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Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes
Tony Thompson
On Jul 16, 2022, at 6:51 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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Re: Bangor & Aroostook Refrigerator Car BAR 2447
Drew M.
Wasn't this car offered as a kit by F&C years ago?
Drew Marshall in humid South Jersey
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Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes
Tony Thompson
On Jul 16, 2022, at 6:51 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 570062 (1941)
Guy,
Correct. They were changed out, probably for reasons of standardization. After all, the PRR didn't want to stock parts for two different systems, and couldn't count on other railroads to have parts either. So a non-standard system was a real problem.
I'm also not sure why you think that this is a one or the other situation. The PRR did both, convert KD to AB and upgrade existing AB.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Guy Wilber via groups.io <guycwilber@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 3:47 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 570062 (1941)
Bruce Smith wrote:
“The last batch of X29s built, post 1930, were built with experimental AB brakes with a transverse mounted reservoir. When these were upgraded to the more conventional AB brakes,
by and large they retained the transverse mounting.”
What was a “more conventional” “AB” brake system? The PRR changed out the existing system on 925 cars due to minor changes in the control valve and the later cast steel reservoir?
Seems as though the money would have been better spent towards converting “K” brakes to “AB” systems on older cars. When was that program implemented?
Regards,
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
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Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes
Ed,
In science, this is what is called "anecdotal evidence". Given that I'm pretty sure that the owner of this shop never actually surveyed his customers in a scientific manner, it is clear that this report must be regarded with deep skepticism. Anecdotes do not
equal data. 😉 Sadly, some people believe that this sort of thing actually constitutes "truth". It does not.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of ed_mines via groups.io <ed_mines@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 4:48 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes
The owner of hobbies for men in Beacon, NY told me 99% of "craftsman" model railroad car kits are never completed. I guess the more expensive a kit the less likely it was to be attempted.
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Bangor & Aroostook Refrigerator Car BAR 8000
Richard Wilkens
One last photo from the Bangor & Aroostook, refrigerator car BAR 8000, built April 1955. Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive Collection.
Richard Wilkens
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Bangor & Aroostook Refrigerator Car BAR 7471
Richard Wilkens
Pacific Car & Foundry built Bangor & Aroostook refrigerator car BAR 7471, built March 1952. Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive Collection.
Richard Wilkens
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Bangor & Aroostook Refrigerator Car BAR 2447
Richard Wilkens
Sometime ago the Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive was donated a large amount of scans of freight cars built at Pacific Car & Foundry. While the majority are of logging equipment we have quite a few of common carrier cars. Here is the first one and it is of Bangor & Aroostook refrigerator Car BAR 2447, built June 1953.
Richard Wilkens Director of Collections Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive
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Re: UP 40' Double door automobile car
Jim Pattison
Ken, That will be impressive when finished. Jim
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Adams
I have been working on a repaint/decal of the RTR Trix UP
A-50-16. The body is considered fairly accurate according to most
authorities. The under side and underframe is where I am hung up as I have to
build a completely scratch underframe AND add the Evans Loader chain cylinders
which are visible below the side sills. These impacted the location of the
brake gear components attached to the underframe and underside.
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Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes
It’s not just the model RR crowd am sure it’s true across the model airplane, ships and armor as well. I’m on a model armor web site and about once a month a member posts a group of kits for sale. You have to, some model RRers changing to larger gauges due to eye sight and dexterity issues.
-- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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Re: New kits from Yarmouth Model Works
brianleppert@att.net
D&RGW stock car #39210 is on display at the Depot Park Museum in Sonoma, CA.
Brian Leppert Carson City, NV
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Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes
Sadly no. Steve Hile
-----Original Message-----
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Jul 16, 2022 5:15 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes WAS THE gars (Rock Island) refer kit in the presentation ever done? Bill Pardie
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Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes
ed_mines
The owner of hobbies for men in Beacon, NY told me 99% of "craftsman" model railroad car kits are never completed. I guess the more expensive a kit the less likely it was to be attempted.
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Re: UP 40' Double door automobile car
Clark Propst
Thank Rich. Glad I model a few year earlier so I’m not tempted
; ))
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: 7' wide 10' IH Youngstown door for CRP XM-4
Clark Propst
Photo taken on the MSTL (Lime Creek bridge) just south of the depot, in Mason City IA, 1961 by Soph Marty. Doug Harding
Always got the cigar...The bridge is over Willow Creek. The Winnebago River’s original name was Lime Creek...Before my time ; )) Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: UP 40' Double door automobile car
I have been working on a repaint/decal of the RTR Trix UP A-50-16. The body is considered fairly accurate according to most authorities. The under side and underframe is where I am hung up as I have to build a completely scratch underframe AND add the Evans Loader chain cylinders which are visible below the side sills. These impacted the location of the brake gear components attached to the underframe and underside.
 Decaling still in very slow progress. I am still looking for an accurate plan showing the underside brake and loader component placement. National Scale Car has this decal with white lettering and which is correct until the UP switched to all yellow lettering in 1947. These cars were probably still mostly in white and yellow in the early 1950's, my modeling period. -- Ken Adams Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude Location: About half way up Walnut Creek Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
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Re: UP 40' Double door automobile car
Jim Pattison
Richard, thanks, that is great info. I appreciate all the detail. Jim Pattison
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Remiarz
The model is a combination of two prototype cars. The roof, ends, and side sill match the GN 3000-3499 series built in 1955, while the sides, ends, and doors match the 3500-3999 series built in 1956. To correctly model the 3500-3599 series the roof needs to be changed to an overhanging diagonal panel roof and the side sills modified. The 3000-3499 series had a 15’ door opening with a 7’ and 8’ door and different rivet pattern on the sides.
There will be an article on kit-bashing the 3000-3499 series cars by Ted Fandel in an upcoming issue of the GNRHS Modelers’ Pages. Being the editor for the Modelers’ Pages I get to see the articles ahead of time, and am in the process of building one of these cars myself. I just finished the master of the left hand door yesterday. The door is pieced together from three pieces from two different Kadee 7’ Youngstown doors. The door on the right is a Kadee 8’ door. Joe Binish will make a mold of the door next week. I need to build several of these cars for my layout so additional doors will be cast.
I am also working on one of the 3500 series cars. I shortened a Branchline 50’ overhanging diagonal panel roof and cut down the side sills. I am currently detailing the underframe.
Sincerely, Rich Remiarz Vadnais Heights, MN
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Andy Carlson
This car is the Mckeen Models 40' DD box car. Diagonal panel roof, "banana taper" Dreadnaught end and twin 6' IYSD with a door post centered between the L & R doors. Those ends indicate at least a 1955 build date. This car has been discussed many times to this group. To me, it seems close to a 1955 built Great Northern car though the side sill is wrong and the roof should be an overhanging eave design.
GN 3975, one of 500 in the series of 3500-3999, all built in 1955. -Andy Carlson
From: On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
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Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes
WILLIAM PARDIE
WAS THE gars (Rock Island) refer kit in the presentation ever done?
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Bill Pardie
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Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes
Chris Barkan
Thanks Charlie for posting Steve Hile's 2018 presentation "Resin Freight Car Kits, Past, Present and Future" from the 2018 Chicagoland RPM. I had not seen that previously. It is interesting and useful for understanding how we got where we are today. There were a number of conversations at the NERPM meet last month in Springfield, MA about how 3D printing opens up whole new vistas for the hobby so it is interesting to me that that topic is shown on the last slide of Steve's presentation under "Issues". Can anyone comment on what the down side of 3D printing is vis-a-vis prototype model kit production? That technology would seem to add a tool to our collective toolbox by offering a means of generating masters for certain resin casting components and replacing others.
Chris Charlie Duckworth Jul 15 #193969
Bill This PP by Steve Hile says Martin did 100 base kits and 1,250 variations.
https://www.rpmconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/2018-1019-Steve-Hile-FOTFC-Panel-Presentation.pdf
Charlie
-- Chris Barkan Deerfield, MA
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Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 570062 (1941)
Guy Wilber
Bruce Smith wrote: “The last batch of X29s built, post 1930, were built with experimental AB brakes with a transverse mounted reservoir. When these were upgraded to the more conventional AB brakes, by and large they retained the transverse mounting.” What was a “more conventional” “AB” brake system? The PRR changed out the existing system on 925 cars due to minor changes in the control valve and the later cast steel reservoir? Seems as though the money would have been better spent towards converting “K” brakes to “AB” systems on older cars. When was that program implemented? Regards, Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada
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