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Re: 5 Man Crew.

Bruce Smith
 

​Yes, and on the PRR, the head end brakeman rides in the brakeman's shanty or "doghouse" on the tender, or in the cab if the fireman needs a hand or wants company.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


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Subject: [STMFC] 5 Man Crew.
 


The time period we are talking about... steam era... a five man crew... yes/no? Where does the head end brakeman ride? Cab of the engine? Caboose with a long walk to the front end.. ?

Gordon Spalty


Re: good view of SP 91493 - a steel drop bottom gon

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

 

Hi List Members,

A very good view of SP 91493 - a steel drop bottom gon.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12353074834/sizes/o/

Enjoy!


     Interesting shot. The load is coal, likely from Dawson.

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Re: 5 Man Crew.

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Gordon,

For road jobs, the usual crew complement was engineer, fireman, conductor, head end brakeman, and rear end brakeman.  Some states required, and I think some railroads used, depending on the job the train did, a swing brakeman that would work wherever needed between both ends of the train.

For yard jobs, at least on the terminal switching outfit that I worked at, the crew complement was engineer, fireman, switch crew foreman and three switchmen. 

Some shortlines, industrial railroads and loggers would use only 2-3 crewmen, and were not subject to national and state full crew laws.

Todd Sullivan.


good view of SP 91493 - a steel drop bottom gon

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

A very good view of SP 91493 - a steel drop bottom gon.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12353074834/sizes/o/

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund


Re: 5 Man Crew.

Tony Thompson
 

Gordon Spalty wrote:

 

The time period we are talking about... steam era... a five man crew... yes/no? Where does the head end brakeman ride? Cab of the engine? Caboose with a long walk to the front end.. ?


    Depended on the job if you had a head-end brakie or not. But he was called that because he rode the engine. Many steam cabs had a pull-down seat behind the fireman for his use. And that was the bottom of the crew totem pole, so to speak -- all the dirtier or less fun jobs would go to him.

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5 Man Crew.

 

The time period we are talking about... steam era... a five man crew... yes/no? Where does the head end brakeman ride? Cab of the engine? Caboose with a long walk to the front end.. ?

Gordon Spalty


Re: Any special purpose for trucks?

greg kennelly
 

Ian Cranstone wrote: "I seem to recall seeing at least one photo of these trucks utilized under a Canadian tank car, but they certainly were not common."

Ian, Pacific Great Eastern's tank cars in diesel fuel service (PGE 1921 - 1929) rode on a mixed bag of trucks, mostly on what I would call (lacking more specific information) a generic AAR 50-ton truck but photographs from the late 1950s by the late Bill Hewlett show that PGE 1924 rode on Andrews trucks and PGE 1928 rode on National B/B-1 trucks.  Also, a TA Watson photograph from your own collection shows BAOX 683 with a National B/B-1 under the B-end and a "generic" truck under the A-end.

Cheers,
Greg Kennelly
Burnaby, BC


Re: Resin Car Works kit update

Tom Madden
 

The goal is to have the 6.5K Class X tank car available at Naperville/Lisle. Later in the year the GN box, then the Santa Fe reefer. I don't know where Frank wants to fit the 10K Type X into the schedule, but the philosophy has been to not offer two variations of the same car at once so I suspect sales of the 6.5K will determine when the larger version gets released.


Tom Madden



---In STMFC@..., <repairman87@...> wrote :

Always great to see more resin models. Do you think you will have the SFRD reefer done in time for Chicago/Naperville/Lisle?

Scott McDonald


Re: some composite gons are getting rebuilt and/or reconditioned

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote :


What the ... ??? You know that is the name of Frank Hodina's freelance version
of the C&IM, right?

Tim O'
======================

I'm not sure that was unintentional, Tim. The C&IM was owned by Chicago area electric nullity Commonwealth Edison Co. It was, at one time, projected to run all the way to Chicago, but at some point ComEd realized it was cheaper to transload coal to barges. The C&IW was also partially owned by Commonwealth Edison, and was originally projected to run at least as far as Joliet, although they never got that far. History is hard to come by, but it may indeed have been meant to be the Chicago connection of the C&IM. Frank has, I think, taken more than a few liberties with the history, but I doubt he was unaware of the road.

Anyway, by the time the photo in question was taken, the C&IW was firmly in the IC camp, but they remained a separate entity long enough to roster diesels.

Dennis Storzek


Re: some composite gons are getting rebuilt and/or reconditioned

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Jeffrey,

Thanks for the greatly detailed write-up on these.

I went and checked with my Dec 1930 ORER, and C&IW has listed three series of 40ft (nominal) gons - 100-199 (GS type), 200-299 (GS type), and 400-599(GKA type).

Claus Schlund

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Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] some composite gons are getting rebuilt and/or reconditioned


Claus,

The IC owned a subsidiary railroad, the Chicago & Illinois Western that
worked in the Chicago Area. All of their equipment is listed in the IC
diagram books.

The C&IW showed a couple different series of composite gons like that in
the 1954 IC freight car equipment diagram book. Originall built in 1926
by the Ryan Car Company. In 1937 and 1938 100 of those cars were
converted to coke cars 50 at Centralia and 50 at Nonconnah and
renumbered from C&IW 400-599 to 700-799. In 1939 and 1940 40 cars
(600-639) had the drop bottoms doors removed and the sides lowered to 3'
5 1/4" at Centralia and Nonconnah.

In 1945 50 cars were converted to steel sides and renumbered to C&IW
1300-1349.

I think the photo was taken at the IC shop at Nonconnah.

Jeff White

Alma, IL


On 8/7/2017 2:38 PM, 'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC] wrote:

Hi List Members,

Looks like some composite gons are getting rebuilt and/or
reconditioned. Scrap wood all over the place, and what looks like an
overhead gantry crane to help lift scrap material up and out of the cars.

I am uncertain as to the road name - the negative is indicated as IC,
but when I correct the orientation, it looks like the gon on
the very far side with a partial view only has a spelled out road name
starting in CHICAGO. The cars look like they might be MILW
40ft composite cars, but I am not certain.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12352531665/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund


Re: some composite gons are getting rebuilt and/or reconditioned

Jeffrey White
 

I originally thought it was taken at Nonconnah but after looking at the 1938 aerial photos of the Centralia area I think you're right it was Centralia. 

I'm going to say that the gondolas C&IW gons that the IC refurbished in Centralia between 1939 and 1941.

Jeff White
Alma IL

On 8/7/2017 3:39 PM, jack.f.mullen@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

You may be right, Ben. My first thought was CIM, Chicago & Illinois Midland, but the last letter is too indistinct for me to be sure.
This appears to be near Centralia, IL on the IC.

Jack Mullen



Re: some composite gons are getting rebuilt and/or reconditioned

Jack Mullen
 

You may be right, Ben. My first thought was CIM, Chicago & Illinois Midland, but the last letter is too indistinct for me to be sure.
This appears to be near Centralia, IL on the IC.

Jack Mullen


Re: some composite gons are getting rebuilt and/or reconditioned

Tim O'Connor
 


What the ... ??? You know that is the name of Frank Hodina's freelance version
of the C&IM, right?

Tim O'




https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12352531665/sizes/o/

After rotating and flipping the image, the reporting marks look like CIW, which would
make it the Chicago and Illinois Western.

Ben Hom


Re: some composite gons are getting rebuilt and/or reconditioned

Jeffrey White
 

Claus,

The IC owned a subsidiary railroad, the Chicago & Illinois Western that worked in the Chicago Area.� All of their equipment is listed in the IC diagram books.

The C&IW showed a couple different series of composite gons like that in the 1954 IC freight car equipment diagram book.� Originall built in 1926 by the Ryan Car Company.� In 1937 and 1938 100 of those cars were converted to coke cars 50 at Centralia and 50 at Nonconnah and renumbered from C&IW 400-599 to 700-799. In 1939 and 1940 40 cars (600-639) had the drop bottoms doors removed and the sides lowered to 3' 5 1/4" at Centralia and Nonconnah.

In 1945 50 cars were converted to steel sides and renumbered to C&IW 1300-1349.

I think the photo was taken at the IC shop at Nonconnah.

Jeff White

Alma, IL�


On 8/7/2017 2:38 PM, 'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC] wrote:

�

Hi List Members,

Looks like some composite gons are getting rebuilt and/or reconditioned. Scrap wood all over the place, and what looks like an
overhead gantry crane to help lift scrap material up and out of the cars.

I am uncertain as to the road name - the negative is indicated as IC, but when I correct the orientation, it looks like the gon on
the very far side with a partial view only has a spelled out road name starting in CHICAGO. The cars look like they might be MILW
40ft composite cars, but I am not certain.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12352531665/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund



Re: Ajax brake wheel size.

Scott
 

Thank you for the replies.

The wheel is on a SFRD Rr-43 reefer which was rebuilt late 40's. I will be honest and say I dont know how to tell the difference between a cast or stamped wheel. I am using the wheel as a reference to reverse engineer dimensions of the improved dreadnaught stampings.

Scott McDonald


Re: Resin Car Works kit update

Scott
 

Always great to see more resin models. Do you think you will have the SFRD reefer done in time for Chicago/Naperville/Lisle?

Scott McDonald


Re: some composite gons are getting rebuilt and/or reconditioned

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote:
"Looks like some composite gons are getting rebuilt and/or reconditioned. Scrap wood all over the place, and what looks like an
overhead gantry crane to help lift scrap material up and out of the cars.

I am uncertain as to the road name - the negative is indicated as IC, but when I correct the orientation, it looks like the gon on
the very far side with a partial view only has a spelled out road name starting in CHICAGO. The cars look like they might be MILW
40ft composite cars, but I am not certain."
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12352531665/sizes/o/


After rotating and flipping the image, the reporting marks look like CIW, which would make it the Chicago and Illinois Western.


Ben Hom


some composite gons are getting rebuilt and/or reconditioned

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,

Looks like some composite gons are getting rebuilt and/or reconditioned. Scrap wood all over the place, and what looks like an overhead gantry crane to help lift scrap material up and out of the cars.

I am uncertain as to the road name - the negative is indicated as IC, but when I correct the orientation, it looks like the gon on the very far side with a partial view only has a spelled out road name starting in CHICAGO. The cars look like they might be MILW 40ft composite cars, but I am not certain.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12352531665/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund


Re: Resin Car Works kit update

Mike Auf der Heide
 

Eric,

Thanks for the RCW update.   I for one am very excited about the MILW 50 foot gon.  I have seen these cars in photos taken in the Midwest for years and it will be great to build one.

Mike Aufderheide


Re: the gon coupled to the boxcar was here moved with the drop doors ope

David Payne
 

 
 
In a message dated 8/7/2017 12:51:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
It looks like the gon coupled to the boxcar was here moved with the drop doors open. While we are at it, the boxcar was probably moved with the door open as well...
 
Though I cannot speak for the era in the photo, I've seen plenty of boxcars moving with one or both doors open and hoppers, but not drop-bottom gons, with dump doors open but certainly fewer than boxcar doors.  Hopper doors could strike grade crossings while boxcar doors created drag.  I can only image if the lateral doors of a drop-bottom gon struck some object.  Of course, since they were outside the gauge, there was probably less opportunity for this to occur.  Either way, don't be too surprised that rules/instructions weren't strictly adhered to ...
 
David Payne
Who once flagged down a train dragging an open hopper door ...
Georgia
 

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