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Re: now - GN 3000 series boxcars
Rich
Ah so! But things get more interesting -- The Red Caboose model CORRECTED the door opening. The Front Range door opening is actually 7-9 rather than 8-0. And the Front Range doors are 8-0 which is also incorrect, while the Red Caboose doors are 8-3 which is better, for covering the Red Caboose 8-0 opening. Obviously, larger opening = narrower side panel. Front Range also made two 40 foot combination door box cars with offset doors so these are worth looking at for modeling double door prototypes. BUT the FR doors span a distance on the side of 14-9. The plugdoor (cast in place) in this case is 6-9 -- a number Fred Becker chose because he already had the 8-0 sliding doors! But the kit also includes 8-0 plug doors in case you want to model a 40 foot double plug door box. Of course, 8-0 is technically incorrect for an 8-0 plug door since the nominal width of the plug door refers to the opening and not to the extreme width of the door, which is larger than the opening (typically 8-3 or so for an 8-0 opening). :-) On 7/17/2022 8:23 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Branchline NWX Reefer
radiodial868
That is a brave color scheme to tackle, and then to have it come out so well. Hats off!
-- ------------------- RJ Dial Mendocino, CA
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Re: Northern Pacific Automobile Box Car NP 8029
radiodial868
That is one interesting looking car. From the A end tiny lumber door to the B end Miner hand brake and everything in between. NP lived in its own world.
-- ------------------- RJ Dial Mendocino, CA
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Used and new Floquil
mopacfirst
I have approximately 100 used and new bottles of Floquil and Polly-S paints that I would like to pass along. I'm located in Houston, Texas. I know several people on this and other lists who could use this. Please let me know your interest. With proper packing, I'm sure I can ship this material.
Reply OFF-LIST to mopacfirst at gmail dot com. Ron Merrick
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Re: Branchline NWX Reefer
Paul Doggett
Bob
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You made a great job of that car. Paul Doggett
On 18 Jul 2022, at 00:35, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
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Re: UTLX Class X Tank Car Build
Dave Parker
On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 03:28 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Large numbersIt would be helpful to know which "several decades" this generalization is being applied to, as well as its basis. Thanks to Steve's book, we know exactly how many class V, X and X-3 cars UTLX acquired between 1901 and 1937. The 10,000-gal cars outnumbered the 8000s by about 4.5 to 1. Even the 6000/6500-gal cars outnumbered the 8000s by about 2.5 to 1, with the latter only accounting for 12% of the total. Given the overall size of the UTLX fleet (35,000+ cars from 1930 to 1945), I am curious to know which other fleets were sufficiently dominated by 8000-gal cars to effect the shift to a dominance of that size. And where the supporting data can be found. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: UTLX Class X Tank Car Build
At least the first car in this sequence is a UTLX X-3 10000 gallon tank, like the coming Rapido model.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 5:29 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UTLX Class X Tank Car Build
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General Petroleum Tank Cars - Questions
David
I believe this one is a windup shaft-style lever handbrake, using horizontal action rather than a up-down action. There is no evidence of any chain or pull link running up to the lever.
David Thompson
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Re: General Petroleum Tank Cars - Questions
Kenneth Montero
Bruce,
Thank you. Since it was mounted on around post, I did not know if it had a mechanism that rotated the post, as would be the case if a brake wheel was attached.
Ken Montero
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Re: General Petroleum Tank Cars - Questions
Ken,
That a lever handbrake, and it works just like every other lever handbrake. Lift up the lever, push or pull to tighten the attached brake chain. A ratchet mechanism allows the tension to be maintained, and to cycle the lever action.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 7:47 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] General Petroleum Tank Cars - Questions
Can anyone describe the "brake wheel" mechanism on GPCX 259? How did it work?
Ken Montero
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Re: Northern Pacific Automobile Box Car NP 8029
Interesting car and interesting what the photos reveal about it. I was struck by the heavy demarcation between boards the side sheathing of this car. The three quarter angle view is particularly revealing as I think it shows that the edges of the boards were bevelled - similar to some vertical siding. I'd be interested to know if this is unusual for NP cars, or not.
Rob Kirkham
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General Petroleum Tank Cars - Questions
Kenneth Montero
Can anyone describe the "brake wheel" mechanism on GPCX 259? How did it work?
Ken Montero
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Re: now - GN 3000 series boxcars
Richard Remiarz
Tim,
Red Caboose must have made more significant changes to the tooling. The Front Range 8’ door car had somewhat narrower panel sizes than the Red Caboose version of the car, so the Front Range cars look better than the Red Caboose version as a double door boxcar. In the attached photo you can see the Front Range car on top and the Red Caboose car below. The side panels closest to the doors on the Red Caboose car are much narrower than on the Front Range car. A have also noticed that the sides are much thicker on the Front Range cars than the Red Caboose version.
I am building one of the cars using the Front Range body. I will use the roof, underframe, and ladders, etc. from my 8’ door Red Caboose car, since the body isn’t correct anyway. The underframe will need to be slightly narrowed and shim added to bring up the height.
I will also build one of the cars from a Branchline kit.
After all of this, modeling the 3500 series is really fairly simple, trim the side sills from the McKean/Accurail car and add an overhanging diagonal panel roof.
Sincerely, Rich Remiarz
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Tim O'Connor
Rich
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Re: Branchline NWX Reefer
Wowzer Bob, you and Charlie set the bar awfully high
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Good looking build Fenton
On Jul 17, 2022, at 7:27 PM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51@...> wrote:
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Re: Branchline NWX Reefer
Bob
Great looking model! Glad I helped to breakup that sea of red. -- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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Branchline NWX Reefer
Bob Chapman
First, a shout-out to Charlie Duckworth for his recent post and fine modeling of the BL NWX reefer. With a stash totally bare of unbuilt resin kits and a layout already overpopulated with red boxcars, Charlie's model was perfect inspiration for a next project, and his off-line tips were a big help in making the project happen.
BL's styrene kit is an excellent representation of the NWX prototype, and the model was built mostly following the kit instructions, with a few exceptions. Wire hardware replaced the molded parts, and an AB brake system replaced the Type K.
I learned that painting and lettering in the NWX scheme is not for the faint-hearted -- lots of color separations, and the outstanding Oddballs decals are among the thinnest I have ever experienced.
Thanks, Charlie!
Bob Chapman
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Case Threshing Machine Co. Flat Car 503
Richard Wilkens
Here is a car I have not seen before, Case Threshing Machine Co. flat car No. 503. This photo was taken around April 1924 after Pacific Car & Foundry had built 3' gauge box car No. 1202 for the Pacific Coast Railway in California. Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive Collection.
Richard Wilkens
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Red Caboose killer-was McKean-Accurail box car (
Andy Carlson
Bill did not own Red Caboose. He ran it for a non-involved owner whose directions to Bill was simply "don't lose money". When that rule came across these losses RC was bleeding, the decision to cut bait resulted in the sell of RC to Intermountain. Bill went to work for awhile as a sales person at IM until his decision to retire and move to Crescent City, CA. It was hot today, 97 degrees I am told. I spent most of the day indoors, other than the earlier bike ride to the farmers market, done before it got too hot. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 03:24:13 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Andy
OMG it wasn't the trucks so much as the wheel sets! I'm fairly sure those also were a Front Range legacy, since I have some Front Range kits with those horrible metal wheel trucks (which were in a small "kit" package in the car kit that you had to assemble - or just throw out). However, the box cars were followed by the coil gondolas (STMFC folks may be unaware) which were fabulous models, and sold very well as far as I know. Also didn't the Red Caboose Harriman stock cars come out after the box cars as well? I think Bill went to work for Intermountain so I guess it all worked out in the end. :-) Tim On 7/17/2022 5:08 PM, Andy Carlson wrote: Bill told me that the economic hit the
on-the-ropes Red Caboose got was from the money spent
upgrading the former Front Range 40' box cars. The sales
were way below expectations and I would wager that parts for
these cars still lanquish in Intermountain's storage. Can't
blame all of RC's problems on the FR boxcars though, a lot
of the blame falls onto the 57' mechanical PFE Reefer, the
R-70-15. Nice car with truck problems, this project was a
bullet to the heart for RC.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
On Sunday,
July 17, 2022 at 11:16:29 AM PDT, Tim O'Connor
<timboconnor@...> wrote:
Rich
Yet ANOTHER way is to use the much improved Front Range 4070 box car kits from Red Caboose, kit # RC-8700. These have vastly improved roofs, doors, underframes, ladders, you name it. The tooling is now owned by Intermountain, but I don't know if they still offer these fine box car models. :-) On 7/17/2022 1:27 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: UTLX Class X Tank Car Build
I dunno, Bruce. As in most things, I think it 'depends' on what is being modeled. Large numbers of 8,000 gallon and lesser numbers of 10,000 gallon tank cars ARA III/ICC103 were predominant for petroleum transport (the predominant tank car cargo) for several decades. Tim O'Connor On 7/17/2022 5:34 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
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Re: Red Caboose killer-was McKean-Accurail box car (
Andy
OMG it wasn't the trucks so much as the wheel sets! I'm fairly sure those also were a Front Range legacy, since I have some Front Range kits with those horrible metal wheel trucks (which were in a small "kit" package in the car kit that you had to assemble - or just throw out). However, the box cars were followed by the coil gondolas (STMFC folks may be unaware) which were fabulous models, and sold very well as far as I know. Also didn't the Red Caboose Harriman stock cars come out after the box cars as well? I think Bill went to work for Intermountain so I guess it all worked out in the end. :-) Tim On 7/17/2022 5:08 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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