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Re: New Model: Tangent GATC 1917-Design 10,000 Gallon Radial Course Tank Car

Barry Bennett
 

David,

Why do you not include AB brake components with the Undecorated tank car kits, as you have parts available for the built up models.

Barry Bennett

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 4:34 AM, tangentscalemodels@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Live from Springfield MA at the Railway Hobby Show:

 

Tangent Scale Models is proud to introduce our next ALL-NEW freight car replica, the General American 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car.  This is an ALL-NEW model that has never been offered before in HO scale plastic!  (Radial course means the tank’s steel panels overlap each other, looking like “stairsteps”).  This is our THIRD all-new 1917-Design radial course tank car design released – the previous two were 8,000 gallon designs, while this one is 10,000 gallons!

 

By the end of World War I, U.S. production of oil and oil-related products was sharply increasing thanks to the combination of war-related demands as well as demands from home.  In order to move oil and new consumer products, tank car producers introduced new car designs.  In 1917 General American Tank Car introduced a new general service 10,000 gallon non-insulated tank car.  Built in East Chicago, IN, these cars were easily identifiable by their circumferential rivets that surrounded the tank body, with notably different heights between the courses.  These “radial course” tank cars utilized steel bolster plates that rise up vertically to hold the tank in place, complete with a “web” section behind to minimize steel consumption.  At a time of fairly monochromatic box cars plying the rails, most consumable products and oil shippers proudly displayed their company markings on the tanks.  This car design was no exception, with Sinclair being a dominant purchaser of tank cars of this type.  Additionally, many smaller oil shippers had fleets of these cars during the oil boom years.  Finally, as many oil businesses failed, the cars ended up back with GATC and were restenciled with new owner markings and were placed back into service for a new owner.  Between Sinclair, Humble Oil, Hercules Powder Company, and other schemes to come in future releases, think of this as one of the first “crude oil” tank cars of consequence.  Forget boring present day tanks.  These cars were the most prolific tank cars built during the first tank car building boom, and were found everywhere from 1917 to 1970. 

 

The Tangent Scale Models GATC 1917-Design 10,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car starts exactly where our “state of the art” 8,000 gallon tank car left off, which we released in 2016.  Our highly-detailed tank car model includes details accurate for each paint scheme, including KC- or AB-brake variations, with or without Cardwell draft sill springs, and different hand brakes.  Other visually-distinctive details for our models include the “see through” bolster section, circumferential rivets, and differing course heights.  Our RTR models include correct “true-to-life” colors and “hyper-accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement.  Finally, our scale replicas operate as well as they look, equipped with free-rolling all-metal wheels and Kadee® scale couplers, meaning our models are truly ready to run.  

                                                                                   

Our new ready to operate replicas are available for sale now at www.tangentscalemodels.com and we are selling these cars at the Amherst Railway Society show in Springfield MA on January 27-28, 2018!

 

These replicas will certainly be eye-catchers on your layout!  Check out the radial courses – they look like nothing else in HO!  Our first stunning release includes the following three paint schemes:

 

- HOX "Humble Petroleum Products" 1935+ has a silver-painted carbody with “Humble Petroleum Products” stenciling within red logos on the side of the car.  The remaining tank stenciling is black, while the frame stenciling is correctly rendered in white.  As always, this scheme comes directly from a prototype car that matches our model, which is displayed on our website.  Humble operated gas stations under the Humble name brand, as well as Esso, Enco, and Carter.  Humble was acquired by Standard Oil of New Jersey in 1959, but this car represents the period prior to that event.  These cars were used to ship refined oil products for Humble, which operated gas stations located across most of the United States, with emphasis away from both coasts, making them broadly applicable to many railroads in North America.  Our Humble Petroleum 1935+ replicas come with era-correct K-brakes and they are available in four different road numbers.

 

- SRDX "Sinclair" 1947+ with beautiful “SINCLAIR” graphics on the side of the black carbody, with the small “REF’D OIL” stenciling to indicate the commodity hauled in these tank cars.  Sinclair tank cars were nationwide roamers for sure, and our model has the accurate silver color stenciling for Sinclair’s GATC fleet of 1917-Design tank cars.  Based upon the small brake stencil and tank psi test lettering, this car is accurately stenciled for service in 1947 and onward.  The car’s other lettering shows a 1920 car build date.  The expansion dome has the typical Sinclair silver “dot” stencil on it.  These cars are complete with an era-appropriate AB-brake system, matching the photo on the Tangent site, which displays a well-worn car in 1957.  These stunning cars are available in six road numbers.  And don’t forget, Sinclair had the largest shipper-owned tank car fleet in North America in 1950, with virtually all of them having large billboard lettering, so don’t miss out!

 

- UTLX "Hercules Powder" 1949+ has a black-painted carbody with typical UTLX graphics from the post-war period.  This car is leased to Hercules for shipping of various chemicals.  While Hercules originally produced munitions powders, aka “gunpowder,” it eventually provided many chemicals from plants all over the USA, including but not limited to acetone, cotton cellulose, rosins (for paper stiffening), gums, and turpentine.  Our HO replica includes accurate yellow stenciling for “Hercules Power Company, Wilmington Delaware” on the side of the car.  This model is complete with the classic image of Roman god Hercules on the side.  Check out the detail on our Hercules stenciling!  Our Hercules Powder cars come with an era-correct AB-brake system, and these stunners are available in four road numbers.

 

- Undecorated RTR Black cars are fully assembled and painted black and are ready for decaling! 

 

- Undecorated Unpainted Kits are available as well.  When you gripe that “no one” makes kits anymore, well, here they are.  These are ready for building or kitbashing, and paint and decals.  These models have a K-brake system.  These are great for those who desire to build their own.  Don’t miss out on these!

 

Features for these awesome replicas include:

- Circumferential riveted tank body and riveted underframe (count ‘em, there are many!)

- Radial course tank body – note the “stairstep” appearance!

- All-new underframe for the GATC 1917-design

- “See-through” cast knee above the bolsters

- Accurate dome appliances

- Dimensionally-correct hazardous placards with accurate hole detail

- Separately applied tank handrail

- Separately applied tank strap detail

- KC- or AB- brake variations depending on the prototype car

- Inclusion of Cardwell draft sill springs depending on the prototype car, otherwise “oval” frame openings where the springs were removed

- Different hand brake appliance options depending on the prototype car

- Highly correct “true to life” colors

- “Hyper-Accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement, including lettering applied to the underframe and air reservoir

- Durable wire grab irons and coupler lift bars

- Separate air hoses

- “Near-scale” draft gear box with side detail

- Kadee® “scale-head” couplers

- CNC-machined 33” wheels in high-quality Tangent Scale Models ASF cast steel truck with spring plank and with separate brake beams

- Replacement semi-scale wheels available separately from Tangent

- Multiple road numbers for each scheme - these cars often traveled in "groups" of more than one

- Recommended age 14 years and older

 

Don’t miss out on the Tangent Scale Models General American 10,000 gallon 1917-design radial course tank car!  Just like its prototype, this car will stand out on any layout situated from 1917 to 1970, and they went everywhere!

 

Pricing for RTR models is $44.95.  High-resolution images showing these fine replicas are available at www.tangentscalemodels.com  and our site also includes prototype images for your reference as well.

 

That wraps up our update for today, and thank you for supporting the family-owned businesses in our industry! 

 

David Lehlbach

Tangent Scale Models - “Unparalleled scale replicas for discriminating railroad modelers”

www.tangentscalemodels.com



Automobiles in gondolas

Earl Tuson
 

Two weeks ago, Bob Chaparro shared a series of the Steamtown negatives (X3009-X3014) depicting automobiles being
unloaded from flat cars. Here's a image from the Leslie Jones Collection at the Boston Public Library showing 4 gondolas
loaded with tarped autos circa 1918-20:

https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:8c97nf52n

The first car is a B&M 81000 series car still wearing it's original, albeit much deteriorated, paint and lettering. Those cars
had fixed ends with drop bottoms (GS gons,) but with the way those cars are stacked, it's not like anyone is driving them off
anyhow.

Earl Tuson


Re: FEC 17001 ventilated cars

Robert kirkham
 

Awesome – will have to dig through my collection.  Thanks Eric

 

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Rob,

 

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 16 has a few good images of these prototypes on page 24 & 25. Drawings are on pages 8 & 9.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


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LOL – well, because I am building to O scale. 

 

Rob

 

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If you are in 1/87 scale why not use the Westerfield ends for this car?

 

Bill Welch

 

 

 

 





Re: FEC 17001 ventilated cars

Robert kirkham
 

I’ll look for a copy of that issue Bill – thanks!

 

Rob

 

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Rob,

 

I had the same problem . . . Model Railroader of December, 1975, page 59.  I checked the internet for a used magazine vendor to obtain my copy.  Expensive but worth it for the wealth of data.  (Bill Welch may be able to provide photos of his model.)

 

Regards

 

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:37 PM

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Subject: [STMFC] FEC 17001 ventilated cars

 

I’m working on a model of the car end for these cars for another modeller, but so far am working from a poor ¾ view photo and the basic dimensions of murphy ends.  It would be useful to obtain dimensions for the height and width of the car bodies.  As a CPR modeller, I don’t have that sort of information in my resources..  If there are drawings or dimensions available, I’d sure appreciate it.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Rob Kirkham

 





New Model: Tangent GATC 1917-Design 10,000 Gallon Radial Course Tank Car

Tangent Scale Models
 

Live from Springfield MA at the Railway Hobby Show:

 

Tangent Scale Models is proud to introduce our next ALL-NEW freight car replica, the General American 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car.  This is an ALL-NEW model that has never been offered before in HO scale plastic!  (Radial course means the tank’s steel panels overlap each other, looking like “stairsteps”).  This is our THIRD all-new 1917-Design radial course tank car design released – the previous two were 8,000 gallon designs, while this one is 10,000 gallons!

 

By the end of World War I, U.S. production of oil and oil-related products was sharply increasing thanks to the combination of war-related demands as well as demands from home.  In order to move oil and new consumer products, tank car producers introduced new car designs.  In 1917 General American Tank Car introduced a new general service 10,000 gallon non-insulated tank car.  Built in East Chicago, IN, these cars were easily identifiable by their circumferential rivets that surrounded the tank body, with notably different heights between the courses.  These “radial course” tank cars utilized steel bolster plates that rise up vertically to hold the tank in place, complete with a “web” section behind to minimize steel consumption.  At a time of fairly monochromatic box cars plying the rails, most consumable products and oil shippers proudly displayed their company markings on the tanks.  This car design was no exception, with Sinclair being a dominant purchaser of tank cars of this type.  Additionally, many smaller oil shippers had fleets of these cars during the oil boom years.  Finally, as many oil businesses failed, the cars ended up back with GATC and were restenciled with new owner markings and were placed back into service for a new owner.  Between Sinclair, Humble Oil, Hercules Powder Company, and other schemes to come in future releases, think of this as one of the first “crude oil” tank cars of consequence.  Forget boring present day tanks.  These cars were the most prolific tank cars built during the first tank car building boom, and were found everywhere from 1917 to 1970. 

 

The Tangent Scale Models GATC 1917-Design 10,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car starts exactly where our “state of the art” 8,000 gallon tank car left off, which we released in 2016.  Our highly-detailed tank car model includes details accurate for each paint scheme, including KC- or AB-brake variations, with or without Cardwell draft sill springs, and different hand brakes.  Other visually-distinctive details for our models include the “see through” bolster section, circumferential rivets, and differing course heights.  Our RTR models include correct “true-to-life” colors and “hyper-accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement.  Finally, our scale replicas operate as well as they look, equipped with free-rolling all-metal wheels and Kadee® scale couplers, meaning our models are truly ready to run.  

                                                                                   

Our new ready to operate replicas are available for sale now at www.tangentscalemodels.com and we are selling these cars at the Amherst Railway Society show in Springfield MA on January 27-28, 2018!

 

These replicas will certainly be eye-catchers on your layout!  Check out the radial courses – they look like nothing else in HO!  Our first stunning release includes the following three paint schemes:

 

- HOX "Humble Petroleum Products" 1935+ has a silver-painted carbody with “Humble Petroleum Products” stenciling within red logos on the side of the car.  The remaining tank stenciling is black, while the frame stenciling is correctly rendered in white.  As always, this scheme comes directly from a prototype car that matches our model, which is displayed on our website.  Humble operated gas stations under the Humble name brand, as well as Esso, Enco, and Carter.  Humble was acquired by Standard Oil of New Jersey in 1959, but this car represents the period prior to that event.  These cars were used to ship refined oil products for Humble, which operated gas stations located across most of the United States, with emphasis away from both coasts, making them broadly applicable to many railroads in North America.  Our Humble Petroleum 1935+ replicas come with era-correct K-brakes and they are available in four different road numbers.

 

- SRDX "Sinclair" 1947+ with beautiful “SINCLAIR” graphics on the side of the black carbody, with the small “REF’D OIL” stenciling to indicate the commodity hauled in these tank cars.  Sinclair tank cars were nationwide roamers for sure, and our model has the accurate silver color stenciling for Sinclair’s GATC fleet of 1917-Design tank cars.  Based upon the small brake stencil and tank psi test lettering, this car is accurately stenciled for service in 1947 and onward.  The car’s other lettering shows a 1920 car build date.  The expansion dome has the typical Sinclair silver “dot” stencil on it.  These cars are complete with an era-appropriate AB-brake system, matching the photo on the Tangent site, which displays a well-worn car in 1957.  These stunning cars are available in six road numbers.  And don’t forget, Sinclair had the largest shipper-owned tank car fleet in North America in 1950, with virtually all of them having large billboard lettering, so don’t miss out!

 

- UTLX "Hercules Powder" 1949+ has a black-painted carbody with typical UTLX graphics from the post-war period.  This car is leased to Hercules for shipping of various chemicals.  While Hercules originally produced munitions powders, aka “gunpowder,” it eventually provided many chemicals from plants all over the USA, including but not limited to acetone, cotton cellulose, rosins (for paper stiffening), gums, and turpentine.  Our HO replica includes accurate yellow stenciling for “Hercules Power Company, Wilmington Delaware” on the side of the car.  This model is complete with the classic image of Roman god Hercules on the side.  Check out the detail on our Hercules stenciling!  Our Hercules Powder cars come with an era-correct AB-brake system, and these stunners are available in four road numbers.

 

- Undecorated RTR Black cars are fully assembled and painted black and are ready for decaling! 

 

- Undecorated Unpainted Kits are available as well.  When you gripe that “no one” makes kits anymore, well, here they are.  These are ready for building or kitbashing, and paint and decals.  These models have a K-brake system.  These are great for those who desire to build their own.  Don’t miss out on these!

 

Features for these awesome replicas include:

- Circumferential riveted tank body and riveted underframe (count ‘em, there are many!)

- Radial course tank body – note the “stairstep” appearance!

- All-new underframe for the GATC 1917-design

- “See-through” cast knee above the bolsters

- Accurate dome appliances

- Dimensionally-correct hazardous placards with accurate hole detail

- Separately applied tank handrail

- Separately applied tank strap detail

- KC- or AB- brake variations depending on the prototype car

- Inclusion of Cardwell draft sill springs depending on the prototype car, otherwise “oval” frame openings where the springs were removed

- Different hand brake appliance options depending on the prototype car

- Highly correct “true to life” colors

- “Hyper-Accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement, including lettering applied to the underframe and air reservoir

- Durable wire grab irons and coupler lift bars

- Separate air hoses

- “Near-scale” draft gear box with side detail

- Kadee® “scale-head” couplers

- CNC-machined 33” wheels in high-quality Tangent Scale Models ASF cast steel truck with spring plank and with separate brake beams

- Replacement semi-scale wheels available separately from Tangent

- Multiple road numbers for each scheme - these cars often traveled in "groups" of more than one

- Recommended age 14 years and older

 

Don’t miss out on the Tangent Scale Models General American 10,000 gallon 1917-design radial course tank car!  Just like its prototype, this car will stand out on any layout situated from 1917 to 1970, and they went everywhere!

 

Pricing for RTR models is $44.95.  High-resolution images showing these fine replicas are available at www.tangentscalemodels.com  and our site also includes prototype images for your reference as well.

 

That wraps up our update for today, and thank you for supporting the family-owned businesses in our industry! 

 

David Lehlbach

Tangent Scale Models - “Unparalleled scale replicas for discriminating railroad modelers”

www.tangentscalemodels.com


Re: Services of the Pullman Library

Alex Schneider
 

I have enjoyed use of the Newberry Library which offers service such as you describe. They also have a Special Collections reading room with large tables, great lighting, and one door next to the staff desk. A staff can retrieve books as called while still maintaining polite but vigilant watch. They also keep their materials in closed stacks just as we do. As I mentioned, we have neither the staff nor the space to provide such service.

 

Dave indicates that “I flew out to Chicago and dropped them another note asking when would be best to stop by (it was a busy weekend and so my question was intended to let them choose the best time)’

 

To me that says he was there for the weekend, and for the reasons previously mentioned there was probably NO time on the weekend that was acceptable. The library was closed. If he had gone to Newberry on Sunday or Monday he would have gotten the same result. The difference is that Newberry is open to the public so it posts its open hours. The Pullman Library is not, and thus has little need to do so.

 

Alex Schneider

 

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Fourth, all museums and libraries have to be vigilant against theft. Each has adopted policies to discourage theft, and abiding by such policies is part of the “cost of admission”. People who feel the rules don’t apply to them do arouse suspicion.

 Fifth, many of the drawings are not in good condition. Preservation of the information contained argues toward use of scans, not the original tracings, to minimize handling. It is also important to immediately return them to the correct storage location, as a misfiled drawing could be lost for decades. 

 

    Oh, c'mon, Alex. I have been to lots of archives and libraries with rare materials, and of course there is vigilance against theft, and there should be. But how about a little common sense here? One rare book library I visited allowed you to examine one book at a time. Turn it back, and you get your next request. I have worked in archives that had photo prints in folders, and you had to go through them under the eye of a librarian, and in one place, the number of prints was noted on the outside of the folder. Easy to count.

     I know Ted Anderson a little and he seems a reasonable guy. But in my view, Dave Nelson's experience is out of bounds. II would call it a black mark on the Pullman library. Just my two centavos.

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 








Ho Scale Atlas U.P. 1950's 70 ton Hart Ballast Hopper (Trucks)

Bryian Sones
 

Hi All,

I'm in the process of adding the missing bolster to 35 of the early Atlas release of this car.
Can anyone recommend a correct and good replacement truck for this project?

Thanks,

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA 


Re: Services of the Pullman Library

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Tony Thompson wrote:



"Dave Nelson's [at the Pullman Library] experience
is out of bounds."



Dave's story is embarrassing to any library,
volunteer, public or private, or at least it
should be. To essentially accuse someone who's
traveled a good distance, and made every effort
not to inconvenience the staff of the library,
that their only interest in seeing the drawings is
so they can steal them, is absurd and insulting.



I have had excellent experiences in several
archives, including the Princeton University Rare
Book Library where I reviewed the collection of
Lewis B. Stillwell's papers (Stillwell cars, for
those wondering who he was). They had not
cataloged the papers or even organized them at all
prior to my inquiry, but when I got there, they
had organized them and cleaned them up (they were
very dirty when they received them) and gave me
free rein of the entire collection, under
supervision of course.



Schuyler



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Library





Fourth, all museums and libraries have to be
vigilant against theft. Each has adopted policies
to discourage theft, and abiding by such policies
is part of the "cost of admission". People who
feel the rules don't apply to them do arouse
suspicion.

Fifth, many of the drawings are not in good
condition. Preservation of the information
contained argues toward use of scans, not the
original tracings, to minimize handling. It is
also important to immediately return them to the
correct storage location, as a misfiled drawing
could be lost for decades.



Oh, c'mon, Alex. I have been to lots of
archives and libraries with rare materials, and of
course there is vigilance against theft, and there
should be. But how about a little common sense
here? One rare book library I visited allowed you
to examine one book at a time. Turn it back, and
you get your next request. I have worked in
archives that had photo prints in folders, and you
had to go through them under the eye of a
librarian, and in one place, the number of prints
was noted on the outside of the folder. Easy to
count.

I know Ted Anderson a little and he seems a
reasonable guy. But in my view, Dave Nelson's
experience is out of bounds. II would call it a
black mark on the Pullman library. Just my two
centavos.



Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press,
Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
www.signaturepress.com
<http://www.signaturepress.com>

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
<mailto:tony@...>

Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 2018 U.S. Open College Beer Championship

Mikebrock
 

Tony Thompson comments about Bruce Smith's 2019 presentation regarding beer
and steam era frt cars. Nooo problem. The relationship is well known. Not so
well known, and I keep it hidden, is the fact that, while I generally don't
make my own beer, I did at one time hold the record for most beers drank in
45 minutes. 15 cans back in 1959 [ just got in to the time rule ]. I assume
that those were 12 oz cans back then. So, what does this have to do with
steam era frt cars? Nothing that I can see. Me? Heck, I was finally released
from the asylum yesterday apparently babbling about Rapido's excellent NP DS
box cars that I tried to sneak away [ since Bill wasn't there to hide
them.].



And now.back to frt cars please.



Mike Brock



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Bruce Smith wrote:







And of course, all of this reminds me to get to work on a presentation for
Cocoa Beach 2019 on breweries and related Steam Era Freight Car traffic.



Now that sounds like a tasty idea . . .



Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

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Re: Two Intermountain kits for sale

Clark Propst
 

Kits are sold! Thanks.
Clark Propst


Two Intermountain kits for sale

Clark Propst
 

I have two intermountain AAR 1937 Modified undec kits with 8 rung ladders and 4/4 IDEs.

$15 each plus shipping.

If interested do not reply to this email! Instead email cepropst@q.com


Thanks for your time.


ATSF books for sale

Clark Propst
 

Santa Fe in the Mountains  Raton,Cajon,Tehachapi      Kalmback/Drury  $19.00
Santa Fe in Color Series Vol. 2   Wheat Lines   McMillan Pub. /McMillan  $65.00
Santa Fe's Early Diesel "Daze" 1935-1953  Kachina Press/  McCall  $40.00
Cabins, Crummies and Hacks Vol. 4 Southwest  H&M Productions /Henderson  $27.95
BNSF 1996 Motive Power Annual  Four Ways West / Shippen     $30.00
Santa Fe 1992 Annual Hyrail Productions  EuDaly  $30.00
Santa Fe Publication; Instructions for Enginemen  governing care maintenance
                                  and operation of Steam Locomotive 
                                  copyright 1921,rev.1929, rev. 1942       $60.00
Am asking half of the published price, am open to offers.
Contact at;
Bob Gretillat
1514 8th st. S.W.
Mason City, Ia. 50401
641-423-9174
angelwings96@q.com



Re: Services of the Pullman Library

SUVCWORR@...
 

The Pennsylvania state archives has the following Pressed Steel Car records

Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  Vice President of Operation  Chief of Motive Power
Descriptive Record of Renumbered Cumberland Valley RR Freight Equipment, 1920 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/284
Lines East Age Books (MP 308), circa 1900-1917 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/313
Original Desc. Book Rec. of Western NY and PA. RWY Freight Cars, 1900-1901 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/322
Record of Freight Equipment: Terre Haute and Indianapolis RR, circa 1900-1907 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/336

The following Standard Car records

Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  Vice President of Operation  Chief of Motive Power
Classification and Ownership Books of Freight Cars (MP 13), 1929-1972 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/272
Freight Equipment Construction and Repair Record of the Terre Haute and Indianapolis Railway Company, 1890-1898MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/302
Lines West Historical Books: Freight Car Equipment, 1900-1920 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/314
Passenger Car Record Books: Lines East, circa 1895-1915 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/323
Passenger Car Record Books: Lines West, circa 1895-1915 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/324
Record of Classification of Passenger Cars [Steel Cars], undated MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/332
Record of Freight Equipment: Terre Haute and Indianapolis RR, circa 1900-1907 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/336
Record of New Equipment by Yearly Program Years, 1898-1915 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/339
Record of Rolling Stock of the Terre Haute and Peoria RR, 1890-1896 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/342
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  New York Central Railroad  Secretary
Railway Accounting Rules Publications by the Accounting Division of the AARR, 1948, 1951-1953 MG/286/ENYC/DSEC/444
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Administrative Records
Bureau of Plant Engineering Correspondence, 1925-1926 MG/393/AADM/1
Newspaper Clippings, 1902 MG/393/AADM/6
Patents, 1902-1931 MG/393/AADM/7
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Personnel Records
Index to Short Term Employee Records not held by State Archives, 1909-1914 MG/393/BPER/10
Index to Short Term Employee Records not held by State Archives, 1916-1918 MG/393/BPER/11
Official Personnel Files of Employees Laid Off, 1948-1982, bulk 1950-1982 MG/393/BPER/12
Official Personnel Files of Employees Terminated, 1948-1982, bulk: 1950-1982 MG/393/BPER/13
Index to Employee Records not held by State Archives, 1909-1937 MG/393/BPER/9
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Publicity Records
Pullman-Standard Carbuilder Magazine, 1940-1949, 1951-1952, 1954-1956, 1958-1971, 1973-1976 MG/393/CPUB/17
Pullman-Standard Management Newsletter, 1960-1962 MG/393/CPUB/18
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Technical Records  Drawings and Specifications
Center Construction and Underframe General Drawings, 1903-1928 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/27
Chinese Government Railway Specifications, Drawings, and Procedures, 1903 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/28
Middletown and Standard Steel Car Company Freight Car Export Proposal Drawings, 1908-1948 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/35
Middletown and Standard Steel Car Company Wheel Drawings, 1902-1926 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/36
Miscellaneous Car General Arrangement Drawings, 1903-1957 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/41
Tank Car General Drawings, 1903-1929 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/45
Tracings, 1903-1953 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/46
 Results Found Within Box List
United States Railway Administration Freight Car Standard Design Drawings, 1919-1921 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/51
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Technical Records  Industry Trade Association Standards
Drawings of the Standards and Recommended Practices of the Master Car Builders Association, 1918 MG/393/DTEC/BITA/52
Manual of Standard and Recommended Practice of the Association of American Railroads, 1942-1946 MG/393/DTEC/BITA/54
Supplement to the Manual of the American Railway Association, 1930 MG/393/DTEC/BITA/56
Supplement to the Manual of the Association of American Railroads, 1939, 1941, 1946, 1947 MG/393/DTEC/BITA/57
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Technical Records  Order Tracking Registers, Indexes, Parts Specifications
Index Sheets for Cars Built by the Middletown and Pullman-Standard Car Export Company, 1904-1938, bulk: 1915-1930MG/393/DTEC/CORD/59
Manuscript Groups  Robert P. Casey Collection, 1940-2000
Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Files, 1992-1996 MG/406/1
 Results Found Within Box List
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Baldwin-Hamilton Company Records, ca. 1834-1962  Engineering Department
Card Record Books, 1910-1912, 1914-1941 MG/427/AENG/11
Alphabetical Parts Card File Relating to United States Government Standard Sheets (U.S.R.A.), undated MG/427/AENG/5
Sales Order Books, 1942-1950 MG/427/AENG/51
Record Groups  Office of the Governor  Governor Robert P. Casey, 1987-1995
Health Care Reform File, 1992-1994 RG/010/AGBB/141
 Results Found Within Box List
Record Groups  Office of the Governor  Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency
Minutes of the Juvenile Court Judges' Commission, 1982-2003 RG/010/PCCD/120
Record Groups  Department of Health  Bureau of Quality Assurance
Long Term Care Facilities History File, 1975, 1978-1981 RG/011/TBQA/32
Record Groups  Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission  Individual Historic Properties (1930-present)  Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania
Administrative Files of the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, 1963-2009 RG/013/QIHP/VRRM/328
Record Groups  Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission  Department of Public Instruction (1905-1945)  Pennsylvania State Library and Museums (1905-1945)
Minutes of the Advisory Commission, 1903, 1909-1912, 1918 RG/013/RDPI/BPLM/80
Record Groups  Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission  Department of Public Instruction (1905-1945)  General Library
General Correspondence of the Custodian, 1904-1910 RG/013/RDPI/CGNL/78
Record Groups  Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission  Pennsylvania Historical Commission (1913-1945)  General
Administrative and Correspondence Files of the State Historian and Staff Historians, 1937-1945 RG/013/SPHC/AGEN/98
Record Groups  Department of Justice  Western State Penitentiary  Prison Population Records
Prison Population Records: Inmate Cards of Escaped Convicts from Other State Prisons, circa 1911-1957 RG/015/MM/B/145
Record Groups  Department of Labor and Industry  Office of Employment Security
Manual of Operation and Procedure, circa 1940s-2001 RG/016/MM/91
Record Groups  Department of Military and Veterans' Affairs  Surgeon General
Reports of Examination of Candidates for Appointment as Medical Officers, 1861-1865 RG/019/JSNG/174
Record Groups  Department of Human Services (previously Department of Public Welfare)  Office of Mental Health  Office of the Deputy Secretary for Mental Health
Report of the 1971 SCOPE V Survey of Patient Care Personnel at the Pennsylvania Institutions for the Mentally Disabled, 1971RG/023/AMEH/AABB/881
Record Groups  Department of Human Services (previously Department of Public Welfare)  Office of Mental Health  Torrance State Hospital
Out Patient Clinic Card File, 1933-1959 RG/023/AMEH/TORR/637
Record Groups  Department of Human Services (previously Department of Public Welfare)  Office of Mental Health  Woodville State Hospital
Meeting Minutes of the Executive Council, 1988-1991 RG/023/AMEH/WOOD/328
Record Groups  Department of Human Services (previously Department of Public Welfare)  Bureau of Social Services
Rape Crisis Program Files, 1990-1998 RG/023/BSSE/468
 Results Found Within Box List
The following Pullman records



Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  Comptroller  General Records
General Correspondence Files, 1924-1964 MG/286/APRR/ACOM/AGEN/10
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  President Thomson, Frank (1897-1899), Cassat, A.J. (1899-1906) and McCrea, James (1907-1913)
Subject Index to Presidential Corr. of F. Thomson and A.J. Cassat, 1893-1903 MG/286/APRR/BPRE/BTCM/42
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  President Rea, Samuel (1913-1925)
Presidential Correspondence of Samuel Rea, 1913-1925 MG/286/APRR/BPRE/CSAR/47
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  Vice President of Operation  Chief of Motive Power
Correspondence and Statements, 1915-1950 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/279
Cost of New Cars Record, circa 1890-1900 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/282
Detail of Pullman Bills for Repairs, 1938 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/286
Historical Record Forms for New Freight Cars (IT 210), 1919-1920 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/309
Pullman Files, 1930-1969 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/325
Record of Freight Equipment: Terre Haute and Indianapolis RR, circa 1900-1907 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/336
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  Vice President of Traffic  General Passenger Traffic Manager, Manager of Passenger Sales
Pullman Company Advisory Committee Records, 1962-1969 MG/286/APRR/PVPT/BGPT/406
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  Vice President of Traffic  Freight Traffic Manager
Record Books, 1887-1898, 1936, 1939-1940, 1943-1959 MG/286/APRR/PVPT/EFTM/411
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  Pennsylvania Railroad Subsidiary Lines  PullmanCompany
Equipment Register for Pullman Parlor Cars, circa 1910-1945 MG/286/KPRR/JKPC/1268
Equipment Register for Pullman Sleeping Cars, circa 1910-1948 MG/286/KPRR/JKPC/1269
Manuscript Groups  Milton J. Shapp Papers, ca. 1971-1979
General File, 1971-1979 MG/309/9
 Results Found Within Box List
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Personnel Records
Official Personnel Files of Employees Laid Off, 1948-1982, bulk 1950-1982 MG/393/BPER/12
Official Personnel Files of Employees Terminated, 1948-1982, bulk: 1950-1982 MG/393/BPER/13
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Publicity Records
Pullman-Standard Postscript Newspaper, 1943-1946, 1948-1950 MG/393/CPUB/16
Pullman-Standard Carbuilder Magazine, 1940-1949, 1951-1952, 1954-1956, 1958-1971, 1973-1976 MG/393/CPUB/17
Pullman-Standard Management Newsletter, 1960-1962 MG/393/CPUB/18
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Technical Records  Drawings and Specifications
Middletown and Standard Steel Car Company Freight Car Export Proposal Drawings, 1908-1948 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/35
Tracings, 1903-1953 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/46
 Results Found Within Box List
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Technical Records  Order Tracking Registers, Indexes, Parts Specifications
Index Sheets for Cars Built by the Middletown and Pullman-Standard Car Export Company, 1904-1938, bulk: 1915-1930MG/393/DTEC/CORD/59
Record Groups  Office of the Governor  Governor Robert P. Casey, 1987-1995
Governor's Events File, 1987-1995 RG/010/AGBB/136
 Results Found Within Box List
Commissions File, 1990-1994 RG/010/AGBB/134
 Results Found Within Box List
Record Groups  Department of Education  Commonwealth Libraries
Lantern Slide Section Glass Lantern Slides, circa 1900-1950 RG/022/CLIB/161
 Results Found Within Box List
Record Groups  Department of Commerce  Governor's Response Team
New Plant Prospect Files, 1972-1988 RG/031/O/53
Record Groups  Public Utility Commission  Bureau of Transportation
Annual Reports of Transportation Utilities for Large and Small Carriers, 1939-1969, 1972-1993 RG/037/C/5
 Results Found Within Box List
Record Groups  County Governments  Dauphin County  Prothonotary
Middletown Car and Manufacturing Company Assignee Account Record, 1874 RG/047/DAUP/PROT/83
Rich Orr


Re: Westerfield GN 9000 Series Box Car

gary laakso
 

Jim, I sent you some pictures of one of my 12 assembled GN truss rod boxcars. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Westerfield GN 9000 Series Box Car

 

 

Does anyone have under frame details for these GN cars. I am working on a kit but the instructions are so fuzzy I can't tell how the under frame ribs and brake rigging are assembled.

Thanks for any help,
Jim Jeffery

 


Re: Services of the Pullman Library

Eric Hansmann
 

No, I guess not. In my rush to search earlier I misread the text there.

 

No PSC archives in the PA state archive. Sorry about that.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


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Hi Eric,

 

I see Pullman Standard, but not Pressed Steel Car.  Am I missing something?

 

Thanks,

Steve Hile

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 10:47 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library

 

The Pennsylvania State Archives seems to have some PSC archives.

http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/mg/mg393.htm

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

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No.  We have Pullman, Standard Steel Car and Budd drawings.

The Museum of Transportation in St. Louis does have a good collection of ACF drawings and the Barriger Library at UMSL has ACF documents and photos, many of which they have shared on Flickr.

I don't know of a source for Pressed Steel Car drawings.

Steve Hile

IRM volunteer


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 10:10 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library

 

Does the Pullman Library have AC&F or Pressed Steel Car drawings?

Scott McDonald





Re: FEC 17001 ventilated cars

Jack Mullen
 

Rob,

The 1931 Cyc had a photo and drawings which include end elevation.  They were reprinted in Newton Gregg's Trainshed Cyc  No.3.

Jack Mullen


Westerfield GN 9000 Series Box Car

James L. Jeffery
 

Does anyone have under frame details for these GN cars. I am working on a kit but the instructions are so fuzzy I can't tell how the under frame ribs and brake rigging are assembled.

Thanks for any help,
Jim Jeffery



Re: Services of the Pullman Library

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Hi Eric,
 
I see Pullman Standard, but not Pressed Steel Car.  Am I missing something?
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 10:47 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library

 

The Pennsylvania State Archives seems to have some PSC archives.

http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/mg/mg393.htm

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 10:43 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library




No.  We have Pullman, Standard Steel Car and Budd drawings.

The Museum of Transportation in St. Louis does have a good collection of ACF drawings and the Barriger Library at UMSL has ACF documents and photos, many of which they have shared on Flickr.

I don't know of a source for Pressed Steel Car drawings.

Steve Hile

IRM volunteer


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 10:10 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library

 

Does the Pullman Library have AC&F or Pressed Steel Car drawings?

Scott McDonald



Re: Services of the Pullman Library

Eric Hansmann
 

The Pennsylvania State Archives seems to have some PSC archives.

 

http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/mg/mg393.htm

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 10:43 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library

 




No.  We have Pullman, Standard Steel Car and Budd drawings.

 

The Museum of Transportation in St. Louis does have a good collection of ACF drawings and the Barriger Library at UMSL has ACF documents and photos, many of which they have shared on Flickr.

 

I don't know of a source for Pressed Steel Car drawings.

 

Steve Hile

IRM volunteer

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 10:10 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library

 

Does the Pullman Library have AC&F or Pressed Steel Car drawings?

Scott McDonald



Re: Services of the Pullman Library

Steve and Barb Hile
 

No.  We have Pullman, Standard Steel Car and Budd drawings.
 
The Museum of Transportation in St. Louis does have a good collection of ACF drawings and the Barriger Library at UMSL has ACF documents and photos, many of which they have shared on Flickr.
 
I don't know of a source for Pressed Steel Car drawings.
 
Steve Hile
IRM volunteer


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 10:10 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library

 

Does the Pullman Library have AC&F or Pressed Steel Car drawings?

Scott McDonald

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