Re: Hog Fuel
On Aug 9, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Dan Mitchell wrote:One term in use in Central and Northern California redwood forests seems to have been "shingle bolts", at least in Santa Cruz County. Rick Hamman's _California Central Coast Railroads_ uses it, as did an article on the Molino Timber Company (30" gauge ridge-runner uphill from Aptos, CA) in, I think, "Western Railroader"."Hog fuel” however is a bit more than the modern term “wood chips” would imply. The term can include large chunks, up to what we now call cordwood. The larger pieces were commonly used to fuel donkey-engine winches and such in the woods. Cars dedicated to such large-chunk service were also sometimes called “block cars”, a term which can have different meanings in other contexts.Can't speak for other railroads, but on the SP and NWP, a "block car" was for shipping the blocks that were later split into shingles or shakes. -- Nolan Hinshaw, San Francisco Old Age is not for Sissies: the mental index is sub-optimally organized |
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Re: Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper
Nelson Moyer
Did you download the three PDFs from the YMW web site? Two are usage guides for PRR and USRA cars, and the other is abending guide with dimensional drawings that you may be able to match to your car.
Nelson Moyer
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On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:57 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper
Folks,
I'm nearing completion on an F&C C&O triple bay panel side 70 ton hopper. The prototype had Carmer uncoupling levers and these are provided in the kit as somewhat heavy and plain resin castings. However, having recently come to a higher plane of consciousness regarding the diversity of Carmer levers (curse you, Pierre Oliver!) I wonder what specific levers this car had. I can fudge it, but I'd like to know, and the photos with the kit are not sufficient to identify the operating and lifting levers on this car.
Regards, Bruce
Bruce Smith Auburn Al |
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Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper
Folks,
I'm nearing completion on an F&C C&O triple bay panel side 70 ton hopper. The prototype had Carmer uncoupling levers and these are provided in the kit as somewhat heavy and plain resin castings. However, having recently come to a higher plane of consciousness
regarding the diversity of Carmer levers (curse you, Pierre Oliver!) I wonder what specific levers this car had. I can fudge it, but I'd like to know, and the photos with the kit are not sufficient to identify the operating and lifting levers on this car.
Regards, Bruce
Bruce Smith Auburn Al |
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR freight car books
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Glad you are enjoying them, Richard!
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 3:32 PM To: realstmfc@groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR freight car books I just bought the PRRT&HS books on flat cars and gondolas by Eldon Gatwood and Al Buchan. They are excellent books, and very reasonably priced. I heartily recommend them. And I really want to say that the service was outstanding. I had them within just a few days of ordering. That's wonderful customer service. Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR |
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Re: SEEKING HELP ON WABASH OB AUTO CARS
WILLIAM PARDIE
HI Johannes:
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Please contact me off list for a long story. Your e-mail seems to hae gone moissing frpom my computor. BillPardie On Aug 9, 2018, at 12:05 PM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote: |
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Re: Hog Fuel
David Soderblom
“Block car” was, for example, the term used by West Side Lumber for their modified flats that carried sawmill chunk she back into the woods as fuel for donkey engines and such.
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Re: Hog Fuel
We’re getting off topic, but it can also be a small flatcar with a huge tackle-block mounted on it, and used as the drop-car on a logging railroad’s incline. Loaded log-cars were coupled to it, and sent down the incline.
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Re: SEEKING HELP ON WABASH OB AUTO CARS
vapeurchapelon
Did this posting ever get a reply? At least I didn't see any.
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Unfortunately I can't help with Bills original questions, but please allow another one on these cars: -the OMI model only has 8 roof walk supports - the 6 center supports are only on every second roof rib. Is THAT accurate? Many thanks Johannes Gesendet: Montag, 18. Juni 2018 um 00:02 Uhr |
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Re: Hog Fuel
Tony Thompson
Dan Mitchell wrote:
Can't speak for other railroads, but on the SP and NWP, a "block car" was for shipping the blocks that were later split into shingles or shakes. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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PRR freight car books
Richard Townsend
I just bought the PRRT&HS books on flat cars and gondolas by Eldon Gatwood and Al Buchan. They are excellent books, and very reasonably priced. I heartily recommend them.
And I really want to say that the service was outstanding. I had them within just a few days of ordering. That's wonderful customer service.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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Re: AB Triple Valve Drawings
Tim Meyer
Thanks Brian. I found a great drawing of the air reservoir. But I am still looking for a better drawing of the AB valve.
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Re: Hog Fuel
Agreed, and the discussions on duck/duct tape is off topic.
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"Hog fuel” however is a bit more than the modern term “wood chips” would imply. The term can include large chunks, up to what we now call cordwood. The larger pieces were commonly used to fuel donkey-engine winches and such in the woods. Cars dedicated to such large-chunk service were also sometimes called “block cars”, a term which can have different meanings in other contexts. Dan Mitchell ==========
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Re: Hog Fuel
Tony Thompson
What does this have to do w/freight cars, supposedly the subject of this group?! The subject relates to the term used for wood chips in our era. The digression into duct tape is just one of those happy little excursions we take from time to time. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Re: Hog Fuel
Bill Welch
What does this have to do w/freight cars, supposedly the subject of this group?!
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Re: Hog Fuel
James L. Jeffery
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Re: AB Triple Valve Drawings
brianleppert@att.net
Have you looked in our Files section for the AB Brake pages?
Brian Leppert Carson City, NV |
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AB Triple Valve Drawings
Tim Meyer
Hi All
I am looking for a dimensional drawing of an AB triple valve along with other parts of the brake system . Thanks Tim Meyer floridatenwheeler at verizon dot net |
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New Photos Added
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Friends,
I have just added four new photos to our albums section for your pleasure and approval. MEC 4952, a 10' IH boxcar, is found in my "Album 3, New Hampshire" on page 8. B&O 914255, a scale test car, has been added to my "Album #6, Freight Cars" on page 9. GATX tanks 37070 and 68258 are in my "Album #5, Tank Cars" found on page 9. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🏴 |
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Re: Hog Fuel
Jeff
I dunno - we called it 100 mile an hour tape in the Army. Supposedly for the speed of the rotor blades on helicopters that it was used to plug bullet holes with in Vietnam. On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 11:19 AM Peter Ness <prness@...> wrote:
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