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Re: One wonky boxcar

Garth Groff or Sally Sanford <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

I took a photo of ACY 3024 in San Diego circa 1977, probably on its way to the museum in Campo or being stored for later movement. If anyone needs same, I will share an e-version. PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF-LIST (I will not respond unless the request is off-list).

I wondered why this car was there. Now I know. Thanks much, Eric.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/1/17 2:12 PM, Eric Lombard elombard@... [STMFC] wrote:

 
Tim, Scott, Eric...

Yes, there were two additional series that had wood ends, similar or identical side patterns, and the same internal dimensions :

AC&Y 3000-3149 wood ends with 4 posts, leased 3-1941, but delivery extended through war reaching 149 as 3001-3149 by 7-1945. Lease renewed 2-1963, 15 active in 1-1970, and #3142, last active car retired 10-1971. Five cars reside at Mid-Continent: #3011, 3016, 3048, 3061, 3081, and one, #3024, at Pacific Southwest Railroad Musem, Campo, CA.

AC&Y 3175-3199 wood ends with 4 posts, renumbered 1959 from MRS 8000-8024? This is circumstantial based on ORER counts and dimensions. Lease renewal 2-1963. 19 cars active 7-1965, 1 in 1-1970, gone by 7-1970.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:34 PM, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Nevermind. I just found Eric Lombard’s latest post on this matter.

 

And so it goes.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


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Has anyone referenced an ORER from this time frame to determine if these AC&Y cars are Mather owned? Check the notes of the AC&Y entry for repair instructions and/or billing.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


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Eric

I have a photo scan from Soph Marty (deceased) of ACY #3003, which appears to be
an identical car except that it has wood ends. Were some cars from the #3003 "series"
rebuilt and renumbered as 3150-3174?

Also found these scans from Ebay: #3044, #3075, #3086. All of them match #3003 in
design. Some photos are late 1950's so they do overlap 3150-3174.

Tim O'Connor



 Good Morning, Scott...
 My resources indicate this car, AC&Y 3152, is as you first suspected, is a Mather car and is
 out of AC&Y 3150-3174, 25 cars, leased 1954. The lease was renewed in Feb. 1962. In Jan. 1970
 there were 10 cars in service and the last, #3153, was retired Oct. 1971. Two cars, #3151, 3161,
 were donated to the Mid-Continent Railway Museum, North Freedom, WI. By 2016 they were being used
 as storage sheds at that location. I agree, amalgam of Improved Dreadnaught ends coupled a
 single-wood-sheathed construction and a unique post and brace pattern are indeed "Wonky".

 
Eric Lombard


    h ttps://www.ebay.com/itm/222734320396

 





Re: Reciprocal Switching Agreements

Dave Nelson
 

I looked at that report… very interesting.



Q: Was coal from mine to offsite washing/crushing plant to end customer in any way similar to grain storage to flour mill to end customer? IIRC there were either special tariffs or waybills for the later.



Dave Nelson



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On 11/30/2017 9:52 PM, Allen Rueter allen_282@... [STMFC] wrote:



Jeff

search for "coal report of illinois"1955 at babel.hathitrust.org

It does show mines served by more than one railroad.



-- Allen Rueter StLouis MO













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Re: One wonky boxcar

Eric Lombard
 

Tim, Scott, Eric...

Yes, there were two additional series that had wood ends, similar or identical side patterns, and the same internal dimensions :

AC&Y 3000-3149 wood ends with 4 posts, leased 3-1941, but delivery extended through war reaching 149 as 3001-3149 by 7-1945. Lease renewed 2-1963, 15 active in 1-1970, and #3142, last active car retired 10-1971. Five cars reside at Mid-Continent: #3011, 3016, 3048, 3061, 3081, and one, #3024, at Pacific Southwest Railroad Musem, Campo, CA.

AC&Y 3175-3199 wood ends with 4 posts, renumbered 1959 from MRS 8000-8024? This is circumstantial based on ORER counts and dimensions. Lease renewal 2-1963. 19 cars active 7-1965, 1 in 1-1970, gone by 7-1970.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:34 PM, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Nevermind. I just found Eric Lombard’s latest post on this matter.

 

And so it goes.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] One wonky boxcar

 




Has anyone referenced an ORER from this time frame to determine if these AC&Y cars are Mather owned? Check the notes of the AC&Y entry for repair instructions and/or billing.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


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Eric

I have a photo scan from Soph Marty (deceased) of ACY #3003, which appears to be
an identical car except that it has wood ends. Were some cars from the #3003 "series"
rebuilt and renumbered as 3150-3174?

Also found these scans from Ebay: #3044, #3075, #3086. All of them match #3003 in
design. Some photos are late 1950's so they do overlap 3150-3174.

Tim O'Connor



 Good Morning, Scott...
 My resources indicate this car, AC&Y 3152, is as you first suspected, is a Mather car and is
 out of AC&Y 3150-3174, 25 cars, leased 1954. The lease was renewed in Feb. 1962. In Jan. 1970
 there were 10 cars in service and the last, #3153, was retired Oct. 1971. Two cars, #3151, 3161,
 were donated to the Mid-Continent Railway Museum, North Freedom, WI. By 2016 they were being used
 as storage sheds at that location. I agree, amalgam of Improved Dreadnaught ends coupled a
 single-wood-sheathed construction and a unique post and brace pattern are indeed "Wonky".

 
Eric Lombard


    h ttps://www.ebay.com/itm/222734320396

 




Re: One wonky boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

Nevermind. I just found Eric Lombard’s latest post on this matter.

 

And so it goes.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] One wonky boxcar

 




Has anyone referenced an ORER from this time frame to determine if these AC&Y cars are Mather owned? Check the notes of the AC&Y entry for repair instructions and/or billing.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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Eric

I have a photo scan from Soph Marty (deceased) of ACY #3003, which appears to be
an identical car except that it has wood ends. Were some cars from the #3003 "series"
rebuilt and renumbered as 3150-3174?

Also found these scans from Ebay: #3044, #3075, #3086. All of them match #3003 in
design. Some photos are late 1950's so they do overlap 3150-3174.

Tim O'Connor



 Good Morning, Scott...
 My resources indicate this car, AC&Y 3152, is as you first suspected, is a Mather car and is
 out of AC&Y 3150-3174, 25 cars, leased 1954. The lease was renewed in Feb. 1962. In Jan. 1970
 there were 10 cars in service and the last, #3153, was retired Oct. 1971. Two cars, #3151, 3161,
 were donated to the Mid-Continent Railway Museum, North Freedom, WI. By 2016 they were being used
 as storage sheds at that location. I agree, amalgam of Improved Dreadnaught ends coupled a
 single-wood-sheathed construction and a unique post and brace pattern are indeed "Wonky".

 
Eric Lombard


    h ttps://www.ebay.com/itm/222734320396

 



Re: One wonky boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

Has anyone referenced an ORER from this time frame to determine if these AC&Y cars are Mather owned? Check the notes of the AC&Y entry for repair instructions and/or billing.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 12:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] One wonky boxcar

 



Eric

I have a photo scan from Soph Marty (deceased) of ACY #3003, which appears to be
an identical car except that it has wood ends. Were some cars from the #3003 "series"
rebuilt and renumbered as 3150-3174?

Also found these scans from Ebay: #3044, #3075, #3086. All of them match #3003 in
design. Some photos are late 1950's so they do overlap 3150-3174.

Tim O'Connor



 Good Morning, Scott...
 My resources indicate this car, AC&Y 3152, is as you first suspected, is a Mather car and is
 out of AC&Y 3150-3174, 25 cars, leased 1954. The lease was renewed in Feb. 1962. In Jan. 1970
 there were 10 cars in service and the last, #3153, was retired Oct. 1971. Two cars, #3151, 3161,
 were donated to the Mid-Continent Railway Museum, North Freedom, WI. By 2016 they were being used
 as storage sheds at that location. I agree, amalgam of Improved Dreadnaught ends coupled a
 single-wood-sheathed construction and a unique post and brace pattern are indeed "Wonky".

 
Eric Lombard


    h ttps://www.ebay.com/itm/222734320396


Re: Reciprocal Switching Agreements

Jeffrey White
 

Thanks Allen.  I'm still trying to figure out how the cars owned by the railroad that wasn't switching the mine were handled.

Jeff White                                                                                                     Alma IL


On 11/30/2017 9:52 PM, Allen Rueter allen_282@... [STMFC] wrote:

 
Jeff
  search for "coal report of illinois"1955 at babel.hathitrust.org
It does show mines served by more than one railroad.

Do you know of any coal tariffs for the IC or CB&Q?
 
-- Allen Rueter StLouis MO



Re: One wonky boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Eric

I have a photo scan from Soph Marty (deceased) of ACY #3003, which appears to be
an identical car except that it has wood ends. Were some cars from the #3003 "series"
rebuilt and renumbered as 3150-3174?

Also found these scans from Ebay: #3044, #3075, #3086. All of them match #3003 in
design. Some photos are late 1950's so they do overlap 3150-3174.

Tim O'Connor



 Good Morning, Scott...
 My resources indicate this car, AC&Y 3152, is as you first suspected, is a Mather car and is
 out of AC&Y 3150-3174, 25 cars, leased 1954. The lease was renewed in Feb. 1962. In Jan. 1970
 there were 10 cars in service and the last, #3153, was retired Oct. 1971. Two cars, #3151, 3161,
 were donated to the Mid-Continent Railway Museum, North Freedom, WI. By 2016 they were being used
 as storage sheds at that location. I agree, amalgam of Improved Dreadnaught ends coupled a
 single-wood-sheathed construction and a unique post and brace pattern are indeed "Wonky".

 Eric Lombard


    h ttps://www.ebay.com/itm/222734320396


Re: LV Oak Island Yard 1939

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Chuck, Ben, and List Members,
 
For those interested, the Library of Congress original can be found at the link below.
 
 
Download the TIF version, and the level of detail is hard to believe.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
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Chuck Davis wrote:
"Here’s a link to a Shorpy photo titled: rail yard, Newark, April 1939."
http://www.shorpy.com/node/22788?size=_original#caption

We still have issues with giving credit where credit is due: it's NOT a "Shorpy photo", but one from the Library of Congress' Farm Security Administration/Office of War Information collection, the entirety of which has been digitized and is available online at https://www.loc.gov/collections/?sp=3 .
 
Shorpy does a wonderful job of bringing these images to light, but don't think for a minute that they're from some never-seen collection of the owner of that blog.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: One wonky boxcar

Eric Lombard
 

Good Morning, Scott...

My resources indicate this car, AC&Y 3152, is as you first suspected, is a Mather car and is out of AC&Y 3150-3174, 25 cars, leased 1954. The lease was renewed in Feb. 1962. In Jan. 1970 there were 10 cars in service and the last, #3153, was retired Oct. 1971. Two cars, #3151, 3161, were donated to the  Mid-Continent Railway Museum, North Freedom, WI. By 2016 they were being used as storage sheds at that location. I agree, amalgam of Improved Dreadnaught ends coupled a single-wood-sheathed construction and a unique post and brace pattern are indeed "Wonky".

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Scott Chatfield blindog@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 


At first glance the C-channel diagonals make me think Mather but I don't recall any Mather boxcars with Dreadnaught ends.  The verticals are funky too.  A pair of T-sections riveted together to make an H-section?  And what's with the diagonals on the panels beside the door?  This is not the place to change truss designs....


Scott Chatfield



Re: LV Oak Island Yard 1939

Tony Thompson
 

Ben Hom wrote:

 
 We still have issues with giving credit where credit is due: it's NOT a "Shorpy photo", but one from the Library of Congress' Farm Security Administration/Office of War Information collection, the entirety of which has been digitized and is available online at https://www.loc.gov/collections/?sp=3 .

Shorpy does a wonderful job of bringing these images to light, but don't think for a minute that they're from some never-seen collection of the owner of that blog.

Well said, Ben, and let's not ignore that the image was created by Arthur Rothstein, one of the many giants of photography employed by FSA /OWI . If you'd like to know more about his accomplishments, just Google his name.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: LV Oak Island Yard 1939

Benjamin Hom
 

Chuck Davis wrote:
"Here’s a link to a Shorpy photo titled: rail yard, Newark, April 1939."
http://www.shorpy.com/node/22788?size=_original#caption

We still have issues with giving credit where credit is due: it's NOT a "Shorpy photo", but one from the Library of Congress' Farm Security Administration/Office of War Information collection, the entirety of which has been digitized and is available online at https://www.loc.gov/collections/?sp=3 .

Shorpy does a wonderful job of bringing these images to light, but don't think for a minute that they're from some never-seen collection of the owner of that blog.


Ben Hom


Re: LV Oak Island Yard 1939

 

And notice the difference in gondola widths!





Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni


LV Oak Island Yard 1939

Layout Tour
 

Heres a link to a Shorpy photo titled: rail yard, Newark, April 1939  I think many of you will find interesting if you haven’t seen it, and a friend believes this is the Lehigh Valley’s Oak Island yard.  The LV hopper interiors really jumped out at me, especially the variations in the interior bracing and ends.  Too bad it didn’t catch the whole interior on the 1st car with the wood slope sheet.  The interiors of the RDG and other gondolas also provide some great ideas for modeling the junk left in them.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/22788?size=_original#caption

Chuck Davis

Norfolk, VA


Test only. Do not reply

Mikebrock
 

Test

Mike Brock


One wonky boxcar

D. Scott Chatfield
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ACY-Box-Car-Wood-Outside-Braced-35mm-Dup-Slide/222734320396

At first glance the C-channel diagonals make me think Mather but I don't recall any Mather boxcars with Dreadnaught ends.  The verticals are funky too.  A pair of T-sections riveted together to make an H-section?  And what's with the diagonals on the panels beside the door?  This is not the place to change truss designs....


Scott Chatfield


Re: ADMIN: Hotel rates at Prototype Rails 2018

Mikebrock
 

Jeff Aley writes:

My, my.  I haven’t seen this level of inflamed feelings on STMFC in a long time. I think it will come as no surprise to anyone when I say that THIS TOPIC IS NOW CLOSED.  Violators will have their posts moderated.

 

Absolutely. Note that “Announcements about prototype modeling events are within scope” but, to be sure, that “scope” does not include the level of “heat” addressed by Jeff. Essentially, processes used by the host’s operations team to put on the event are the business of the host..not the attendee population.. Furthermore, note the STMFC rule:  “Members are expected to conduct themselves in a gentlemanly manner.”

 

Now, I realize that this might be difficult for some but…please try. One last thing, don’t assume that all MR associated events are conducted in the same way.

 

Mike Brock

 


Re: CN 50 foot Express Auto Cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Ah, yes! I have a scan of GTW #11498 - with an end door too - and it is stenciled
"through baggage" and rides on some type of "Commonwealth trucks", possibly GSC.

Tim O'Connor


   I am trying to verify the identity of an express boxcar shown in a photo of a Monon train.
   The car appears to have a CN paint scheme, it is 50ft, double door, end door car with what
   look like GSC express trucks.  Was there such a car on the CN?


 
Not CN, but think GTW...
 Ian Cranstone


Re: Reciprocal Switching Agreements

Allen Rueter
 

Jeff
  search for "coal report of illinois"1955 at babel.hathitrust.org
It does show mines served by more than one railroad.

Do you know of any coal tariffs for the IC or CB&Q?
 
-- Allen Rueter StLouis MO


Re: Hotel rates at Prototype Rails 2018

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.
 

Tim:

 

I run the NMRA national conventions.  Making our hotel room obligations gets us the meeting rooms for free. Computers, microphones, projectors all come out of registration.  Some hotels require union electricians hook up the AV every day and store it each night.  Making your room night obligation makes a convention affordable.  Don’t make it and you will pay for the meeting space.

 

So using the convention hotel makes the convention possible.

 

Bob Amsler

Saint Louis, Missouri

 

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You've got to be joking. Folks who can afford the high life calling those
with limited means "subversive". Nice. Chicagoland charged me $99 just to
attend - I assume 300 people @ $99 probably covered the meeting rooms. Not
to mention table rentals.

Tim O'Connor

>Outstanding way to undermine Prototype Rails organizers by keeping event hotel Room Occupancy down. Anyone that has ever organized an event with a hotel will understand this subversive activity.
>Bill Welch


Re: CN 50 foot Express Auto Cars

Ian Cranstone
 


On Nov 30, 2017, at 12:35 PM, Mike Auderheife wrote:

I am trying to verify the identity of an express boxcar shown in a photo of a Monon train.  The car appears to have a CN paint scheme, it is 50ft, double door, end door car with what look like GSC express trucks.  Was there such a car on the CN?


Not CN, but think GTW...

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada


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