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Re: Rapido GLA Hoppers

Bill Schneider
 

Hi All,

I'm going to jump in here and share this link which went out last week:

https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Rapido-News-Update--Trouble-At-The-Mill.html?soid=1101318906379&aid=0oxRc1h1JXo 

Long story short - DON'T EVER tray to update your back-end software, accounting software, order software, shipping software AND web site using outside vendors while short-staffed with much of your staff crew working from home - ALL ON THE SAME DAY! :>)

(And before all the armchair IT specialists jump in, no - we didn't have a choice...)

This has been a frustrating experience for all of us. Fortunately we are making in-roads - we're down to less than 200 e-mails at the moment - so please bear with us.

Important take-aways - your orders are not lost. We do still love you. Yes, our communication sucks right now, but we are trying and things will improve. 

Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains


Re: Rapido GLA Hoppers

Mark Rossiter
 

Dave, I understand the frustration – somewhat.  I signed up to receive emails from Rapido several years ago so I would know what they have coming down the pike.  I also like the ability to ‘vote’ on potential new projects.  They send updates at least monthly, sometimes more frequently, so the delays in shipping and the issues with the new website have been openly and honestly communicated.

 

At least we are not having missiles sent our way as is happening elsewhere in the world.

 

Mark   

 


Re: Patience was [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLA Hoppers

Charlie Vlk
 

I am struck by the occasional rant here that belies a lack of patience…

 

Many bemoan the cost of Model Railroading keeping out “youth”.   The cost of the cell phones kids have and the athletic shoes they wear shoots that one down.  That and a simple inflation calculation of then vs. now.   

 

But I fear for the future of the Hobby of Model Railroading for three reasons….

 

Increasing lack of intellectual curiosity in the general population.  Twitter and Tick Tok are not builders of common sense.  People go to libraries to get an answer and refuse to pick up a B O O K…they want it from the internet and don’t care if it has attribution…just that it is electronic and instant.

No foundation in “history” beyond social science interests.   Look at programs in libraries and universities…how many even acknowledge technical or industrial arts? 

Expectation of instant gratification in all areas of life.  Amazon has spoiled all of us…it is the modern day equivalent of the Sears Catalog and Railway Express of our great-great-grandfathers…but it has made us unreasonably impatient in all aspects of life.

 

This does not bode well for our Hobby which, while it has a rich range of skills, interests, crafts, arts, in which many can find a fit it is not a one time event….it is a lifelong hobby that one grows into and constantly finds new things to explore. 

 

Bruce Smith stated very well the nature of ALL the Model Railroad Companies….not just Rapido Trains of Canada.   “Back in the Day” Lionel, American Flyer and Marx may have had large factories and a good sized office staff.  They had full time regional sales organizations and a highly structured product distribution network and schedule.   Those days are gone.  Most of the big players in the Industry are very small operations because they rely on Chinese production facilities.   Even the few companies that do make product in North America are relatively small family-owned type shops or basement “Hobby” businesses.  Almost without exception they are in Model Trains because it is a pleasant way to make a living (most of the time)….doing something you have an interest in.

 

While Bruce starts to sound like the guy who walked both ways to school through the snow, barefoot and uphill,  he is correct.  Finding bad apples in Model Railroading is very rare…both in Customers (in 25 years in the Industry I only got one death threat!) and the Supply Chain (very few fraud artists prey on us Model Railroaders). 

 

If you can’t wait for a product to ship, scratch build it or build a resin kit like many of the people on this list do.   It is a Hobby.

Model Railroading is Fun!!


Charlie Vlk

 


Re: NWX 40' Wood Reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Arts people will tell you the there really are no “neutral” grays out there, but always having a tinge of blue, green, purple, red, etc. Mixing black and white sometimes gives you a curiously “flat” color, likely because that familiar tinge of something else is missing.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: Rapido GLA Hoppers

Brian Carlson
 

And I’ve emailed Rapido and gotten answered within 10 minutes, none of which helps Dave get his GLas. 

I have my GLa’s but I ordered thru my dealer not Rapido. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:34 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I emailed Scaletrains with an issue and got an answer and solution in about 12 hours.
Just sayin' ... Good service is never a 'web site technical problem'.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/1/2022 2:15 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:
Bruce:

Sunshine was a 20th century business and is hardly a relevant point of comparison.  There are obviously much better examples that are in business today; I don't need to name them.

And my frustration is not with the delay in receiving the order, it's with the communication.  You don't need an IT specialist for that (although there was one in the office last Tuesday -- I heard his voice).

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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Rapido GLA Hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 


I emailed Scaletrains with an issue and got an answer and solution in about 12 hours.
Just sayin' ... Good service is never a 'web site technical problem'.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/1/2022 2:15 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:
Bruce:

Sunshine was a 20th century business and is hardly a relevant point of comparison.  There are obviously much better examples that are in business today; I don't need to name them.

And my frustration is not with the delay in receiving the order, it's with the communication.  You don't need an IT specialist for that (although there was one in the office last Tuesday -- I heard his voice).

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rapido GLA Hoppers

Dave Parker
 

Bruce:

Sunshine was a 20th century business and is hardly a relevant point of comparison.  There are obviously much better examples that are in business today; I don't need to name them.

And my frustration is not with the delay in receiving the order, it's with the communication.  You don't need an IT specialist for that (although there was one in the office last Tuesday -- I heard his voice).

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Rapido GLA Hoppers

Bruce Smith
 

Dave,

 

Jason would be Jason Schron, founder, president, CEO, head babysitter, etc… of Rapido and the guy with the VIA Rail passenger car in his basement overlooking his layout.

 

You’ve already been told that there was a hiccup in the installation of a new computer system. These folks aren’t IT specialists, and they don’t have an IT service army at their beck and call. They are model railroaders trying to help other model railroaders while making enough money to pay the rent and buy groceries. Relax, have a beer, and your cars will be in your hands soon enough. This isn’t freaking Amazon, and if you’re expecting Amazon-like service by model railroad companies, you’re going to be continuously disappointed. In the model railroad business, these are mostly cottage industries. If a bit of delay in delivery is an issue, you would have really stressed with Sunshine  - typical order, mail only, no notice of receipt until your check was cashed, usually around 5 to 6 MONTHS after receipt, followed by a package at your door within another month. No tracking, not notices, nada. You just had to wait. AND WE WERE HAPPY TO GET IT! <SMH>

 

Sincerely,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Dave Parker via groups.io" <spottab@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 11:13 AM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido GLA Hoppers

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Mark:

I am less sympathetic given the industry norms in e-commerce these days.  I don't know who Jason is but, in terms of communication from Rapido, my experience has been the opposite.

The GLa models look nice, but I am starting to wonder if they will be worth the frustration should I ever receive them.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Rapido GLA Hoppers

Dave Parker
 

Mark:

I am less sympathetic given the industry norms in e-commerce these days.  I don't know who Jason is but, in terms of communication from Rapido, my experience has been the opposite.

The GLa models look nice, but I am starting to wonder if they will be worth the frustration should I ever receive them.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Westerfield B&O O-27A gondola

Bruce Smith
 

Claus,


Less than carload amounts for custom use, typically. Small foundries or plants could handle the container, while not set up to handle an entire car, dumped between the rails. Prior to containers, these plants may have received bagged coke, or coke in gondola that had to be shoveled out of the car.

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, February 28, 2022 at 1:14 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Westerfield B&O O-27A gondola

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

Hi Elden and List Members,

 

Elden, I am a little curious...

 

Why ship coke in containers at all? As opposed to simply filling a hopper or gon?

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

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Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Westerfield B&O O-27A gondola

 

Nice job, Tim!

 

I love the container cars, and the varied weathering they got.  Very convincing!

 

There were various container cars that were in semi-captive service around Pgh that mostly transported coke to foundries near and far.  I saw them often.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 1:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Westerfield B&O O-27A gondola

 

Years ago I was very attracted to a Walthers "O-27" (obviously not as accurate as a Westerfield) but Walthers also made some really nice coke bins lettered for the B&O, so... :-) The weathering was done entirely with pigment powders and iso-p alcohol washes. Some carbon black washes to dirty up those coke bins.

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Nice job, Paul!  Love the weathering.

Elden Gatwood

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Paul Doggett via groups.io

Hi Guys 

 I have just completed a Westerfield B&O O-27A drop end gondola


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: ACL Boxcar With Banner

Eric Hansmann
 

Rob,

IIRC, I bought the Red Caboose roof and running board castings from Andy Carlson a couple of years ago.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



Thanks for this info Al, and to Tim and Eric on the detail changes.

Past kitbashes of the Accurail car have shown me that removing the roof by cutting under the bottom edge of the top plate/angle reduces the Accurail car height several inches without damaging the diagonal bracing too much.    Maybe imperfect for that 8’6” interior but noticeable.   

Are the Red Caboose roof castings available anywhere?  Or is it build your own?

Also thinking about modification of the door.   

Rob  

On Feb 28, 2022, at 2:00 AM, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

That's an O-16 (ACL 47000-50699), only single-sheathed class ACL had until the AB&C merger ('45). It looks a lot like an Accurail model except it's six inches lower (8'6" IH vs 9'0").

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] EJ&E boxcars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Tim!

 

I don’t have my data at hand, but suspect you are right.  I have a USS products catalog for that timeframe (somewhere around here), and recall tinplate/canstock as a major product of Gary Works (IIRC).

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 4:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] EJ&E boxcars

 

Elden, I can tell you that they came onto the EJ&E roster after 1965! They probably
are ex-B&LE as you suggested. I think they were primarily for handling "tinplate" coils
mostly used for making cans.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/28/2022 2:35 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

 

Can anyone tell me more info on the EJ&E box cars attached?

 

They are obviously ex-B&LE, but is there known history on these cars?  Any idea when the channel stiffener was added?

 

Swapping around box cars on USS-related roads happened a great deal, and this histories of URR of Pittsburgh, EJ&E, B&LE, etc., are very convoluted.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden

Attachments:

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Stuff for sale. See attached list.

John Barry
 

Jared,

Are these still available?

4 MDC black plastic Santa Fe 12,000 gallon tender shells $20.00

1 Walthers tank car loading rack $10.00

2 Central Valley #1600 fences and ladders $7.00

2 Walthers piping kits #3105 one with a few missing parts  $10.00

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Saturday, February 12, 2022, 03:29:15 PM EST, Jared Harper <harperandbrown@...> wrote:




Re: CMO Fowler boxcar

Benjamin Scanlon
 

There was/is a TT scale Fowler boxcar offered following D&RGW prototype, so I looked into this years ago in the hope of finding examples of where these cars might have been used into the 60s. (It was one of only three or four decent boxcars in the scale.) 

I didn't find many examples of cars that lasted beyond the mid 1950s. McCloud River had one!! Rock Island had a sort of 'modified' Fowler design (B-2 ?) with pressed steel ends that lasted longer.  A whole side discussion into 'Fowler clones' emanated from it, but I don't recall the outcome, was above my pay grade. 
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Ben Scanlon
Tottenham, England


Re: CMO Fowler boxcar

Jack Mullen
 

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 09:16 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
However, looking at C&NW box cars in 1955 in the same cubic foot range as the
Fowlers, there are a LOT of such cars. Like a thousand or more. Whether any or all
of them were also Fowlers, only you C&NW experts would know. :-)
Tim,
You must be looking at a volume range that's a bit too broad. The Fowlers are 2800 cuft or a shade less, and stand out with 40'0" IL and 8'0" IH. I suspect you're picking up the 8'7" IH near copies of the ss USRA design, which are around 2900 cuft. 
From Jan 1954 ORER, the Fowlers are:
100000-104998 even, 8
109000-109998 even, 3
121000-124998 even, 12
137200-141198 even,  7
CMO 31200-34198 even, 7

Not Fowlers, but perhaps of interest are the other survivors of pre-USRA boxcars:

15880, "Box, Trap". the last of the LCL shuttle cars with the big X on the door, that get discussed here occasionally.

126730-137022 even, 6 cars.  These were 40' stl underframe ds boxcars, built 1912-13, the immediate predecessors of the Fowlers. A fairly large and significant class, but obscure compared to the Fowlers.

I doubt any of the Fowlers received AB brakes, and the small numbers don't suggest otherwise. But if anybody has contrary evidence, I'd love to know.

Jack Mullen
 


Re: NWX 40' Wood Reefers

Fred Jansz
 

George,
Ran your picture through Photoshop, which removed some of the blue haze.
Looks rather natural to me now (who am I....) with 'acceptable' blacks-grays-whites.
Hope this helps.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: NWX 40' Wood Reefers

Jack Mullen
 

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 06:01 AM, George Corral wrote:
Since I don't own a copy of Gene Green's Refrigerator Car book, I'm asking if anyone knows what shade of gray these cars were painted and what acrylic paint best matches this shade.
George, I don't think the shade of gray has been "officially" matched, but from color photos, a medium neutral  or slightly cool gray.  Your photo seems to be a fair representation of new paint, though perhaps shifted somewhat toward blue.  But this is when new; the photo of 5019 was taken about 6 months after repainting.  Photos taken a few years after painting consistently show a lighter gray, so apparently the color faded significantly. Black and white photos with multiple NWX cars show different tones between cars, so I wouldn't obsess about the exact shade.

Since NWX comprised the principal fleet of gray reefers, the NWX color is the likely prototype for "reefer gray" Floquil and other model paints, fwiw.  

Sorry, can't help with an acrylic match, but thanks to naval and aircraft modelers, there are a lot of grays available out of the bottle. Or white plus some black, maybe what the original was.

Jack Mullen


Rapido’s Santa Fe Rr-56 Mechanical Reefer Is Just Around The Bend

Bob Chaparro
 
Edited

Rapido’s Santa Fe Rr-56 Mechanical Reefer Is Just Around The Bend

According to Rapido’s website, this highly detailed HO scale model is in production and is scheduled for release in the second quarter of this year.

(Hopefully, we won’t have to seize a container ship in Los Angeles Harbor like a bunch of Somali pirates to get one.)

The prototype cars first appeared in 1955. Even today some of these cars serve on the BNSF as buffer cars and M-O-W cars, a role they also had on the Santa Fe.

These cars overlap the ice bunker refrigerator car era by twenty years and these mechanical reefers could be seen trains mixed in with the ice bunker cars.

Rapido ultimately will offer the Rr-60 and Rr-61 classes as well. Basically, all three classes are visually identical from the outside. 

Santa Fe eventually converted many of these cars into Class Bx-165 and Bx-202 insulated boxcars.

The car:

https://rapidotrains.com/ho-scale.html?cat=1114&p=6

I have no financial connection to Rapido Trains although I was involved in their project.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: EJ&E boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 


almost brand new

On 2/28/2022 8:00 PM, Robert Ellis wrote:
No, sir. The Sunshine minikit represents 300 cars built new in June of 1941 by AC&F. They were 6" taller, and had 8 foot doors.  Bob Ellis. 

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 19:21 Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst=q.com@groups.io> wrote:

Is this car the Sunshine Naperville mini-kit?

Clark



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NWX 40' Wood Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

George, on 5/11/2012 Bill Welch posted a long message discussing the
modeling of BRE/FGE/WFE reefers with regard to the Accurail model.

Dennis could say, but I seem to recall Dennis saying he based the car on
a prototype BREX reefer - and the model can be kitbashed various ways
to model other prototypes as well.

Bill's post should be in the STMFC message archive on groups.io

Tim O'Connor

P.S. I have Branchline kit #1217 which is a 1956 repaint of NWX 70152
and this kit will be offered for sale. It is in the yellow & green paint scheme.




On 2/28/2022 7:58 PM, George Corral wrote:
Tim,
I am aware that Branchline made kits of both the early version (1215) and late version (1216) of the NWX cars.  Unfortunately, both versions are very scarce these days.  However, I was not aware of what prototype was used for the Accurail car. 

I would be very interested to know what prototype was used for the Accurail 4800 series . 

I will use it as a stand-in until I can find a Branchline late version, hence, the reason I wanted to know what shade gray was used for the sides.

Cheers,

George
Just north of the Clearwater Car Shops

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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