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Re: Interesting trio of Washington Terminal MoW cars
I agree that these are PRR cars. That should not come as a particular surprise given that
the PRR was a partner in the Washington Terminal and that the WT's wreck derrick and idler car are an ex PRR W120 (120 ton brownhoist, aka the Tichy crane) and a F24 (preserved at the Baltimore museum)
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2022 11:16 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting trio of Washington Terminal MoW cars
I think the flat car is a Pennsy FL class. These had a shallower fishbelly side sill than the later FM cars.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Storzek via groups.io <soolinehistory@...> wrote:
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Re: Interesting trio of Washington Terminal MoW cars
Eric Hansmann
Indeed, those jacking pads at the bolsters are a Pennsy XL design feature. The B&O M-12 and M-13 class box cars followed similar designs but lacked the jacking pads.
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I think the flat car is a Pennsy FL class. These had a shallower fishbelly side sill than the later FM cars. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Storzek via groups.io <soolinehistory@...> wrote:
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Re: Interesting trio of Washington Terminal MoW cars
Dennis Storzek
On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 10:53 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
I propose PRR class XL boxcars - see link below...Bingo! The combined jacking pad / poling pocket castings at the bolster locations cinch the deal. Dennis Storzek |
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Re: Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
Dave Parker
On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 08:33 PM, <erict1361@...> wrote:
Excellent Models BTW, but only Three of the Eight schemes offered can be used correctly for Steam Era, Two of the three (Imperial and Union Oil) are pretty much West Coast based. The only car that could be used on most on Eastern and Mid-West Steam Era Layout's is your BMX “Barrett Tarvia” 1938+I don't understand the basis of this complaint. First, I get 4 out of 8 as being steam-ear appropriate, although I would agree that the Alaska car might be a bit specialized geographically. But if you look at prior 1917-design non-insulated offerings, you'll see that 4/4 of the 10-kgal cars, and 12/13 of the 8-kgal cars, were steam-era cars. And, they included UTLX, GATX, and Sinclair cars. What could be more universally useful than those? Having worked with David on some of the artwork for these cars, I can also say that it's not a matter of picking a few schemes from a much larger pool of possible ones. David is committed to very detailed and prototypical accurate stenciling. The limiting factor, especially for the pre-WWII cars, is photographs of sufficient quality to allow accurate reproduction of the lettering. I have scoured the earth for Barrett photos, and the one of BMX 4567 that forms the basis for this release is the only one good enough for Tangent's purposes in either the 8- or 10-kgal size. When I look at Tangent's offerings overall, it's clear that the business model focuses primarily on post-1960 freight cars. I for one am extremely grateful for the excellent tank-car models that are of use for our era.. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA |
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Re: Interesting trio of Washington Terminal MoW cars
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
With respect to Harriman boxcars, I don't think so.
I propose PRR class XL boxcars - see link below...
https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_09087
Claus Schlund
On 11-Dec-22 11:46, O Fenton Wells
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Re: Interesting trio of Washington Terminal MoW cars
The boxcars look like Harriman boxcars from the very early 1900's. See Westerfield for more info. fenton On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 11:38 AM Ben Sullivan <ben.sullivan75@...> wrote: While perusing eBay, I came across this trio of images showing MoW cars at Washington Terminal in Washington, DC which I thought to particularly interesting: --
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Re: Interesting trio of Washington Terminal MoW cars
lrkdbn
The two house cars look like ex PRR XL type work cars.
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Interesting trio of Washington Terminal MoW cars
While perusing eBay, I came across this trio of images showing MoW cars at Washington Terminal in Washington, DC which I thought to particularly interesting:
 Washington Term # 503 Ivy City DC 1/1/75 https://www.ebay.com/itm/364071684656  Washington Term # 502 Ivy City DC 1/1/75
 Washington Term # 506 Ivy City DC 1/1/75 https://www.ebay.com/itm/364071684938 Interested to hear folks' thoughts on the background of these cars. Found it fascinating they were still in use as late as 1975, albeit as house/tool cars. Almost looks like there's vapor coming from the air lines on the gondola. Thx! -- Ben Sullivan Brookeville, MD |
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Re: Looking for best H0scale Allied Full Cushion trucks
vapeurchapelon
Many thanks, Ben! Indeed these look right - no end brake shoes, but cross bars between truck sides. I will try them.
Thanks again and greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Dezember 2022 um 16:44 Uhr
Von: "Benjamin Hom" <b.hom@...> An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Looking for best H0scale Allied Full Cushion trucks Johannes Markwart asked:
"I have a ATSF [Fe-24] (at least I think so) 50' steel box car with inferior trucks which I need to replace. A lot of these cars rode on Allied Full Cushion trucks, so I would like to use them on that model. But I wonder which are the best available? My standard is the quality offered by TAHOE, and I am looking to get something close."
I like the Athearn trucks. These are recent tooling and NOT legacy MDC or Blue Box.
Ben Hom
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Re: Athearn Blue Box Prototypes
Kenneth Montero
The bay window caboose is from a Southern Pacific prototype.
The large wrecking crane is from a Union Pacific prototype.
The Pickle car is from a Heinz prototype.
Ken Montero
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Re: Belfast and moosehead lake switch list
ted schnepf
Hi Jay, someone ahead of you. Ted Schnepf Elgin, Illinois 847-697-5353 On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 9:27 AM Jay Styron <jaystyron@...> wrote: I’m sure the folks on Friends of the Belfast and Moosehead Lake RR facebook group would love to have this. If they haven’t sold, maybe I’ll buy them and send them to Maine, |
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Re: Athearn Blue Box Prototypes
On 12/11/2022 10:20 AM, Bruce Hendrick wrote:
ATHEARN model prototype Rotary Snowplow Lima-Hamilton 1948 -- SOO/UP/CRI&P 200 ton crane Bucyrus-Erie bay window caboose SP C-40-4, built by PC&F 1961 cupola caboose ATSF 1750-2200, needs toolboxes both sides wide vision caboose Rock Island, unique short wheelbase rebuild 40' stockcar UP S-40-12, with reversed roof panels 40' steel boxcar 1942 AAR 10'6" S-corner ends Soo/IC/DSS&A 50' dbl dr steel box ATSF Fe-24 (distinct rivet pattern) except for S-corner ends 40' grain loading box UP BF-50-3 rebuilds except for incorrect ends 40' hicube ribbed PC&F SP/SSW B-70-36 40' hicube smooth UP BF-50-4 50' sgl dr steel box 1942 AAR resembles SP B-50-22 and others 50' plug dr boxcar accurate 1960's ACF sides with 1942 ends 50' plug dr xpost box a mish-mosh of features, no prototype 50' single door Railbox XAF10 with incorrect roof 50' double door Railbox no prototype, a real hack job 86' hicube 4-door Greenville (sort of) 86' hicube 8-door Thrall (sort of) 40' DS boxcar based on 1930's GN cars but too tall 40' 4-bay offset hopper 1928 ARA similar to B&O/MP/MILW/B&M/C&O/ERIE/NH 34' composite hopper 1943 War Emergency 34' offset hopper AAR standard (one variation) 34' ribside hopper resembles some VGN, N&W & RI (exN&W) cars 40' steel reefer PCF R-40-23 PFE & NP 40' wood reefer PFE R-40-24 stand in 50' mech reefer PFE R-70-8 with incorrect roof and ends 50' exterior post reefer PFE R-70-12 with incorrect roof and ends 57' mech reefer PFE R-70-20 50' gondola AAR mill gondola with fixed ends, but too short 50' covered gondola same car with a roof -- the roof is nicely done 3-bay covered hopper PS-2 4740 1968-1972 4-bay covered hopper ACF 5250 early, only plastic pellet outlets 40' single dome tank GATC (SP O-50-13) dome needs to be raised 62' tankcar ACF 25,000 gallon GN, CB&Q 40' chemical tankcar many problems! 40' 3-dome tankcar so many problems and grossly oversize! 40' flatcar Rutland (by sheer coincidence!) 85' piggyback flat Pullman F85B 1960-1961 86' all purpose flat flush deck 4 feet too short heavy duty flatcar Commonwealth cast steel; model is oversize 40' pulpwood flatcar possibly based on a rather obscure MP prototype 50' flatcar many 13-pockets cars existed but no exact match 25' TOFC trailers vaguely similar to some prototypes gondola canisters similar to LV, NYC, D&H cement cannisters gondola containers similar to N&W gondola containers -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Re: Looking for best H0scale Allied Full Cushion trucks
Benjamin Hom
Johannes Markwart asked: "I have a ATSF [Fe-24] (at least I think so) 50' steel box car with inferior trucks which I need to replace. A lot of these cars rode on Allied Full Cushion trucks, so I would like to use them on that model. But I wonder which are the best available? My standard is the quality offered by TAHOE, and I am looking to get something close." I like the Athearn trucks. These are recent tooling and NOT legacy MDC or Blue Box. Ben Hom |
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Looking for best H0scale Allied Full Cushion trucks
vapeurchapelon
Hello friends,
I have a ATSF Bx-Fe-24 (at least I think so) 50' steel box car with inferior trucks which I need to replace. A lot of these cars rode on Allied Full Cushion trucks, so I would like to use them on that model. But I wonder which are the best available? My standard is the quality offered by TAHOE, and I am looking to get something close. Many thanks for any advice, and many greetings Johannes |
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Re: Belfast and moosehead lake switch list
Jay Styron
I’m sure the folks on Friends of the Belfast and Moosehead Lake RR facebook group would love to have this. If they haven’t sold, maybe I’ll buy them and send them to Maine,
-Jay Styron |
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Athearn Blue Box Prototypes
Bruce Hendrick
The recent question about the Bowser boxcar prototype peaks my interest into what are the actual prototypes of the classic Athearn Blue Box freight cars. Despite being on the market since the 1950s I’ve don’t recall ever seeing this information for their 40’ boxcar, reefer, stock, flat, tank cars, 50’ flat & gons, along with several specialized cars that made up the original shake-the-box line that introduced most of us to the hobby. I know the caboose is a good representation of the early ATSF steel caboose and others may also be of Santa Fe roots.
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Re: Pagnoni Presses, was Question about 40 ft. gondolas
Paul Doggett
Wow that’s amazing
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Paul Doggett. England 🏴 On 11 Dec 2022, at 15:00, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: Pagnoni Presses, was Question about 40 ft. gondolas
Wow!! I want one. :-D On 12/9/2022 10:17 PM, mlredden1 wrote:
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Re: Bowser HO 50' boxcar prototype?
Correct. Even the second hand owners of the X32's (NP, OP&E, WABASH) saw no reason to replace the original roofs. It's a goofy model. Reminds of the hideous Roundhouse/Model Die Casting 50 foot car they did in the 1960's! On 12/11/2022 8:56 AM, David via groups.io wrote: It doesn't have one; it's their PRR X32 modified with a rectangular-panel roof. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Re: Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
Nelson Moyer
You flatter me, but in the interest of full transparency and disclosure, I sold five Sunshine tank car kits after RCW came out with their tank car kits. I’ve build one F&C, two SC&F, and six RCW tank car kits – no Sunshine.
Nelson Moyer
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On Behalf Of A&Y Dave in MD
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2022 7:44 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
Excellent offerings. You can’t please all the people all the time, but this line pleases me. Backdating the Barrett will be fun and will have a so much better result than a Sunshine kit (unless you’re named Nelson and I am not anywhere
close to that skill level).
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