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Re: A few reefers unloading produce in Chicago

Ken O'Brien
 

Been following this from the start and I seem to think this is the Erie 28th Street yard, looking east from the vicinity of the West Side Highway. The building in the right  background looks like the Erie freight-house, with the stepped brick facade. This yard was on the southwest side of Manhattan, served by an Erie float bridge. It was one city block wide and 1.5-2 city blocks long. Eleventh thru 13th Avenues (run north south in Manhattan) There were a number of yards in the vicinity, with the LV and B&O just south of the Erie. All car float served. The NYC had a direct connection further  North in Manhattan, so no float bridge needed there. Busy scene, but long closed.


Re: Preserved cars in northwestern PA

jace6315
 

A few spots that come to mind: there's an ore jenny and a flat lettered for B&LE at the Greenville, PA railroad museum park (plus a couple of cabs and a unique URR 0-10-2). There also may still be a couple of detrucked 40' boxcars alongside the B&LE main in town.

There's a restored PC, ex NYC, box in Shippensburg now supporting the local rail trail.

I haven't been there for a few years but Weirton, WV was always worth the visit if you like old, beat up steel mill gons some of which can be seen on the Main Street bridge over the mill trackage. Some 20 years ago or so I came across a PS-0 box in Steubenville on the Ohio side of the river but I suspect that's long gone.

Jim



-------- Original Message --------
On Jul 31, 2022, 8:30 PM, Steve SANDIFER < steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

That’s Harlansburg. 2 Hwt PRR Pullmans and 2 Lwt PRR coaches based on what I see on Google Earth.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Boss
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2022 8:14 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Preserved cars in northwestern PA

 

Harlinburg Pa has a small collection of PRR passenger cars, it used to also be a museum as well. It is at Pa RT19& PA RT108. PA RT108 exits right off I 79
DAVE

On Saturday, July 30, 2022, Robert G P <bobgp5109@...> wrote:
> Thank you guys a lot! Very handy information!
>
> -Bob
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 3:46 PM Schleigh Mike via groups.io <mike_schleigh=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bob!
>> Titusville (Oil Creek & Titusville) has a three-compartment Standard Tank Car Shell Tanker we have mentioned in the past.  Lake Shore Railway at North East (just east of Erie on US 20) has an AC&F built X-3 as well as a number of freight and passenger cars.  Not to mention quite a collection of GE locos and a nifty fireless Heisler.  Lots of freight trains on the old NYC and NKP main lines right at the station museum.
>> Regards from Grove City (right along your route) in Penna----Mike Schleigh
>> On Saturday, July 30, 2022, 11:44:45 AM EDT, Robert G P <bobgp5109@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I will be in Pittsburgh and Northwestern PA and the most eastern point of OH this weekend and am curious if there are any accessible preserved/stored/derelict transition era cars of any type known to be in the region along (and not far from) the I-79 corridor north of Pittsburgh? Or in the vicinity of Pittsburgh? Even as far East as Erie?
>> Will also be watching trains in Pitts as well. 
>> Thanks a lot! 
>> -Bob
>


Re: stock car capacity

Steve SANDIFER
 

What year? What kind of animal? They vary. For instance Chicago’s record for the greatest number of stock cars received in one 24 hour period was 3,228 cars.  Wow.

The stock yard records I have say how many animals were shipped out vs. shipped in, but it does not say to which destination they were shipped.  If they were feeder animals, they could have gone anywhere for fattening. If a rancher was changing breeds or wanting new bloodlines those animals could go anywhere, not necessarily to slaughter.

The records can be found in the Chicago Stock Yard Archives at the University of Illinois Chicago. The info is in the Chicago Board of Trade annual reports. Those records do break down how many animals arrived each year by railroad and how many were shipped out by railroad. Since I was only interested in ATSF, those are the only records I have.  Being a western railroad, most ATSF cars left the stock yards empty. For instance, in 1943, ATSF brought in 10 cars of horses, 2426 cars of cattle, 4160 cars of calves, 141 cars of hogs, 1138 cars of sheep, for a total of  7875 cars. They only shipped out 34 cars, primarily cattle. Santa Fe was a much larger patron of the Kansas City Stock Yards than Chicago. In 1945 the ATSF sent 26,076 car loads to KC and took away 6413 loads from the yards to other places.

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Patrik
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 3:03 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity

 

Thank you Guy Wilber. I should have known that the numbers of livestock would vary by the weights of the animals. Very enlightening.

 

I recently read a fascinating book, Slaughterhouse: Chicago's Union Stock Yards and the World It Made, by Dominic Pacyga. In the 1920's, Union Stock Yards was unloading and selling on average around 50,000 head of livestock a day, a large percentage of which were reloaded into their cars and then shipped to packing houses mainly in the East. Since I like modeling stock cars, I was wondering how many cars would be traversing my Fort Wayne Division a day, I would guess in stock/produce hotshots. So your capacity numbers give me some understanding of how many cars might be moving East. Thank you.

 

On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 1:20 PM Guy Wilber via groups.io <guycwilber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Gary Patrik wrote:

 

Can anyone tell me steam era approximate average standard 40' stock

car loadings (animals per car)  for: single deck - cattle; double deck - sheep or hogs?

 

From the archives:

 

The following covers both 36' and 40' cars. The runs represent; the number
of head/ average weight of animals.

CATTLE:

36' CAR; 60/300, 50/400, 42/500, 36/600, 33/700, 30/800, 27/900, 25/1000,
23/100, 22/1200, 21/1300, 19/1400

40' CAR; 67/300, 56/400, 46/500, 40/600, 37/700, 33/800, 30/900, 27/1000,
25/1100, 23/1200, 22/1300, 21/1400

HOGS:

36' CAR; 130/100, 115/125, 100/150, 89/175, 79/200, 73/225, 68/250, 62/275,
60/300, 57/325, 54/350, 48/400

40' CAR; 145/100, 127/125, 110/150, 98/175, 88/200, 81/225, 76/250, 69/275,
66/300, 64/325, 60/350, 54/400

(For DD cars; the number loaded on upper deck should be 8 to 10 head less
than number loaded on lower deck)

SHEEP:

SD 36' CAR; 150/50, 125/75, 105/100, 95/125, 85/150, 75/180
DD 36' CAR; 300/50, 250/75, 210/100, 190/125, 170/150, 150/180

SD 40' CAR; 165/50, 138/75, 116/100, 105/125, 94/150, 82/180
DD 40' CAR; 330/50, 276/75. 236/100, 210/125, 188/150, 164/180

(For DD cars; the number loaded on upper deck should be 8 to 10 head less
than number loaded on lower deck)

Guy Wilber

Reno, Nevada 


 

--

Best regards,
Gary Patrik


Re: A few reefers unloading produce in Chicago

A Clemens
 

OMG!
The truck's side, NOT the door!

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On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 6:33 PM A Clemens via groups.io <aclmns42=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think the door reads 139 PAVONIA AVE  JERSEY CITY, N.J.

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On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 4:44 PM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:
Google shows an 'Armstrong Trucking Co. Inc.' located in Port Huron Michigan.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 07/31/2022 5:14 PM Philip Dove <philipdove22@...> wrote:


Armstrong trucking Co. On the building, Regal flush produce in the nearest truck. What please me is to see an ART reefer running with PFE and Santa Fe. If we can nail the location it might allow me to run an Art reefer in a mixed reefer train on the Nickel Plate somewhere east of Chicago. 


Re: A few reefers unloading produce in Chicago

A Clemens
 

I think the door reads 139 PAVONIA AVE  JERSEY CITY, N.J.

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On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 4:44 PM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:
Google shows an 'Armstrong Trucking Co. Inc.' located in Port Huron Michigan.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 07/31/2022 5:14 PM Philip Dove <philipdove22@...> wrote:


Armstrong trucking Co. On the building, Regal flush produce in the nearest truck. What please me is to see an ART reefer running with PFE and Santa Fe. If we can nail the location it might allow me to run an Art reefer in a mixed reefer train on the Nickel Plate somewhere east of Chicago. 


Re: stock car capacity

Steve SANDIFER
 

Illustration No. 2
CATTLE •
AVGE. WEIGHT PER HEAD 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 1000 1100 1200 1300 1400
Size Car UV—No. Head 60 50 42 36 33 30 27 25 23 22 21 19
Size Car 40'—No. Head 56 46 40 37 33 30 27 35 23 22 21
HOGS
AVGE WEIGHT PER HEAD 100 133 150 175 200 22.5 250 275 300 325 350 400
Size Car 30'—No. Head* 130 116 100 Su 79 73 68 62 60 57 54 49
Size Car 40'—No. Head• 145 127 110 9S 88 81 76 69 66 64 60 54
*Single deck cars. ha
HORSES

AVGE. WEIGHT PER HEAD 700 800 900 1000 1100 1200 1300 1400 1500 1600 1700 1800
Size Car 361—No„ Head 29 27 25 24 23 23 21 19 13 18 17 17
Size Car 40'—No. Head 32 30 28 27 26 24 23 21 20 19 19 18
SHEEP OR LAMBS
1.6
AVGE. WEIGHT PER HEAD 50 75 100 125 150 180
Single Deck 36'—No. Head 150 125 105 95 85 75
Single Deck 40'—No. Head 165 138 116 105 94 82
Double Deck 36'--No. Head 0 4 • 300 250 210 190 170 150
Double Deck 40'—No. Head 330 276 236 210 188 164

In loading proper animals in double deck cars, the number loaded on the upper deck should be eight to ten (8 to 10) head less than on the lower deck.


J. Stephen Sandifer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Patrik
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 12:01 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity

Can anyone tell me steam era approximate average standard 40' stock car loadings (animals per car) for: single deck - cattle; double deck
- sheep or hogs?
--
Gary Patrik


Re: stock car capacity

Philip Dove
 

Airfix did a set of farm animals that were advertised as 00 HO they were good but you got pigs, sheep, cows, carthorses, hens, feed troughs...... Haven't seen this set for decades. Good models though. Preiser do beautiful models of pigs, inH0 but they are expensive. The set l treated myself to had an exquisite model of a sow suckling her piglets. Not what you need in a stockyard waiting to be loaded. 


Re: A few reefers unloading produce in Chicago

Jack Mullen
 

On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 04:50 PM, Hudson Leighton wrote:

I think the truck door says "West New Brighton".

Which Mr, Google says is Staten Island.

Aha!  Thanks, Hudson.
The bottom line of lettering resonated in my mind  as "Staten Island N.Y." solely based on overall shape, not distinguishing any actual letters, so I wasn't at all sure of that interpretation.
That would make Jersey City a plausible nearby location on the Erie, close enough for a Staten Island produce buyer.
And Jersey City would indeed belong in the "G-J" volume I cited earlier.
I think we've got it.   :^)

Jack Mullen


Re: stock car capacity

Todd Sullivan
 

philip,

Con Cor's recent PCC car has some interesting mirror effects, similar to what you describe.  If you can find that model to examine first hand, let me know, and I'll send you some photos of mine.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Preserved cars in northwestern PA

Steve SANDIFER
 

That’s Harlansburg. 2 Hwt PRR Pullmans and 2 Lwt PRR coaches based on what I see on Google Earth.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Boss
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2022 8:14 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Preserved cars in northwestern PA

 

Harlinburg Pa has a small collection of PRR passenger cars, it used to also be a museum as well. It is at Pa RT19& PA RT108. PA RT108 exits right off I 79
DAVE

On Saturday, July 30, 2022, Robert G P <bobgp5109@...> wrote:
> Thank you guys a lot! Very handy information!
>
> -Bob
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 3:46 PM Schleigh Mike via groups.io <mike_schleigh=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bob!
>> Titusville (Oil Creek & Titusville) has a three-compartment Standard Tank Car Shell Tanker we have mentioned in the past.  Lake Shore Railway at North East (just east of Erie on US 20) has an AC&F built X-3 as well as a number of freight and passenger cars.  Not to mention quite a collection of GE locos and a nifty fireless Heisler.  Lots of freight trains on the old NYC and NKP main lines right at the station museum.
>> Regards from Grove City (right along your route) in Penna----Mike Schleigh
>> On Saturday, July 30, 2022, 11:44:45 AM EDT, Robert G P <bobgp5109@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I will be in Pittsburgh and Northwestern PA and the most eastern point of OH this weekend and am curious if there are any accessible preserved/stored/derelict transition era cars of any type known to be in the region along (and not far from) the I-79 corridor north of Pittsburgh? Or in the vicinity of Pittsburgh? Even as far East as Erie?
>> Will also be watching trains in Pitts as well. 
>> Thanks a lot! 
>> -Bob
>


Re: stock car capacity

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Steve. They had two packs left, and I ordered both, but fifty cents a hog is too costly to fill pens in seven towns. I’m still looking for cheaper hogs in bulk.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 7:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity

 

20 for $10 unpainted. I bet they are 3-d printed and if you contact the seller can get a bigger break on more.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354006435047?hash=item526c6d84e7:g:GaQAAOSwtQliEcRh

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Hendrick
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 6:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity

 

Try searching HO HOGS in addition to PIGS on sources such as Walthers.com and eBay. 

 

Lifelike sells a pre painted set of six HO hogs. But there are also sets of 10 to 20 pigs/hogs in unpainted resin which are cheaper and should be easy to paint in mass. Also, years ago Airfix (I think) sold sets of unpainted hogs/pigs in a rubbery plastic that might be found. No doubt other offerings can be found with a bit on online searching. Happy hunting. 

 

Bruce Hendrick

On Sunday, July 31, 2022, 4:36 PM, Drew Bunn <drew.r.bunn@...> wrote:

>I’m in dire need of market ready plastic pigs for my stock pens, and I haven’t found a source. Any suggestions on where I can find them?
>
>Nelson Moyer
>

Shapeways? Thingiverse? Miniprints?
__________________________________
Drew Bunn

drew.r.bunn@...

Cell - (905) 483-0758

On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 7:33 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
>
> I’m in dire need of market ready plastic pigs for my stock pens, and I haven’t found a source. Any suggestions on where I can find them?
>
>
>
> Nelson Moyer
>
>
>
> From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Philip Dove
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 6:01 PM
> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity
>
>
>
> I got about 30 plastic pigs into my 40 foot single deck stock car. The change in weight was noticeable. I resorted to cutting and pasting pictures of animals then putting them together as a scale 40 foot long herd, printing the same in mirror image and mounting these on a piece of transparent plastic down the middle of the car, in HO scale. It looks good. I also unravelled some straw coloured sewing thread and put a few fibrestraped in the door and an odd bit poking through the slats.
>
> I have wondered about mounting only one line of critters on transparent plastic then putting a plastic mirror on the other side so the car might appear empty or full, but this is a theory.
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: stock car capacity

Nelson Moyer
 

I did, and the first hit was the Harley-Davidson web site. The currently available hogs aren’t market ready size, standing, or sold in bulk. I was hoping somebody had a bag of hogs meeting my needs for sale.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Hendrick
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 6:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity

 

Try searching HO HOGS in addition to PIGS on sources such as Walthers.com and eBay. 

 

Lifelike sells a pre painted set of six HO hogs. But there are also sets of 10 to 20 pigs/hogs in unpainted resin which are cheaper and should be easy to paint in mass. Also, years ago Airfix (I think) sold sets of unpainted hogs/pigs in a rubbery plastic that might be found. No doubt other offerings can be found with a bit on online searching. Happy hunting. 

 

Bruce Hendrick

On Sunday, July 31, 2022, 4:36 PM, Drew Bunn <drew.r.bunn@...> wrote:

>I’m in dire need of market ready plastic pigs for my stock pens, and I haven’t found a source. Any suggestions on where I can find them?
>
>Nelson Moyer
>

Shapeways? Thingiverse? Miniprints?
__________________________________
Drew Bunn

drew.r.bunn@...

Cell - (905) 483-0758

On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 7:33 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
>
> I’m in dire need of market ready plastic pigs for my stock pens, and I haven’t found a source. Any suggestions on where I can find them?
>
>
>
> Nelson Moyer
>
>
>
> From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Philip Dove
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 6:01 PM
> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity
>
>
>
> I got about 30 plastic pigs into my 40 foot single deck stock car. The change in weight was noticeable. I resorted to cutting and pasting pictures of animals then putting them together as a scale 40 foot long herd, printing the same in mirror image and mounting these on a piece of transparent plastic down the middle of the car, in HO scale. It looks good. I also unravelled some straw coloured sewing thread and put a few fibrestraped in the door and an odd bit poking through the slats.
>
> I have wondered about mounting only one line of critters on transparent plastic then putting a plastic mirror on the other side so the car might appear empty or full, but this is a theory.
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: stock car capacity

Steve SANDIFER
 

20 for $10 unpainted. I bet they are 3-d printed and if you contact the seller can get a bigger break on more.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354006435047?hash=item526c6d84e7:g:GaQAAOSwtQliEcRh

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Hendrick
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 6:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity

 

Try searching HO HOGS in addition to PIGS on sources such as Walthers.com and eBay. 

 

Lifelike sells a pre painted set of six HO hogs. But there are also sets of 10 to 20 pigs/hogs in unpainted resin which are cheaper and should be easy to paint in mass. Also, years ago Airfix (I think) sold sets of unpainted hogs/pigs in a rubbery plastic that might be found. No doubt other offerings can be found with a bit on online searching. Happy hunting. 

 

Bruce Hendrick

Brea, California 


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On Sunday, July 31, 2022, 4:36 PM, Drew Bunn <drew.r.bunn@...> wrote:

>I’m in dire need of market ready plastic pigs for my stock pens, and I haven’t found a source. Any suggestions on where I can find them?
>
>Nelson Moyer
>

Shapeways? Thingiverse? Miniprints?
__________________________________
Drew Bunn

drew.r.bunn@...

Cell - (905) 483-0758

On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 7:33 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
>
> I’m in dire need of market ready plastic pigs for my stock pens, and I haven’t found a source. Any suggestions on where I can find them?
>
>
>
> Nelson Moyer
>
>
>
> From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Philip Dove
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 6:01 PM
> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity
>
>
>
> I got about 30 plastic pigs into my 40 foot single deck stock car. The change in weight was noticeable. I resorted to cutting and pasting pictures of animals then putting them together as a scale 40 foot long herd, printing the same in mirror image and mounting these on a piece of transparent plastic down the middle of the car, in HO scale. It looks good. I also unravelled some straw coloured sewing thread and put a few fibrestraped in the door and an odd bit poking through the slats.
>
> I have wondered about mounting only one line of critters on transparent plastic then putting a plastic mirror on the other side so the car might appear empty or full, but this is a theory.
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: A few reefers unloading produce in Chicago

Guy Wilber
 

 Hudson wrote:

"I don't recognize anything that makes it Minneapolis / St. Paul."

Thanks, Hudson!

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

_._,_._,_


Re: stock car capacity

Bruce Hendrick
 

Try searching HO HOGS in addition to PIGS on sources such as Walthers.com and eBay. 

Lifelike sells a pre painted set of six HO hogs. But there are also sets of 10 to 20 pigs/hogs in unpainted resin which are cheaper and should be easy to paint in mass. Also, years ago Airfix (I think) sold sets of unpainted hogs/pigs in a rubbery plastic that might be found. No doubt other offerings can be found with a bit on online searching. Happy hunting. 

Bruce Hendrick

On Sunday, July 31, 2022, 4:36 PM, Drew Bunn <drew.r.bunn@...> wrote:

>I’m in dire need of market ready plastic pigs for my stock pens, and I haven’t found a source. Any suggestions on where I can find them?
>
>Nelson Moyer
>

Shapeways? Thingiverse? Miniprints?
__________________________________
Drew Bunn

drew.r.bunn@...

Cell - (905) 483-0758

On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 7:33 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
>
> I’m in dire need of market ready plastic pigs for my stock pens, and I haven’t found a source. Any suggestions on where I can find them?
>
>
>
> Nelson Moyer
>
>
>
> From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Philip Dove
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 6:01 PM
> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity
>
>
>
> I got about 30 plastic pigs into my 40 foot single deck stock car. The change in weight was noticeable. I resorted to cutting and pasting pictures of animals then putting them together as a scale 40 foot long herd, printing the same in mirror image and mounting these on a piece of transparent plastic down the middle of the car, in HO scale. It looks good. I also unravelled some straw coloured sewing thread and put a few fibrestraped in the door and an odd bit poking through the slats.
>
> I have wondered about mounting only one line of critters on transparent plastic then putting a plastic mirror on the other side so the car might appear empty or full, but this is a theory.
>
>
>
>
>
>






Re: A few reefers unloading produce in Chicago

Hudson Leighton
 

I think the truck door says "West New Brighton".

Which Mr, Google says is Staten Island.

-Hudson


Re: A few reefers unloading produce in Chicago

Hudson Leighton
 

I don't recognize anything that makes it Minneapolis / St. Paul.

That diagonal conveyor has to be the key to the location.

-Hudson


Re: A few reefers unloading produce in Chicago

Scott H. Haycock
 

Google shows an 'Armstrong Trucking Co. Inc.' located in Port Huron Michigan.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 07/31/2022 5:14 PM Philip Dove <philipdove22@...> wrote:


Armstrong trucking Co. On the building, Regal flush produce in the nearest truck. What please me is to see an ART reefer running with PFE and Santa Fe. If we can nail the location it might allow me to run an Art reefer in a mixed reefer train on the Nickel Plate somewhere east of Chicago. 


Re: A few reefers unloading produce in Chicago

Guy Wilber
 

Dennis wrote:

“None of the lettering on the trucks is readable, or that would nail the city, at least.”

Is it possible that the fully loaded truck has - - - - New Brighton painted on the door?  Wild ass guess, but that might place the location as St. Paul/Minneapolis(?)

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: stock car capacity

Drew Bunn
 

I’m in dire need of market ready plastic pigs for my stock pens, and I haven’t found a source. Any suggestions on where I can find them?

Nelson Moyer
Shapeways? Thingiverse? Miniprints?
__________________________________
Drew Bunn

drew.r.bunn@...

Cell - (905) 483-0758

On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 7:33 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I’m in dire need of market ready plastic pigs for my stock pens, and I haven’t found a source. Any suggestions on where I can find them?



Nelson Moyer



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Philip Dove
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 6:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity



I got about 30 plastic pigs into my 40 foot single deck stock car. The change in weight was noticeable. I resorted to cutting and pasting pictures of animals then putting them together as a scale 40 foot long herd, printing the same in mirror image and mounting these on a piece of transparent plastic down the middle of the car, in HO scale. It looks good. I also unravelled some straw coloured sewing thread and put a few fibrestraped in the door and an odd bit poking through the slats.

I have wondered about mounting only one line of critters on transparent plastic then putting a plastic mirror on the other side so the car might appear empty or full, but this is a theory.





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