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SP A-50-4 automobile box car

Eric Hansmann
 

Another batch of tips and techniques are shared on the latest Resin Car Works blog post. Peter Hall describes how he built an HO scale Speedwitch Media Southern Pacific automobile box car. Check it out!

http://blog.resincarworks.com/building-a-speedwitch-media-sp-a-50-4-automobile-box-car/




Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Multi-compartment tank cars

Ed Hawkins
 

Richard Townsend richtownsend@... [STMFC] wrote:

Why were there no five compartment tank cars? There were one, two, three, four, and six compartment cars, but no five compartment cars. Why not? Just no shipper wanted one? Inquiring minds want to know.
Richard,
ACF built one, shown in RP CYC Volume 10 as part of an article on Type 27 uninsulated multiple-compartment tank cars.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Multi-compartment tank cars

Richard Townsend
 

Why were there no five compartment tank cars? There were one, two, three, four, and six compartment cars, but no five compartment cars. Why not? Just no shipper wanted one? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 


Re: Wabash Yard Scene

John Riddell
 

Further to Steve Hile’s note   --- Bettendorf records show that between 1901 and 1903 Bettendorf built 14 orders of tank car underframes for UTL for a total of 2,200. There were five different length-over-end-sills:  30-0, 31-0, 37-0, 38-0, 44-4.
 
John Riddell   


Re: Wabash Yard Scene

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

 

. As a last resort to having the tank slip through the bands and slide past the end of the frame, the center tank band "lassoed" the dome. The center anchor was a much more elegant solution.


     According to the MCR report of 1903, the reason for the dome yoke was to prevent the tank rotating around its long axis. Full agreement, though, that the center anchor solved a whole bunch of problems in an admirably simple way. It was invented by John Van Dyke of UTL, if memory serves.


Re: Wabash Yard Scene

Tim O'Connor
 


And were these the famous Rockefeller tank cars? The car in the photo is
dated 1899, and Standard Oil and UTC were separated in 1901.

Tim O'




There have been recent comments about a Wabash Yard Scene photo.  In the foreground is a partial view of a Union Tank Line tank car.  I just added to our Files section a page from a 1907 Bettendorf catalog.

  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Bettendorf%20UTL%20tank%20car.jpg

I believe this could be a match for what's seen in the photo.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Wabash Yard Scene

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote :

Looks like you nailed it, Brian.



So, is that a tube on the lengthwise centerline of the car, running down from the dome? And if so, why?
============================

That's a tank band to hold the tank to the frame. Before the development of the center tank anchor, the tank was contained by head blocks. As a last resort to having the tank slip through the bands and slide past the end of the frame, the center tank band "lassoed" the dome. The center anchor was a much more elegant solution.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Wabash Yard Scene

Steve and Barb Hile
 

There are five tank bands around the tank on this tank car.  Four are flat strips with threaded rods welded to their ends.  The center one is a round "wire" that wraps around the dome. to help keep the dome upright.  The tank sits in a fabricated cradle and is restrained on the ends by a large block of wood (about the same cross section as a railroad tie) known as a head block.  There was no center anchor or other physical connection between the tank and the frame which then allows for expansion and contraction with temperature.
 
Bettendorf had actually supplied (according to Brian's photo and other material) some 2500 of these steel underframes to UTL in the early years of the 20th century to replace wood frames on new or rebuilt tank cars.  The Van Dyke designs, Class V and X supplanted the head block design as the years went on, but some B underframe cars survived into the 1920's, for sure.
 
Digging into this history has proven fascinating to me.
 
Steve Hile



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Looks like you nailed it, Brian.

So, is that a tube on the lengthwise centerline of the car, running down from the dome? And if so, why?

An aside from the tank car: That photo is FULL of neat details. The corner of the box car roof that is against the end of the subject tank. I hadn’t noticed how beat-up it is. And the Wabash box on the other side of the coal-loaded gon past the tank: catch the single grab on the corner of the roof mounted at ~45 degree angle, one grab for both the side and end ladders, with no latitudinals.

Schuyler

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wabash Yard Scene

There have been recent comments about a Wabash Yard Scene photo. In the foreground is a partial view of a Union Tank Line tank car. I just added to our Files section a page from a 1907 Bettendorf catalog.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Bettendorf%20UTL%20tank%20car.jpg

I believe this could be a match for what's seen in the photo.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

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Re: SHPX 2-compartment tank car?

Richard Townsend
 

Thanks, Tony. That's exactly what I need.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] SHPX 2-compartment tank car?

 
I am looking for a prototype SHPX 2-compartment tank car of about 10K gallon total capacity. Would it be difficult to look at the tank car tariff to identify such a car? What I need is the car number, i.e., SHPX XXXXX. Thanks for any help.
 

      In the 1955 tariff, there are several, for example SHPX 157, 9942 gallons; 158, 9933 gallons; 159, 9877 gallons, and so on, from SHPX 160 to 166, all 9900 plus gallons.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: SHPX 2-compartment tank car?

Tony Thompson
 

I am looking for a prototype SHPX 2-compartment tank car of about 10K gallon total capacity. Would it be difficult to look at the tank car tariff to identify such a car? What I need is the car number, i.e., SHPX XXXXX. Thanks for any help.
 

      In the 1955 tariff, there are several, for example SHPX 157, 9942 gallons; 158, 9933 gallons; 159, 9877 gallons, and so on, from SHPX 160 to 166, all 9900 plus gallons.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






SHPX 2-compartment tank car?

Richard Townsend
 

I am looking for a prototype SHPX 2-compartment tank car of about 10K gallon total capacity. Would it be difficult to look at the tank car tariff to identify such a car? What I need is the car number, i.e., SHPX XXXXX. Thanks for any help.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 


Re: Wabash Yard Scene

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Looks like you nailed it, Brian.



So, is that a tube on the lengthwise centerline of the car, running down from the dome? And if so, why?



An aside from the tank car: That photo is FULL of neat details. The corner of the box car roof that is against the end of the subject tank. I hadn’t noticed how beat-up it is. And the Wabash box on the other side of the coal-loaded gon past the tank: catch the single grab on the corner of the roof mounted at ~45 degree angle, one grab for both the side and end ladders, with no latitudinals.


Schuyler



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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wabash Yard Scene





There have been recent comments about a Wabash Yard Scene photo. In the foreground is a partial view of a Union Tank Line tank car. I just added to our Files section a page from a 1907 Bettendorf catalog.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Bettendorf%20UTL%20tank%20car.jpg

I believe this could be a match for what's seen in the photo.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Wabash Yard Scene

brianleppert@att.net
 

  There have been recent comments about a Wabash Yard Scene photo.  In the foreground is a partial view of a Union Tank Line tank car.  I just added to our Files section a page from a 1907 Bettendorf catalog.

  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Bettendorf%20UTL%20tank%20car.jpg

I believe this could be a match for what's seen in the photo.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


New file uploaded to STMFC

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Chasing NYNH&H Placard Boards

Bill Welch
 

Here is a photo of the two styles of Placard Boards I fabricated for the post war 10-ft IH New Haven boxcar I am working on. The PB's on the doors used two different sizes of lumber. For two middle boards I made 2x5 boards from 2x4 and 1x2 styrene while the outer boards are made from 2x4 styrene. For the end PB's I used the 2x5 boards. Once the glue had cured I trimmed them and sanded the back to thin each part. I don't know the exact dimensions of the lumber or the PB's themselves but I think they look very close. For example the door PB's span exactly the same number of ribs as on the prototype photo and the rivets that join the door's sections. As you can see I have also used harvested rivets on the InterMountain Improved Dreadnaught end part.

Clearly I have become as obsessed with Placard Boards as I am with Sill Steps.


Bill Welch


Re: General Electric Tank Car

Tim O'Connor
 


Were many Type 25's built ?? These could easily be confused with GATC tank cars.

Tim O'Connor



Earlier this month there was a brief discussion on a General Electric tank car.  It seemed some members were not familiar with the AC&F Type 25 underframe.  I have added to our Files section a page from an AC&F catalog showing their Type 25 tank car at

   https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/AC%26F%20Type%2025.jpg

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: General Electric Tank Car

brianleppert@att.net
 

Earlier this month there was a brief discussion on a General Electric tank car.  It seemed some members were not familiar with the AC&F Type 25 underframe.  I have added to our Files section a page from an AC&F catalog showing their Type 25 tank car at

   https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/AC%26F%20Type%2025.jpg

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


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Re: A great Shorpey's photo

rwitt_2000
 

My list is below.


Scranton Silk Mill box car and reefer

Delaware Lackawanna & Western 10486
Delaware Lackawanna & Western
Delaware Lackawanna & Western 2468
Central Railroad of New Jersey
gap
LS&MS
CRR of NJ
CRR of NJ reefer
cannot resolve
Gon
Gon
Track through loading/unloading shed
cannot resolve
D&H Co
Left hand door LV flag emblem
PRR XL sealed door
Mostly locked by trees


Bob Witt


Re: YVRR layout video on YouTube...

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/22/2017 11:07 AM, 'Jack Burgess' jack@... [STMFC] wrote:

Back on 6/12/2017, Jon Miller asked if the YouTube video of my Yosemite Valley Railroad layout was available in Blu-Ray.

Ordered mine!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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