On Sep 26, 2022, at 2:14 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Those are great! You probably could sell them on Ebay (or Amazon!) to modelers -- sized for each brand. :-)

On 9/26/2022 2:08 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

After knocking over a few bottles of paint and Tenax, I made  caddies with wide bases to hold the different sizes of paint and glue bottles I use. I drilled through the top piece, then glued that piece onto a base block. I only use Vallejo once to get the right color of red on a Cudahy reefer ends and roof, so I haven’t made a caddie for Vallejo bottles yet. Most of my painting is airbrushing in the paint booth, and I don’t use the caddies there, just when painting at the workbench. I also use a caddie to hold Micro Set and Micro Sol, which are especially prone to getting knocked over without support. The photos shows my caddie collection.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Skeels
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 11:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Airbrushing Water-Base Paints

 

Thanks Nelson,  that's basically, what I have been doing, but my mixing tools aren't quite as sophisticated.  Actually, I have on occasion spilled paint while pulling the dropper portion  off of the bottle. I'm  looking at a method of mixing that avoids pulling the dropper or hand shaking.  I have some thoughts on what I may experiment  with and will share with the group if I succeed.

 

 

 

 

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

After knocking over a few bottles of paint and Tenax, I made  caddies with wide bases to hold the different sizes of paint and glue bottles I use. I drilled through the top piece, then glued that piece onto a base block. I only use Vallejo once to get the right color of red on a Cudahy reefer ends and roof, so I haven’t made a caddie for Vallejo bottles yet. Most of my painting is airbrushing in the paint booth, and I don’t use the caddies there, just when painting at the workbench. I also use a caddie to hold Micro Set and Micro Sol, which are especially prone to getting knocked over without support. The photos shows my caddie collection.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Skeels
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 11:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Airbrushing Water-Base Paints

 

Thanks Nelson,  that's basically, what I have been doing, but my mixing tools aren't quite as sophisticated.  Actually, I have on occasion spilled paint while pulling the dropper portion  off of the bottle. I'm  looking at a method of mixing that avoids pulling the dropper or hand shaking.  I have some thoughts on what I may experiment  with and will share with the group if I succeed.

 

 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone

 

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• Glue and Paint Caddies.JPG

Jeff asked what method I use to mix Vallejo paints in their bottle?

Jeff I mix the Vallejo paint in their bottle by first shaking the bottle as any paint.  And, then removing the top of the dropper bottle and using a stirring tool I put inside the bottle and stir it manually.  I have included photos of my stirring tools.  The three are: the cupped one from a measuring spoon from a chemistry set, one with a slot that do not remember where I obtained and the third a brass wire flatten on one end with a hammer to make the flat and the other end dipped in a plastic tool coating material available at the hardware store.
The other photo shows top remove and one of the stirring tolls inside an empty bottle for photo.

Lester Breuer

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I agree with you about the roof, but I don’t see black on the underframe. How do we differentiate between steam era soot and car cement in a black and white photo?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 6:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Amarillo RR Museum FW&D Covered Hopper

 

Nelson

In my opinion this car, built 12-48, has a black roof.

On 09/25/2022 7:15 PM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

Jeff asked what method I use to mix Vallejo paints in their bottle?

Jeff I mix the Vallejo paint in their bottle by first shaking the bottle as any paint.  And, then removing the top of the dropper bottle and using a stirring tool I put inside the bottle and stir it manually.  I have included photos of my stirring tools.  The three are: the cupped one from a measuring spoon from a chemistry set, one with a slot that do not remember where I obtained and the third a brass wire flatten on one end with a hammer to make the flat and the other end dipped in a plastic tool coating material available at the hardware store.
The other photo shows top remove and one of the stirring tolls inside an empty bottle for photo.

Lester Breuer

I will again reference the Ed Hawkins article in RPC Volume 30.  My FW&D covered hoppers will follow his description of colors at page 97.  “The sides, ends, slope sheets and AB brake parts received mineral red paint.  Black car cement was applied to the roof, hopper bottoms and outlets.” 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

Seeing the black roof raised a red flag for me, so I posted a question about covered hopper paint colors on the CB&Q list and consulted Burlington Bulletin No. 20 titled Covered Hoppers. CB&Q built the first HC-1 covered hoppers in Galesburg and when the Galesburg car shop was closed, the rest of the series was build in Havelock, NE. Orders for HC-1s were placed in 1940, 1943, 1945, 1948. HC-1A orders were placed in 1951, 1952, 1954, 1955, and 1957. HC-1B orders were placed in 1958, HC-1C orders were placed in 1961, and HC-1D order were placed in 1968 and 1969. Cars were essentially identical except for trucks, hand brakes, and paint schemes, and lettering. HC-1 cars built in 1940 were mineral red on all surfaces with Everywhere West slogan and black background heralds. They had Nataional Type B trucks and Equipco hand brakes. The black herald background was elliminated with subsequent orders, but the paint and lettering was the same. FW&D got 25 cars (series 2201-2225) from the 1945 order.  A photograph of FW&D 2215 taken in 1963 shows no black paint on the underfarme, trucks, or roof. Block lettering and black paint was first used on covered hoppers with the HC-1B order in 1958. The Everywhere West slogan was eliminated at that time. All of these cars had black trucks, most were painted mineral red overall, and a few were painted solid black overall. Black underbody with mineral red on the rest of the car was first used PS-2 cars and on repaints in the 1960. No mention is made of black roofs, except on solid black cars.The paint scheme changed in 1961, when hoppers were painted light gray with red block lettering and a three color Burlington Route herald.

So from BB#20 text and photos, none of the HC-1 series cars with the Everywhere West slogan ever had black roofs or underframes. It's possible FW&D repainted roofs black, but the photo of 2215 taken in 1963 suggest otherwise. The response I got from the CBQ group supports that conclusion.

Seeing the black roof raised a red flag for me, so I posted a question about covered hopper paint colors on the CB&Q list and consulted Burlington Bulletin No. 20 titled Covered Hoppers. CB&Q built the first HC-1 covered hoppers in Galesburg and when the Galesburg car shop was closed, the rest of the series was build in Havelock, NE. Orders for HC-1s were placed in 1940, 1943, 1945, 1948. HC-1A orders were placed in 1951, 1952, 1954, 1955, and 1957. HC-1B orders were placed in 1958, HC-1C orders were placed in 1961, and HC-1D order were placed in 1968 and 1969. Cars were essentially identical except for trucks, hand brakes, and paint schemes, and lettering. HC-1 cars built in 1940 were mineral red on all surfaces with Everywhere West slogan and black background heralds. They had Nataional Type B trucks and Equipco hand brakes. The black herald background was elliminated with subsequent orders, but the paint and lettering was the same. FW&D got 25 cars (series 2201-2225) from the 1945 order.  A photograph of FW&D 2215 taken in 1963 shows no black paint on the underfarme, trucks, or roof. Block lettering and black paint was first used on covered hoppers with the HC-1B order in 1958. The Everywhere West slogan was eliminated at that time. All of these cars had black trucks, most were painted mineral red overall, and a few were painted solid black overall. Black underbody with mineral red on the rest of the car was first used PS-2 cars and on repaints in the 1960. No mention is made of black roofs, except on solid black cars.The paint scheme changed in 1961, when hoppers were painted light gray with red block lettering and a three color Burlington Route herald.

So from BB#20 text and photos, none of the HC-1 series cars with the Everywhere West slogan ever had black roofs or underframes. It's possible FW&D repainted roofs black, but the photo of 2215 taken in 1963 suggest otherwise. The response I got from the CBQ group supports that conclusion.

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts