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Re: SP 36' Harriman stock car

ed_mines
 

S-40-10


Thanks to all who replied.


I found a good picture on Google.


Ed Mines


Re: Kadee "Modern" Brake Wheel Question

Bill Welch
 

I have one set that will go on my SP G50-15 GS Gon. As I said previously the flow of these parts has dreied to a trickle.

Bill Welch


Re: Kadee "Modern" Brake Wheel Question

 

Bill, if you have any of the IM ART reefer kits, you have at least a set of the Equipco parts. Depending on paint job, you could have 2. The ART kits have an extra sprue with specific parts and hand brake done just for those cars. That leaves extra hand brake parts. I believe this applies to both the ART R-40-10 clone cars and the later horizontal seam cars done by the Mop Society / Amarillo group.

The ART cars use a Universal 2050 gear with an M 1704 malleable ( cast ) wheel, the XL wheel.

Dan Smith


Re: steam era boxcars for sale

Jared Harper
 



Please send me your list.

Jared Harper
harperandbrown@...

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I have twenty HO steam era boxcars that I want to sell. All were acquired for my circa 1953 layout. All are plastic, a few r-t-r, most built up kits, all have metal wheels(JB or Kadee) and Kadee couplers, all in original boxes, Red Caboose, IMWX, Intermountain, Branchline, Atlas, Yesteryear, DesPlaines, list available by e-mail mguill1224 "at" aol.com, Would like to sell all twenty for $225 postpaid. There is nothing wrong with any of these cars - I simply have too many.  Hugh T Guillaume


Re: Kadee "Modern" Brake Wheel Question

Bill Welch
 

Thank you Dan for your very thorough answer. As regards getting the IM and RC parts through Andy Carlson, parts are not flowing from them now like they did in the past.

Bill Welch


Re: DRAFT Cocoa Beach Dining Directory

Owen Thorne - owen at udel.edu
 

We really like a little upscale place in Cocoa called Cafe Margaux Margaux.com Cafe Margaux

Delicious, creative, and while a bit more expensive, worth every penny. In downtown Cocoa village fifteen minutes from the Bash-On-the-Beach hotel.

Recommended by Owen Thorne, a happy, hungry freight car modeler


Re: Kadee "Modern" Brake Wheel Question

 

Bill,

I will answer your second part first.

The Rapido gear and wheel from the GATC reefer they did represents an Equipco 3160 gear with an E-369 early version wheel. It is OK but not great. The gear and wheel from the IM R-40-10 reefer is the same gear / wheel combination and with just a small amount of effort, there wheel is better. A little flashing that needs to be removed and the IM wheel looks very good. The 3160 gear is also OK, better than Rapido but not the best. That one would be the 3160 gear that came in the RC PFE R-30-12-9 kit ( the tall one ). Really very good. The RC car used the second style E-369 wheel. Done OK but the KD version of this second style wheel is superb. I have other comments on the KD Equipco hand brakes but I will leave that for another time.

You should be able to get the IM Equipco parts and maybe even the RC ones through Andy and at a much better price.

The modern forged ( stamped ) wheels that the KD modern version represents began to be used more commonly starting about 1955. I'm just going by memory here and would need to go into my notes for closer dates. Maybe Gene could chime in here. The change occurred gradually and varied a lot depending on manufacturer. Universal was the first to use a forged ( stamped ) wheel and that was in 1949. There wheel is visually different as it has the spokes radiating out at an angle. Unique and Universal used this style going forward. I have samples of all the modern wheels but I don't really count them as part of my collection or have much interest in them as they are BORING. Except for the Universal.

Bill, I hope this info will be useful.

Dan Smith


steam era boxcars for sale

 

I have twenty HO steam era boxcars that I want to sell. All were acquired for my circa 1953 layout. All are plastic, a few r-t-r, most built up kits, all have metal wheels(JB or Kadee) and Kadee couplers, all in original boxes, Red Caboose, IMWX, Intermountain, Branchline, Atlas, Yesteryear, DesPlaines, list available by e-mail mguill1224 "at" aol.com, Would like to sell all twenty for $225 postpaid. There is nothing wrong with any of these cars - I simply have too many.  Hugh T Guillaume


Kadee "Modern" Brake Wheel Question

Bill Welch
 

While searching on eBay for some more Kadee Brake Wheels, I noticed there was a series listed as Part #'s 2025/3025/4025 Modern Brake Wheel


I am aware that this represents the now standard brake wheel but does it represent a type or design good for Our pre-1960 Era also?


Also while looking in vain for some Rapido 102052 HO Equipco Brake Wheel & Housing parts on the Internet Trains website I noticed they are showing several stock numbers for the HO Rapido 40-foot Double Sheathed NP boxcar.


One vender on eBay is charging an 100% markup for their Brake Wheel. Anyone know where these parts can be found as last word Rapido does not have any currently?


Thank you

Bill Welch



 


Re: Ratios

Bruce Smith
 

Armand,


Not exactly what you are asking... but pretty close.  In the archives of this very list is an Excel file (link below) with the number of single sheathed boxcars in a series of years from 1945-1959, provided by Ray Breyer.  Given that double sheathed cars were pretty rare by this time, this is pretty close.

All Single Sheathed Boxcars, 1945-1959 (Ray Breyer).xls

It lists the ratios in 1945, 1950, 1951, 1955 and 1959.  

Those numbers are 32%, 28%, 26%, 17% and 10%.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


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Is anyone aware of a study giving the ratio of wooden to steel boxcars by decades? Armand Premo



Re: Ratios

Aley, Jeff A
 

Oh, for that matter, several of the ORER spreadsheets call out box cars as steel vs wood.  Did Larry Osterreich (sp?) do one of these?

 

-Jeff

 

 

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I think John Nehrich published this either in one of his NEB&W books or in one of his magazine articles in MR.  I’m not sure if that’s too vague to be of help, but at least it’s a starting place.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

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Is there an available source that has the ratios of wood to steel boxcars by decade?Armand Premo


Re: Ratios

Aley, Jeff A
 

I think John Nehrich published this either in one of his NEB&W books or in one of his magazine articles in MR.  I’m not sure if that’s too vague to be of help, but at least it’s a starting place.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

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Is there an available source that has the ratios of wood to steel boxcars by decade?Armand Premo


Ratios

Armand Premo
 

Is anyone aware of a study giving the ratio of wooden to steel boxcars by decades? Armand Premo


Re: New Article About Boxcar Roofs. . .

water.kresse@...
 

My draft put into a joint C&O/N&W/VGN "Battleship Gons" book never got finished because of never rationalized "discussions" over Modeler's-slang and industry engineering terminology, like class 100-ton, being 90 or 91-ton capacity cars, or class being H8 for another railroad, etc. . . . and prototype being the full-sized car that their scale model was based on, versus prototype also being a demonstrator/test car for a following full series build, etc..

Al Kresse


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Hurray!!! Tony you are absolutely correct in that we should use the correct terminology as put forth in the Car Builders Cyclopedia in our correspondence. This includes magazines and other publications. My background includes freight car engineering for a major RR and I am often confused by the names of car parts referred to in hobby publications.

Ed Mims
Jacksonville, FL


Re: New Article About Boxcar Roofs. . .

Ed Mims
 

Hurray!!! Tony you are absolutely correct in that we should use the correct terminology as put forth in the Car Builders Cyclopedia in our correspondence. This includes magazines and other publications. My background includes freight car engineering for a major RR and I am often confused by the names of car parts referred to in hobby publications.

Ed Mims
Jacksonville, FL


Ratios

Armand Premo
 

Is there an available source that has the ratios of wood to steel boxcars by decade?Armand Premo


Re: New Article About Boxcar Roofs. . .

Tony Thompson
 

David Bott wrote:

 
Wouldn’t it be better to stick with industry use, even if that was not uniform? 

       I agree. The _Car Builders' Cyc_ volumes helpfully contain a multi-page glossary of terms. They are effectively industry standard. Let's use them. If we all choose our own favorite term or nickname or shortcut, accuracy can suffer, and we depart from actual railroad engineering usage. This is not so important in conversation, where we may understand each other and can request clarification, but I think it vital in written descriptions. That's my two cents for today.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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DRAFT Cocoa Beach Dining Directory

Bill Welch
 

Here is the link to the DRAFT of the CCB Dining List for those attending Prototype Rails. It still has rough edges—Jeff & Bruce need to agree how far Roberto's is from the hotel for example—and other venues would be helped with personal descriptions but it is a good start. Please send revisions and additional venues with descriptions before Dec. 15 to: fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com

DRAFT CCB Dining List DRAFT.pdf


Thank you!

Bill Welch



Re: Branchline 40-foot boxcar w/6-ft door OPENING & 7-ft doors

Bill Welch
 

Andy Carlson has been my source for both the IMWX/Red Caboose roofs and Dan Hall's doors. He is on this list too.

Bill Welch


Re: Branchline 40-foot boxcar w/6-ft door OPENING & 7-ft doors

Fred Jansz
 

Hi Group, does anyone have a set of spare 7' doors for these cars? I have 6 Branchline WP20551-20800 cars waiting to be assembled, painted & letered however, one's missing it's 7' doors.... Thanks for checking.
best regards,
Fred Jansz, fred@...

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