot.com/2022/09/open-loads-part-4-building-bridge.html Jason Hill Owlmtmodels.com |
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
Rule in 1942 for poles, pilings, on flatcars, between stakes, 11 ga wire, 6 strands 3 wrappings. p. 10 of the 1951 Rules calls the same. One full loop (or wrap) around two stakes is considered 2 strands. So 3 loops is 6 strands. Put a piece of scale 1x4 between the loops and twist till taunt. 11 ga wire is 0.1205 or 1/8” as called out in the AAR rules I have super fine stranded wire that is .004, or as Dennis points out, ¼” in HO, or close to 7 ga wire 7 ga only calls for 2 strands or a single loop. Lamp cord will yield about the same.
Doug Harding https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/ Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Griffin
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 1:13 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Securing Pipe Loads
Friends, My photo shows some .006 brass wire I started to twist to get close to scale size of the multiple wire sizes recommended to be wrapped together to secure the load from too much movement. I am curious if anyone has tried this and their techniques before I go down the rabbit hole and build a jig to twist the wire. Bruce D. Griffin
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Re: Northern Pacific Gondola 59204
gtws00
Rob, I have been trying this newer Vallejjo Mecha Brand and really like it.. The gloss finish is very durable from what I have seen. There are not as many colors but more seem to be coming.
Here is al ink to Vallejo Site Vallejo Mecha Color (acrylicosvallejo.com) George Tomann |
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
Guy Wilber
Bruce Griffin wrote:
"My layout sees through trains to the port of Baltimore at Locust Point and many 1940 and 50 period photos have pipe loads presumably for export. I have reviewed the various period AAR diagrams and period photos and the AAR recommendations don’t seem to have been followed all the time, so I am only trying it on a few loads."
The AAR diagrams were not recommendations, they were the minimum requirements for open top loads offered in interchange. What year are you modeling the loads for and what year are the diagrams from? The steel pipe industry was using steel banding for various loads beginning in the late 1930s, so you might consider that avenue as well.
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
Nelson Moyer
Not sure why two of the same image were attached.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 2:14 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Securing Pipe Loads
Remington Industries sells tinted magnet wire down to 40 AWG. I twisted strands to make tie-down cable for my tractor loads.
High Quality Wire and Raw Material Distributors | Remington Industries
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek via groups.io
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 12:37 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
I don't think he's looking for cable as he's trying to model the soft iron wire that was looped around the tops of the stakes (sometimes several strands) spliced to itself, then twisted with a bar to draw the stakes tight. I would start
with a super flexible cord like lamp cord and separate a few strands. The more flexible the cord, the smaller the strands and the more of them. Standard AWG (American Wire Gauge) sizes go down to 40, which is .003 in diameter, which is 1/4 inch in HO scale.
The strands should be dead soft so they can be twisted back on themselves to splice. Bonus points if you can find wire that is pre-tinned, as that will be the correct color.
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
Nelson Moyer
Remington Industries sells tinted magnet wire down to 40 AWG. I twisted strands to make tie-down cable for my tractor loads.
High Quality Wire and Raw Material Distributors | Remington Industries
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 1:47 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Securing Pipe Loads
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 12:37 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
I don't think he's looking for cable as he's trying to model the soft iron wire that was looped around the tops of the stakes (sometimes several strands) spliced to itself, then twisted with a bar to draw the stakes tight. I would start
with a super flexible cord like lamp cord and separate a few strands. The more flexible the cord, the smaller the strands and the more of them. Standard AWG (American Wire Gauge) sizes go down to 40, which is .003 in diameter, which is 1/4 inch in HO scale.
The strands should be dead soft so they can be twisted back on themselves to splice. Bonus points if you can find wire that is pre-tinned, as that will be the correct color.
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
Hudson Leighton
You can get spools of stainless steel wire from Jewelry Suppliers, you can get very thin wire.
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
Dennis Storzek
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 12:37 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
I don't think he's looking for cable as he's trying to model the soft iron wire that was looped around the tops of the stakes (sometimes several strands) spliced to itself, then twisted with a bar to draw the stakes tight. I would start with a super flexible cord like lamp cord and separate a few strands. The more flexible the cord, the smaller the strands and the more of them. Standard AWG (American Wire Gauge) sizes go down to 40, which is .003 in diameter, which is 1/4 inch in HO scale. The strands should be dead soft so they can be twisted back on themselves to splice. Bonus points if you can find wire that is pre-tinned, as that will be the correct color. Dennis Storzek |
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Re: Photo: SFRD 35258 (Rr-28)
Steve Hoxie commented:
I think it is a good assumption that 35258 has just been repainted but has yet to be reweighed. The LD LMT AND LT WT data has yet to be applied. Maybe when the workman finishes applying the repack data the car will be taken to the scales. The weigh station and date info has already been applied so the trip to the scales is imminent. This is San Bernardino in October 1951. Great photo! |
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Re: Securing Pipe Loads
In the past there has been HO scale wire cable available... I don't recall the vendor's name but I know I have some in the workshop. You could buy a spool of motor armature wire and take several strands and just twist them together :-) On 12/12/2022 2:12 AM, Bruce Griffin wrote:
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Re: Athearn Blue Box Prototypes
Thank you Tim!
-- Ken Adams Covid Variants may come and go but I choose to still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude Location: About half way up Walnut Creek Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io |
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Re: CBT PRRX43C cars
Jeffrey White
Thanks for the information. They must have corrected the roofs
because these kits do have a diagonal pattern roof. Jeff White On 12/11/2022 4:10 PM, Brian Carlson
via groups.io wrote:
The X43C should have the the following |
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