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Bowser HO 50' boxcar prototype?

David
 

It doesn't have one; it's their PRR X32 modified with a rectangular-panel roof.

David Thompson


Re: Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Excellent offerings.  You can’t please all the people all the time, but this line pleases me.  Backdating the Barrett will be fun and will have a so much better result than a Sunshine kit (unless you’re named Nelson and I am not anywhere close to that skill level).

So tanks a lot!  I model North Carolina Piedmont in the Depression and good roads are needed! 
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Re: Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Nelson Moyer
 

Would these car have been converted to AB brakes at some point in the 1950s? I would buy one with AB brakes.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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David,
 Just a comment on the offerings. Excellent Models BTW, but only Three of the Eight schemes offered can be used correctly for Steam Era, Two of the three (Imperial and Union Oil) are pretty much West Coast based. The only car that could be used on most on Eastern and Mid-West Steam Era Layout's is your BMX “Barrett Tarvia” 1938+ 

 Still great work as usual from Tangent.

 Eric Thur

 


Re: Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Eric Thur
 

David,
 Just a comment on the offerings. Excellent Models BTW, but only Three of the Eight schemes offered can be used correctly for Steam Era, Two of the three (Imperial and Union Oil) are pretty much West Coast based. The only car that could be used on most on Eastern and Mid-West Steam Era Layout's is your BMX “Barrett Tarvia” 1938+ 

 Still great work as usual from Tangent.

 Eric Thur



GATX Lettering Question

Eric Thur
 

Does anyone know what year GATX Tank cars had the lines over and under the GATX Reporting Marks added or removed?

Thank You

Eric Thur


Tangent December: GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Tangent Scale Models
 

Tangent Scale Models is proud to introduce our next production of HO scale General American 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Cars.  As a reminder, this is the first plastic radial course tank offered in HO plastic!  (Radial course means the tank’s steel panels overlap each other, looking like “stairsteps”).

 

By the end of World War I, U.S. production of oil and oil-related products was sharply increasing thanks to the combination of war-related demands as well as demands from home.  In order to move oil and new consumer products, tank car producers introduced new car designs.  In 1917 General American Tank Car introduced a new general service 10,000 gallon non-insulated tank car.  Built in East Chicago, IN, these cars were easily identifiable by their circumferential rivets that surrounded the tank body, with notably different heights between the courses.  These “radial course” tank cars utilized steel bolster plates that rise up vertically to hold the tank in place, complete with a “web” section behind to minimize steel consumption.  At a time of fairly monochromatic box cars plying the rails, most consumable products and oil shippers proudly displayed their company markings on the tanks.  This car design was no exception, with Sinclair being a dominant purchaser of tank cars of this type.  Additionally, many smaller oil shippers had fleets of these cars during the oil boom years.  Finally, as many oil businesses failed, the cars ended up back with GATC and were restenciled with new owner markings and were placed back into service for a new owner.  Between Sinclair, Sunburst Refining, and other schemes, think of this as one of the first “crude oil” tank cars of consequence.  Forget boring present day tanks.  These cars were the most prolific tank cars built during the first tank car building boom, and were found everywhere from 1917 to 1970. 

 

The Tangent Scale Models GATC 1917-Design 10,000 Gallon General Service Tank Car is a highly-detailed tank car model that includes details accurate for each paint scheme, including KC- or AB-brake variations, with or without Cardwell draft sill springs, and different hand brakes.  Other visually-distinctive details for our models include the “see through” bolster section, circumferential rivets, and differing course heights.  Our RTR models include correct “true-to-life” colors and “hyper-accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement.  Finally, our scale replicas operate as well as they look, equipped with free-rolling all-metal wheels and Kadee® scale couplers, meaning our models are truly ready to run.  

           

Our new ready to operate replicas are in stock and available for sale NOW.  That’s right, no preorders!  Click here for more!

 

These replicas will certainly be eye-catchers on your layout!  Check out the radial courses – they look like nothing else in HO!  Our December 2022 release includes the following eight RTR paint schemes:

 

- IOX "Imperial Oil Limited" 1918+ is the earliest tank car from our 2022 release, and it is a black car with white stenciling.  This car is lettered for “Imperial Oil Limited” which was initially part of Standard Oil before the break-up in 1911.  At the time of the break-up Imperial Oil was transferred to Jersey Standard Oil, which was later renamed to Exxon.  This car has lots of stenciling on it, and includes imperial gallonages on the ends of the car, but also has “United States Safety Appliances Standard” lettering.  Our IOX "Imperial Oil Limited" replicas come with era-correct K-brakes and they are available in four different road numbers.  

 

- UOCX "Union Oil of California" 1937+ represents a model from one of the more prolific buyers of GATC-built tank cars, Union Oil of California.  They had a large fleet of tank cars, many of which were adorned with large “Union Oil Company” and “Los Angeles” stenciling.  These specific prototype models show a build date of 1920 and paint dates of 1937.  The underframe has lots of stenciling as well, including “Built 10-20 by General American Tank Car Corporation Warren Ohio Shops.”  Cool stuff!  Also, these cars were roamers!  Several Union Oil of California tank car photos have been taken in Alaska on the Alaska Railroad!  Our UOCX " Union Oil of California" replicas come assembled with era-correct K-brakes and they are available with twelve different road numbers.  

 

- BMX "Barrett Tarvia" 1938+ is a tank car with beautiful “The Barrett Company” and “Tarvia – Good Roads At Low Cost” graphics on the side of the black tank body.  The tank’s other lettering shows a 1917 car build date.  The underframe also has white stenciling on black paint, including the distinctive “Shipper’s Car Line” “Milton Plant” repaired-painted block of stenciling.  Our BMX "Barrett Tarvia" 1938+ replicas come with era-correct K-brakes and they are available with your choice of six different road numbers.

 

- ARR "Alaska Railroad" 1955+ is a tank car offering that many of you have asked for over the years.  This tank car is painted in the Alaska Railroad’s silver tank paint scheme with black lettering, with paint and brake dates of 1955.  The tank’s other lettering shows a 1919 car build date.  The underframe is black with white stenciling.  These cars were in various services however the primary service for the fleet was to move oil from North Pole to Anchorage.  Our Alaska Railroad 1955+ replicas come with era-correct AB-brakes and they are available in six different road numbers.

 

- HMHX "Black Lease" 1963+ is a great 1960s-era “lease” car you can use on your layout – a black tank car with white stenciling.  It is stenciled for the “Tank Car Corporation of America” with 1963 paint and brake stencil dates.  These cars show a lease stencil for “Leased to National Molasses Company.”  Our HMHX "Black Lease" replicas come with era-correct AB-brakes and they are available in four different road numbers.  

 

- ACDX "Allied Chemical" 1964+ (Rerun) is a prototype repaint scheme that was applied in 1964 and represents an offering for the 1960s modelers out there.  The prototype photo on our website shows this car in service in 1968 on the east coast.  This scheme wears the red and white Allied Chemical logo that is nicely applied to the rounded contours of the tank.  The car stenciling includes separate stencil instances for “Chemicals” and “Plastics Division.”  As always, this scheme comes directly from a prototype car photo that matches our model.  Our Allied Chemical 1964+ cars come with era-correct AB-brakes and are available in two road numbers (rerun from 2020).

 

- D&RGW "Company Service" 1970+ is a black tank car that has been repainted by DRGW with “MW” stencils, which means a car that is dedicated for company Maintenance of Way service.  DRGW also added a yellow rectangular box that says “Freight Car Journal Oil Pueblo” which designates it exact service.  The tank car also has the addition of ACI label, something DRGW wanted to track the cars as they move around the DRGW freight network.  These cars include a 1962 paint date on the frame, which we have duplicated as a patch.  These cars are painted with black paint-out stencil  blocks for the road number and other associated paint outs, to reflect the multiple years of changes made to these cars.  Our DRGW Company Service replicas come with era-correct AB-brakes and they are available in four different road numbers.     

 

- NdeM "MOW Silver" 1974+ is a railroad-repainted MoW tank car.  The “Nacionales de Mexico” railroad repainted this tank car into a distinctive silver paint scheme with black ends.  The car has large “Exclusivo Servicio Diesel Compania” stenciling on the side, indicating usage for diesel fuel service.  Need to fuel those GP38s!  Amazingly, this car retained its K-brake system.  We offer this car in one exactly accurate road number, 51063.

 

- Undecorated RTR Black cars are ready for decaling!  This production includes RTR cars with the AB brake system. 

 

- Undecorated Unpainted Kits are available as well.  When folks claim that “no one” makes kits anymore, well, here they are.  These are ready for building or kitbashing, and painting / decaling.  Great for those who desire to build their own.  This run of kits come with parts for either an AB- or a K-brake configuration.

 

Features for these awesome replicas include:

- Circumferential riveted tank body and riveted underframe (count ‘em, there are many!)

- Radial course tank body – note the “stairstep” appearance!

- All-new underframe for the GATC 1917-design

- “See-through” cast knee above the bolsters

- Accurate dome appliances

- Dimensionally-correct hazardous placards with accurate hole detail

- Separately applied tank handrail

- Separately applied tank strap detail

- KC- or AB- brake variations depending on the prototype car

- Inclusion of Cardwell draft sill springs depending on the prototype car, otherwise “oval” frame openings where the springs were removed

- Different hand brake appliance options depending on the prototype car

- Highly correct “true to life” colors

- “Hyper-Accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement, including lettering applied to the underframe and air reservoir

- Durable wire grab irons and coupler lift bars

- Separate air hoses

- “Near-scale” draft gear box with side detail

- Kadee® “scale-head” couplers

- CNC-machined 33” wheels in high-quality Tangent Scale Models ASF cast steel truck with spring plank and with separate brake beams

- Replacement semi-scale wheels available separately from Tangent

- Multiple road numbers for each scheme - these cars often traveled in "groups" of more than one

- Recommended age 14 years and older

 

Don’t miss out on the Tangent Scale Models General American 10,000 gallon 1917-design radial course tank car!  Just like its prototype, this car will stand out on any layout situated from 1917 to approximately 1970, and they went everywhere!

 

Pricing for RTR models is $46.95.  High-resolution images showing these fine replicas are available at www.tangentscalemodels.com  and our site also includes prototype images for your reference as well.

 

That wraps up our update for today, and thank you for supporting the family-owned businesses in our industry! 

 

David Lehlbach

Tangent Scale Models


Belfast and moosehead lake switch list

ted schnepf
 

Hello,

Here is a stack of Belfast and Moosehaed Lake switchlists from 1965.  The pages are about 6x12".  They list mostly boxcars of feed from Railroads all over North America. Guessing about 50 to 70 swichlists. $15.00 for the stack.

Ted Schnepf
Elgin, Illinois
847-697-5353


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Re: Shamrock Refining

Charlie Duckworth
 

Jerry
I did a google search and see that Altas did a model of a tank car.  
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: F/S HO scale Tangent tank car

 

68226 SOLD


Re: F/S two HO scale P2K tank cars

 

both SOLD


F/S two HO scale P2K tank cars

 

F/S two P2K 10000 Gallon Type 21 Insulated Tank Cars, road numbers SDRX 26148 and SDRX 26164, like new in original boxes,  $21 each postpaid to US address, contact Hugh T Guillaume: mguill1224 at aol dot com


Bowser HO 50' boxcar prototype?

Mark Mathu
 

Has anyone identified the closest prototype for the 'generic' Bowser HO 50' boxcar?
https://www.bowser-trains.com/history/50foothistory.html
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Mark Mathu
Whitefish Bay Wis.


Re: NYMX (was not-PFE Mechanical Reefer Model Project)

B.L. Griffith
 

It’s way down in the cue, but I might just have to go down this rabbit hole.  If I’m successful and the modification to make the sides resemble the NYMX car sides come out well, I might even see about pulling RTV molds and resin casting a few.  Of course, then there is the challenge of coming up with decals for the heralds, numbers, and lettering.


F/S HO scale Tangent tank car

 
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F/S HO scale Tangent General American 1948-Design 8000 Gallon Welded Tank Car GATX Black Lease, have two -road numbers 68226 and 68234 - will sell one - original box - $45 postpaid to US address - contact Hugh T Guillaume, mguill1224@...


Re: Pagnoni Presses, was Question about 40 ft. gondolas

Richard Townsend
 

It looks terrific!


On Dec 9, 2022, at 7:18 PM, mlredden1 <mlredden1@...> wrote:


I was able to remove the smaller supports without the divots! Why didn't I use smaller supports the first time?

Mike Redden

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 1:31 PM mlredden1 via groups.io <mlredden1=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I just started another print of the press that uses smaller supports in the area that had divots. Hopefully I can remove the supports without taking divots this time.

Mike

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Shamrock Refining

Jerry Michels
 

Hi Folks, Can anyone help me find information on tank cars owned or leased by Shamrock Refining. I think their own cars had SOGX as reporting marks, but perhaps there were others that we leased. Thanks for your help.

Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum


Re: Pagnoni Presses, was Question about 40 ft. gondolas

mlredden1
 

I was able to remove the smaller supports without the divots! Why didn't I use smaller supports the first time?

Mike Redden

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 1:31 PM mlredden1 via groups.io <mlredden1=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I just started another print of the press that uses smaller supports in the area that had divots. Hopefully I can remove the supports without taking divots this time.

Mike


Engineering characteristics of boxcar SIDES

Ted Larson
 

To jump off from the prior topic;
Engineering characteristics of boxcar ends

This other prior topic may interest some
https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topic/pratt_vs_howe_boxcar_trusses/17205702


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GN in 1965


Re: Engineering characteristics of boxcar ends

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 05:17 PM, David wrote:
One place to look is in the trade journals of the time (primarily Railway Mechanical Engineer, but sometimes Railway Age or Railway Review; these are generally available online for the era of this list).
The problem is, those articles are mostly hype, because they were written by the manufacturer of the product. There were very few independent tests conducted that compared how these products actually performed.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Engineering characteristics of boxcar ends

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 04:51 PM, jace6315 wrote:
I except that Dick Dawson will weigh in on this but in short, the AAR manuals are a good place to start to read about the design requirements.
Unfortunately I don't think Dick is a member of this list. He is very knowledgeable but his interests lie during the period he worked in the industry.
I wouldn't be surprised if the reverse end designs came into vogue as a way to make it easier (cheaper) to design and install safety appliances on the ends of the cars (no offsets or brackets needed) but didn't perform as well plus they would eat up volume.
Actually the "reverse" versions of most ends were the first to be offered... Both the Murphy corrugated end and the Dreadnaught were first offered with the ribs facing inward, I suppose because it looked like that would be better able to resist shifting loads. Problem is, that left the end lining poorly supported. The manufacturers eventually realized that with the ribs faced outward the nailing strips could placed in the ribs and the bulk of the lining was against the flat sheet of the end.

Dennis Storzek