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Re: Box car info

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The nearest ORER that I have may be July 1966.  It shows these two cars, but does not list any “special doors.”

 

 

October 1968 looks the same.  They are not in the FtDDM&S page for 1954.  Perhaps someone will have an intervening ORER to get closer to the date.  Is it possible that these special doors would not be so indicated in the ORER?

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 6:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Box car info

 

Agreed on the 100 ton cars. Dumb on my part. I did describe the cars used.

Of course, what's important are the doors. Anyone know anything about them? Or how they would be installed on a car?

Thanks,


Re: Another Question On Tools

Scott H. Haycock
 

I have a similar tool that came with a set of 4 chucks, like a pin vise, each chuck has a set screw to attach it to the shaft, and it's own screw-on tightening tube for small bits.

If you mic the shaft and google that, plus drill chucks,  you may find something that will work.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 12/08/2021 5:45 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:




Earlier this year I bought an electric rotary tool which I believe was recommended on this list (I often do this).  I only took a close look at it this morning.  The item has a silver barrel about seven inches long.  There is a speed regulator on the cord and it runs very quietly.  There is no manufacturer or other marking on the item.  It runs very smoothly and was made in China (What isn't).  On the shafts a smooth brass fitting about 3/8 " in diameter and 5/8"  in length.  I don t see how you could mount any type of cutting tool or drill to this.

Help please :

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Re: paint bottle seals

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Thanks Nelson and everyone else who replied to this topic - I have learned something today!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals

After sending the email below, I remembered another mixing trick I learned for mixing small volumes of reagents in the laboratory where shaking or rapid mechanical stirring could alter the solution/suspension, e.g. denature protein. After adding the ingredients, swirl the bottle  by hand while it is resting on the benchtop. Move your hand in a circular manner at about 2-3 revolutions per second. The diameter of the circle should be about 2-3 in. for small bottle like our paint bottles. Swirl fast enough to mix, but not so fast that you slosh out the contents. I frequently use this mixing method while hand painting from an open bottle.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 12:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals

 

If there is little pigment sediment, I use either an applicator stick or a ‘popsicle’ stick to stir (depends on the amount of sediment, bigger stick for more sediment), then I transfer paint with a disposable plastic pipette. I mix the paint with the pipette by stirring, then draw up some paint and gently expel it back into the bottle a few times before transferring it to a dilution bottle with thinner already added. If you squirt hard, you will make a mess. For small touch-up jobs, I mix the dilution in the airbrush cup.  If there’s a lot of sediment, I use a battery powered paint stirrer from Micro Mark to break up the clumps, then proceed with the above routine.

 

I store paint bottles in the lids of printer paper boxes sitting on the floor under the layout. Eventually, I’ll build a wall rack for paint bottle storage.

 

I buy applicator sticks, ‘popsicle’ sticks, and pipettes through a lab supply company, and I order in bulk – by thousand units for each product. One company I’ve used is Ted Pella.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 10:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals

 

Hi Nelson and List Members,

 

Nelson wrote: "get the same effect by wiping the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean so the gasket seals"

 

This is exactly the approach I use, and it works great. I have had opened paint containers last more than a decade doing this.

 

Nelson further wrote: "The cap will stay clean if you don’t tip or shake the bottle to mix the paint"

 

I always shake the bottle to mix the paint, and then always have to wipe the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean. So Nelson, how exactly do you mix your paint? Inquiring minds want to know...

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 


Re: Another Question On Tools

Joseph
 

My two( bought one for a buddy) came with a chuck is a little yellow plastic box about 1” cube.  I later glued the chuck to that brass shaft.   I got tired of it slipping off…
Joe Binish

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 6:45 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


Earlier this year I bought an electric rotary tool which I believe was recommended on this list (I often do this).  I only took a close look at it this morning.  The item has a silver barrel about seven inches long.  There is a speed regulator on the cord and it runs very quietly.  There is no manufacturer or other marking on the item.  It runs very smoothly and was made in China (What isn't).  On the shafts a smooth brass fitting about 3/8 " in diameter and 5/8"  in length.  I don t see how you could mount any type of cutting tool or drill to this.

Help please :

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Another Question On Tools

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



Earlier this year I bought an electric rotary tool which I believe was recommended on this list (I often do this).  I only took a close look at it this morning.  The item has a silver barrel about seven inches long.  There is a speed regulator on the cord and it runs very quietly.  There is no manufacturer or other marking on the item.  It runs very smoothly and was made in China (What isn't).  On the shafts a smooth brass fitting about 3/8 " in diameter and 5/8"  in length.  I don t see how you could mount any type of cutting tool or drill to this.

Help please :

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Re: Box car info

Clark Propst
 

Agreed on the 100 ton cars. Dumb on my part. I did describe the cars used.

Of course, what's important are the doors. Anyone know anything about them? Or how they would be installed on a car?

Thanks,


Re: paint bottle seals

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

One of the most used tools in my toolbox ips the battery operated mixer that Micro Mark sells.  There was  a Midel Railroader article listing essential tools and this was high on the list.

Another effective mixer is an ultrasonic cleaner.  I don't seem to see bubbles with either of the above.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Gary McMills <santafe@...>
Date: 12/8/21 1:30 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Cc: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals

Hi All,

I never shake my paints. I stir the paint with a wooden sandwich stick. I bought a pack of 1000 for $4.00 at the local Hobby Lobby. Shaking paint introduces air bubbles into the paint. Also by stirring I don't get any paint on the inside of the cap.

Gary McMills


On 2021-12-08 10:30, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi Nelson and List Members,
 
Nelson wrote: "get the same effect by wiping the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean so the gasket seals"
 
This is exactly the approach I use, and it works great. I have had opened paint containers last more than a decade doing this.
 
Nelson further wrote: "The cap will stay clean if you don't tip or shake the bottle to mix the paint"
 
I always shake the bottle to mix the paint, and then always have to wipe the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean. So Nelson, how exactly do you mix your paint? Inquiring minds want to know...
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals
 

Vaseline is petroleum based, so some of its components may be soluble in organic solvent based paints. I don't know how extensive the contamination may be, but why take the risk? Besides, Vaseline is messy to work with, and you get the same effect by wiping the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean so the gasket seals. The cap will stay clean if you don't tip or shake the bottle to mix the paint.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jared Harper
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 11:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals

 

I coat the jar lid threads with Vaseline.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

 


Re: paint bottle seals

Gary McMills
 

Hi All,

I never shake my paints. I stir the paint with a wooden sandwich stick. I bought a pack of 1000 for $4.00 at the local Hobby Lobby. Shaking paint introduces air bubbles into the paint. Also by stirring I don't get any paint on the inside of the cap.

Gary McMills


On 2021-12-08 10:30, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi Nelson and List Members,
 
Nelson wrote: "get the same effect by wiping the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean so the gasket seals"
 
This is exactly the approach I use, and it works great. I have had opened paint containers last more than a decade doing this.
 
Nelson further wrote: "The cap will stay clean if you don't tip or shake the bottle to mix the paint"
 
I always shake the bottle to mix the paint, and then always have to wipe the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean. So Nelson, how exactly do you mix your paint? Inquiring minds want to know...
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals
 

Vaseline is petroleum based, so some of its components may be soluble in organic solvent based paints. I don't know how extensive the contamination may be, but why take the risk? Besides, Vaseline is messy to work with, and you get the same effect by wiping the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean so the gasket seals. The cap will stay clean if you don't tip or shake the bottle to mix the paint.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jared Harper
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 11:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals

 

I coat the jar lid threads with Vaseline.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

 


Re: 3D Printing Trucks?

Jim Betz
 

Josh,
  Thanks!  This is exactly the kind of actual experience I was looking for.  - Jim in PNW


Re: paint bottle seals

Nelson Moyer
 

After sending the email below, I remembered another mixing trick I learned for mixing small volumes of reagents in the laboratory where shaking or rapid mechanical stirring could alter the solution/suspension, e.g. denature protein. After adding the ingredients, swirl the bottle  by hand while it is resting on the benchtop. Move your hand in a circular manner at about 2-3 revolutions per second. The diameter of the circle should be about 2-3 in. for small bottle like our paint bottles. Swirl fast enough to mix, but not so fast that you slosh out the contents. I frequently use this mixing method while hand painting from an open bottle.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 12:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals

 

If there is little pigment sediment, I use either an applicator stick or a ‘popsicle’ stick to stir (depends on the amount of sediment, bigger stick for more sediment), then I transfer paint with a disposable plastic pipette. I mix the paint with the pipette by stirring, then draw up some paint and gently expel it back into the bottle a few times before transferring it to a dilution bottle with thinner already added. If you squirt hard, you will make a mess. For small touch-up jobs, I mix the dilution in the airbrush cup.  If there’s a lot of sediment, I use a battery powered paint stirrer from Micro Mark to break up the clumps, then proceed with the above routine.

 

I store paint bottles in the lids of printer paper boxes sitting on the floor under the layout. Eventually, I’ll build a wall rack for paint bottle storage.

 

I buy applicator sticks, ‘popsicle’ sticks, and pipettes through a lab supply company, and I order in bulk – by thousand units for each product. One company I’ve used is Ted Pella.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 10:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals

 

Hi Nelson and List Members,

 

Nelson wrote: "get the same effect by wiping the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean so the gasket seals"

 

This is exactly the approach I use, and it works great. I have had opened paint containers last more than a decade doing this.

 

Nelson further wrote: "The cap will stay clean if you don’t tip or shake the bottle to mix the paint"

 

I always shake the bottle to mix the paint, and then always have to wipe the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean. So Nelson, how exactly do you mix your paint? Inquiring minds want to know...

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 


Re: paint bottle seals

Nelson Moyer
 

If there is little pigment sediment, I use either an applicator stick or a ‘popsicle’ stick to stir (depends on the amount of sediment, bigger stick for more sediment), then I transfer paint with a disposable plastic pipette. I mix the paint with the pipette by stirring, then draw up some paint and gently expel it back into the bottle a few times before transferring it to a dilution bottle with thinner already added. If you squirt hard, you will make a mess. For small touch-up jobs, I mix the dilution in the airbrush cup.  If there’s a lot of sediment, I use a battery powered paint stirrer from Micro Mark to break up the clumps, then proceed with the above routine.

 

I store paint bottles in the lids of printer paper boxes sitting on the floor under the layout. Eventually, I’ll build a wall rack for paint bottle storage.

 

I buy applicator sticks, ‘popsicle’ sticks, and pipettes through a lab supply company, and I order in bulk – by thousand units for each product. One company I’ve used is Ted Pella.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 10:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals

 

Hi Nelson and List Members,

 

Nelson wrote: "get the same effect by wiping the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean so the gasket seals"

 

This is exactly the approach I use, and it works great. I have had opened paint containers last more than a decade doing this.

 

Nelson further wrote: "The cap will stay clean if you don’t tip or shake the bottle to mix the paint"

 

I always shake the bottle to mix the paint, and then always have to wipe the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean. So Nelson, how exactly do you mix your paint? Inquiring minds want to know...

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 


Re: Box car info

Benjamin Hom
 

Ken Adams wrote:
"The link to the steamerafreightcars.com site does not work."

Looks like a few characters crept into the end of the URL.  Reposting:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/mod37aarmain.html

Navigating - go to the home page at http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/ , click on "Prototype" on the menu at left, then "Freight Car Prototypes", then find and click on the link for "Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar List".


Ben Hom


Re: Photos: Unloading A Fire Truck (1954)

 

The Seagrave plant was hard alongside the C&O in Columbus, Ohio’s old south end. The factory building still exists and after a period of non-use, it’s being repurposed partly as an artist’s workshop. 

(39.9204929, -82.9949239)

Thanks for the photos. 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

Sent from my mobile

On Dec 6, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photos: Unloading A Fire Truck (1954)

Photos from the Montana Memory Project:

https://mtmemory.recollectcms.com/assets/display/83679-max

https://mtmemory.recollectcms.com/assets/display/83582-max

https://mtmemory.recollectcms.com/assets/display/83655-max

C&O end-door boxcar at Missoula, MT.

First photo is a good interior shot of the car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: paint bottle seals

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Nelson and List Members,
 
Nelson wrote: "get the same effect by wiping the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean so the gasket seals"
 
This is exactly the approach I use, and it works great. I have had opened paint containers last more than a decade doing this.
 
Nelson further wrote: "The cap will stay clean if you don’t tip or shake the bottle to mix the paint"
 
I always shake the bottle to mix the paint, and then always have to wipe the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean. So Nelson, how exactly do you mix your paint? Inquiring minds want to know...
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals

Vaseline is petroleum based, so some of its components may be soluble in organic solvent based paints. I don’t know how extensive the contamination may be, but why take the risk? Besides, Vaseline is messy to work with, and you get the same effect by wiping the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean so the gasket seals. The cap will stay clean if you don’t tip or shake the bottle to mix the paint.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jared Harper
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 11:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals

 

I coat the jar lid threads with Vaseline.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

 


Re: Box car info

Ken Adams
 

Ben 
The link to the steamerafreightcars.com site does not work.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Box car info

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst wrote:
"A friend is interested in doing models of FtDDM&S freight cars." 

This a bit of a confusing ask, as one of the details doesn't make sense, even for the FtD.


"Sometime in the mid-50s they bought two 100 ton box cars..."

100-ton boxcars would have been a rarity, likely non-existent, in the 1950s.


"...from the Rock Island 146215 and 146278. I assume these cars are 37 mod, 40', 10'6" IH with 6' doors. The FtD renumbered them 13000 - 13001 and added 20' sta[ggered] doors from the Darby Corp in KC. For special gypsum loading. Anyone have any info on these cars, photos?"

RI 146000-146749, Modified 1937 AAR boxcars built PSC 11-40.  See Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet for details.
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/mod37aarmain.html 


Ben Hom


Box car info

Clark Propst
 

A friend is interested in doing models of FtDDM&S freight cars. Sometime in the mid-50s they bought two 100 ton box cars from the Rock Island 146215 and 146278. I assume these cars are 37 mod, 40', 10'6" IH with 6' doors. The FtD L renumbered them 13000 - 13001 and added 20' staged doors from the Darby Corp in KC. For special gypsum loading. Anyone have any info on these cars, photos?
My friend would really appreciate it. Of course I'd have to build the thing...
Clark Propst


Re: paint bottle seals

Nelson Moyer
 

Vaseline is petroleum based, so some of its components may be soluble in organic solvent based paints. I don’t know how extensive the contamination may be, but why take the risk? Besides, Vaseline is messy to work with, and you get the same effect by wiping the bottle threads and the inside of the cap with lacquer thinner to keep them clean so the gasket seals. The cap will stay clean if you don’t tip or shake the bottle to mix the paint.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jared Harper
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 11:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] paint bottle seals

 

I coat the jar lid threads with Vaseline.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

 


Re: paint bottle seals

Mark Vinski
 

I cut new gaskets from metal foil backed paper packets such as those used for eye glass wipes or the alcohol wipes used in prepping for injections.

Mark Vinski


Re: paint bottle seals

Jared Harper
 

I coat the jar lid threads with Vaseline.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

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