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Re: Sp Box Car 83627

Todd Sullivan
 

I have the same or a similar kit with the same stencil.  My thought has been that the car was assigned to carry petroleum products in barrels, and that the producer was located in Bakersfield.  When clerking in Portland, OR in the1960s, I saw a few SP 50ft DD boxcars with similar stencils.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Sp Box Car 83627

Jay Styron
 

I am doing some research at the club to find out what the origin of this stencil was. The other night, no one knew. Will advise.
-Jay Styron


Re: UP HK-50-3 Ballast Hopper

Dick Harley
 


FWIW, The California State RR Museum Library has the General Design drawing for that class.

https://csrm.andornot.com/en/permalink/techdrawing32274


Tim is right about the trucks.

Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA


Re: Temiskaming and Northern Ontario Railway boxcars

John Barry
 

Bruce,

The TEM's Railway Accounting Code was 754 and 33 of their 149 stations had agents and their remainder were prepay only for receiving freight.  At Trout Mills Ont. Wm. Milne & Sons was the only consignee that could receive carload freight, others were LCL only.  Dome, Ont was a private siding only.  Chesterville Larder Lake Gold Mines and Kerr-Addison Gold Mine in Cheminis as well as Broulan Porcupine Mines, Ltd and Pamour Mines in Pamour could receive collect shipments when the other consignees at those stations had to be pre-paid. Hallnor mines was the only consignee that could receive freight at Hallnor.  And Englehart North,  Ont., althugh a manned station, was a junction point and no freight was handled there whatsoever.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Monday, January 24, 2022, 05:52:49 PM EST, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Folks,

 

The predecessor of the Ontario Northland, the Temiskaming and Northern Ontario Railway, reporting marks TEM (and specifically called out in the ORER as not to be confused with the T&NO RR or Temiscouata Ry.)  had a modest fleet of boxcars in service in interchange service in the early 1940s. The 1943 ORER lists 212 boxcars, all 36' interior length, 8' (or 8'1") interior height and either wooden or single sheathed bodies in 4 series (2 each). These were apparently in newsprint service, often to the United States. 


I am curious to know more about the type of cars, possible models, and potential decals (There was a Clover House set of dry transfers, but I think that they were for an earlier time period).

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: Chalk Marks

John Riddell
 

CDS does not sell chalk marks.

 

John Riddell

 

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Re: Finish issues

John Barry
 

Eric,

Remember those hot, muggy days of summer when you walked out of the air conditioned house and your glasses fogged?  The same may have happened when you brought the 50 degree models into the 70+ house and they picked up condensation.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Monday, January 24, 2022, 04:46:06 PM EST, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Yes, the garage is brick. I open the garage door on days with 50+ degree temps to airbrush. I just did this with a few more models. I have a spray booth that is vented with the exhaust going out to the side of the garage. I open the door to warm the place up. It’s also easier to walk the models out to a small table on the driveway to encourage drying.

 

Tennessee can be pretty humid, but I sprayed the flat coat onto these models December 21st. It’s about the same weather here today with temps in the mid-50s and humidity at 38%. The models sit outside while I clean the airbrush and put supplies away. I move them to the dining room table to finish drying.

 

And now I wonder if the indoor humidity may have been a factor.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of William Dale
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 12:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Finish issues

 

Eric, 

     You mentioned humidity and garage in your post. Is there any chance your garage is masonry in construct? I had this same issue pop up on two
cars I was working on in the past, at the same time. I felt that high humidity was the culprit. As you know living on the east it plagues us. My home, the main part is two foot thick stone walls, I work outside, so I’m one not to run the A/C in the summer, and this was the time frame in which I did decal these cars. Now, to your credit, patience prevailed, I on the other hand was off to the grit blast cabinet and started over. Now, I should mention I use a wide variety of paints, mostly Tru-Color, a few acrylics, and Scalecoat to round it out. That said, I’m not going to point a finger at the type of paint used, more Mother Nature.

Billy


Re: UP HK-50-3 Ballast Hopper

Tony Thompson
 

Allen Montgomery wrote:

I believe I am done with the fine tuning of this 3D resin printed car. I spent yesterday adding the final under frame details that I can make out in the pictures. I know I missed a few things that are obscured by shadow in the black and white photos.
The second picture shows the amount of overhang of the wheel sets as I had to move them out to gain some room for the trucks to pivot. That was the one thing I had to change from the drawing in Terry Metcalfe's book. The final weight with hardware means I will have to add a little less than two ounces per car. I've been patiently waiting for some Tamiya primer for 3 months now and I regret I was not able to give this a coat to cut down on the resin shine and let the details pop.
Now it's time to find a decal set that will work for this car. Any suggestions?

Allen, the model looks excellent. It is almost a dead ringer for the H-70-2 class on Southern Pacific. Any chance some of the bodies will be for sale or trade?

Tony Thompson



Re: Shipping Fish In Barrels

Philip Dove
 

in the UK the brine used for preserving fish in a barrel was actually just salt and the water present in the fish turned it to brine. A good fish wife (herring gutter) could gut between 2 and 3 fish every three seconds. Salt transport presumably in freight cars and storage of salt would also be needed on a model. I think the weight of salt used was about the same as the weight of fish.

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On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 at 19:12, leakinmywaders via groups.io <leakinmywaders=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
The lake herring or cisco of the Great Lakes, Coregonus artedi, might more properly be called a whitefish.  They were brined in barrels same as Atlantic  herring, hence the common name.  They were and are larger, adults commonly 28-40 cm (11-16 inches) in length.
--
Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Re: Finish issues

Tim O'Connor
 


Instead of detergent, use Kodak Photo-Flo.


On 1/25/2022 12:39 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
Here is a question for those of you who use distilled water when applying decals.  I have spent a lifetime using water with a few drops of detergent when decaling.  If you use distilled water do you still add the detergent?

Thanks:


Bill Pardie


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [wyodivops] UP HK-50-3 Ballast Hopper

Matt Martin
 

Great looking car! Will these be available to purchase anywhere?

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:31 PM Allen Montgomery via groups.io
<sandbear75@...> wrote:

I believe I am done with the fine tuning of this 3D resin printed car. I spent yesterday adding the final under frame details that I can make out in the pictures. I know I missed a few things that are obscured by shadow in the black and white photos.
The second picture shows the amount of overhang of the wheel sets as I had to move them out to gain some room for the trucks to pivot. That was the one thing I had to change from the drawing in Terry Metcalfe's book. The final weight with hardware means I will have to add a little less than two ounces per car. I've been patiently waiting for some Tamiya primer for 3 months now and I regret I was not able to give this a coat to cut down on the resin shine and let the details pop.
Now it's time to find a decal set that will work for this car. Any suggestions?

Allen Montgomery
wyomingdivision.org


Re: UP HK-50-3 Ballast Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 


Unfortunate about the trucks, but you may have used 100 ton trucks, which have a 5-10 wheelbase.
A 50 ton truck has a 5-6 wheelbase with 33" wheels.

Tim O'Connor


On 1/25/2022 5:30 PM, Allen Montgomery via groups.io wrote:
I believe I am done with the fine tuning of this 3D resin printed car. I spent yesterday adding the final under frame details that I can make out in the pictures. I know I missed a few things that are obscured by shadow in the black and white photos.
The second picture shows the amount of overhang of the wheel sets as I had to move them out to gain some room for the trucks to pivot. That was the one thing I had to change from the drawing in Terry Metcalfe's book. The final weight with hardware means I will have to add a little less than two ounces per car. I've been patiently waiting for some Tamiya primer for 3 months now and I regret I was not able to give this a coat to cut down on the resin shine and let the details pop.
Now it's time to find a decal set that will work for this car. Any suggestions?

Allen Montgomery

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Tim O'Connor
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UP HK-50-3 Ballast Hopper

Allen Montgomery <sandbear75@...>
 

I believe I am done with the fine tuning of this 3D resin printed car. I spent yesterday adding the final under frame details that I can make out in the pictures. I know I missed a few things that are obscured by shadow in the black and white photos.
The second picture shows the amount of overhang of the wheel sets as I had to move them out to gain some room for the trucks to pivot. That was the one thing I had to change from the drawing in Terry Metcalfe's book. The final weight with hardware means I will have to add a little less than two ounces per car. I've been patiently waiting for some Tamiya primer for 3 months now and I regret I was not able to give this a coat to cut down on the resin shine and let the details pop.
Now it's time to find a decal set that will work for this car. Any suggestions?

Allen Montgomery


Re: Finish issues

O Fenton Wells
 

Yes my folks moved to lakeland in '61 and the water stunk.  I left and moved back in 1972 to Winter Haven a few miles away wasn't as bad. Lakeland is OK now but there were palaces in that state that the water was really stinky.  On fishing trips to some of the more desolate places we drank a lot of beer, we brushed our teeth with it as well.


On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:16 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Fenton, you reminded me of the sulfur water in Callahan, FL. We moved from Jacksonville to Callahan when I was in the first grade, and I had to put a clothes pin on my nose to take a bath. I couldn’t drink it out of the tap, but it was tolerable when cold, so I kept a quart jar of water in the refrigerator for drinking. We lived there three years, and I gradually got used to it, but it was never pleasant.

 

Callahan was a good railroad town, with a crossing and tower, small yard, etc. about four blocks from my house. A friend’s dad was one of the tower operators, and I got to go up into the tower to watch him line tracks and interlocking. It was mostly steam in 1949-50, and locomotives and freight cars looked entirely different from the tower. I must admit getting totally bored between trains, and I decided I wanted a career with a little more involvement. I don’t remember the railroads, probably Seaboard, maybe Southern or FEC. Another friend’s dad worked the FGE icing platform outside Jacksonville. He was the biggest, strongest man I had ever seen.

 

Thanks for the memories, well, some of them.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 12:27 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Finish issues

 

I use distilled water and no detergent. I started using distilled water while living in FL.  Water wasn't good back then, in some towns it smelled like sulfur.  Not any more.I still use distilled water.

Fenton.  



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250 Frye Rd
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Re: Chalk Marks

Barry Kenner
 

Hello Group,
Does CDS Lettering have dry transfer chalk marks available? Thanks,Barry


Re: Finish issues

 

Here in TN, it’s minerals in the water, mostly limestone. I always use distilled water. No detergent.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 12:26 PM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Finish issues

 

I use distilled water and no detergent. I started using distilled water while living in FL.  Water wasn't good back then, in some towns it smelled like sulfur.  Not any more.I still use distilled water.

Fenton.  

 

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:41 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

Here is a question for those of you who use distilled water when applying decals.  I have spent a lifetime using water with a few drops of detergent when decaling.  If you use distilled water do you still add the detergent?

 

Thanks:

 

 

Bill Pardie


 

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Finish issues

Nelson Moyer
 

Some of the new ultra-thin decals come with instructions not to use anything but water for placement. I found out why the hard way. These decals also have a tendency to curl, so you have to slide them off of the backing sheet on or very close to the final location. Using Micro Set doesn’t give you time to place them before they soften enough to distort. It pays to read the directions on those decals. Use water only until they are properly placed and the water is wicked off.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Ray
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 1:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Finish issues

 

I just use distilled water because of minerals in tap water, no soap nor Photoflo (left over from my darkroom days.)  Pretreat the car with Micro Set where decal will be going, later with Micro Sol to get it to settle in.

 

Gary Ray

Weatherford, TX

 


Re: Sp Box Car 83627

Tony Thompson
 

Jay Styron wrote:

Lester,
Don’t forget to route the car to Bakersfield when empty, as stenciled!
Nice job…
Good point, Jay! But also don’t forget what one former employee told me about such stencils: "Sure, we’d follow it if it was convenient."

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: Finish issues

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi List Members,
 
I just remember that they go on in alphabetical order - "Set" alphabetizes before "Sol"
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Finish issues

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 10:19 AM, Ken Adams wrote:
Ooops got it reversed.  Micro Set for the original decal setting and then Micro Sol for the problem cases.
I always tell myself, "Micro SET to SET the decal in place and Micro SOL to SOLve all the problems."

Dennis Storzek


Re: Finish issues

Nelson Moyer
 

Fenton, you reminded me of the sulfur water in Callahan, FL. We moved from Jacksonville to Callahan when I was in the first grade, and I had to put a clothes pin on my nose to take a bath. I couldn’t drink it out of the tap, but it was tolerable when cold, so I kept a quart jar of water in the refrigerator for drinking. We lived there three years, and I gradually got used to it, but it was never pleasant.

 

Callahan was a good railroad town, with a crossing and tower, small yard, etc. about four blocks from my house. A friend’s dad was one of the tower operators, and I got to go up into the tower to watch him line tracks and interlocking. It was mostly steam in 1949-50, and locomotives and freight cars looked entirely different from the tower. I must admit getting totally bored between trains, and I decided I wanted a career with a little more involvement. I don’t remember the railroads, probably Seaboard, maybe Southern or FEC. Another friend’s dad worked the FGE icing platform outside Jacksonville. He was the biggest, strongest man I had ever seen.

 

Thanks for the memories, well, some of them.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 12:27 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Finish issues

 

I use distilled water and no detergent. I started using distilled water while living in FL.  Water wasn't good back then, in some towns it smelled like sulfur.  Not any more.I still use distilled water.

Fenton.  


Re: Shipping Fish In Barrels

leakinmywaders
 

The lake herring or cisco of the Great Lakes, Coregonus artedi, might more properly be called a whitefish.  They were brined in barrels same as Atlantic  herring, hence the common name.  They were and are larger, adults commonly 28-40 cm (11-16 inches) in length.
--
Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

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