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U S Government Pilot Model Boxcar

Andy Carlson
 

The European USA box car left in the High Sierra Mts., which I mentioned earlier today, was told to me that it had served some time as a payroll car on a logging line in the area. That it was standard gauge was remarkable!
-Andy Carlson


On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 11:53 AM, Wallace Steinbrecher wrote:
This is speculation, but it does look like one of the series of cars that were built to European loading gauges by the Army Transportation Corps for OCONUS use.  Many were equipped with multi-gauge trucks (much like the MRS-1 locomotive).  
More to the point, they were not legal for interchange and therefore never ventured out on the North American rail system, although I vaugely recall someone reporting that a few were used on base trackage somewhere.

Dennis Storzek


Re: U S Government Pilot Model Boxcar

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 11:53 AM, Wallace Steinbrecher wrote:
This is speculation, but it does look like one of the series of cars that were built to European loading gauges by the Army Transportation Corps for OCONUS use.  Many were equipped with multi-gauge trucks (much like the MRS-1 locomotive).  
More to the point, they were not legal for interchange and therefore never ventured out on the North American rail system, although I vaugely recall someone reporting that a few were used on base trackage somewhere.

Dennis Storzek


Re: SEEKING PHOTOS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

That's the one Ken.  Right now it is the only one hiding in my library.

Thanks:

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...>
Date: 2/24/22 12:21 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTOS

Bill,

See Earl Tuson's post.

Would this information be in Train Shed Cyclopedia #3 box,  stock & refrigerator cars 1931?

Ken Montero
On 02/22/2022 9:42 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


For the real old timers who never threw anything away drawings of this car and a photo were featured in one of the early TRAIN. SHED CYCLOPEDIA series..  I feel fortunate that I have about eight issues of this and regularly refer to them.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...>
Date: 2/22/22 4:31 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTOS

Some of the photos of the Rock Island paint scheme with a drawing of the car also appear in a Mainline Modeler article about this refrigerator car. (Mainline Modeler, April 1999, starting at page 43)

That article, and a discussion of the Marketing East/Taurus Products/Trout Creek Engineering kit and defects in the MM drawing are discussed in my prior email in this group's records:
I have the instructions for that kit, if you need them.

The instructions say that the history in the instructions came from George Berisso and Prototype Modeler (without specifying any particular issue of that magazine), It said thast the cars were Rock Island nos. 67750 through 67799 were built by General American Car Company in 1924 with a 40 ton capacity, with a AAR classification of RS.

Ken Montero
On 02/22/2022 1:47 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


On 2/22/2022 1:39 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
Bill, with a number like that, it would more likely be a hopper car.  Such
as they were, the RI reefers were numbered in 6xxxx series.

Let me know if I can help.

Regards,
Steve Hile

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Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 12:01 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTOS

 I am looking for photos of a Rock Island refer in the 87900 series. Would
greatly appreciate any help.

Bill Pardie

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Can I kitbash this into a gondola that was on the road in 1955?

Brian Carlson
 

Yes. This. 

On Feb 24, 2022, at 6:23 PM, Paul Krueger <kruegerp12@...> wrote:



Of course, after I sent my email, I remembered that I saved a copy of the article. 


Kitbashing an HO scale PRR G29 gondola 
Dick Flock
RMC July 2001
page 72

He didn’t add the rivets, but that’s easier to do now. 

The ends were made from Athearn metal boxcar ends, which might be difficult to find. There may be an easier way to deal with the ends.  

Paul Krueger 
Seattle, WA


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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


U S Government Pilot Model Boxcar

Andy Carlson
 

There is a similar car which dweeled in the Portola WP museum for several years until a tiff with another group deemed the WP group to be unappreciative of the tank steam loco. Both the loco and this built-for-Europe box car went to the V&T RR in Nevada about 20 years ago.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, February 24, 2022, 11:53:46 AM PST, Wallace Steinbrecher <waltedwards06@...> wrote:


This is speculation, but it does look like one of the series of cars that were built to European loading gauges by the Army Transportation Corps for OCONUS use.  Many were equipped with multi-gauge trucks (much like the MRS-1 locomotive).  

Regards,
Wallace Steinbrecher

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 2:22 PM Bob Weston via groups.io <oandle=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Anyone have more information on this boxcar? Photo from the John W Barriger III National Railroad Library, American Car and Foundry Album.  


Cocoa Beach Photos

gary laakso
 

Railroad Model Craftsman’s March issue has 10 pictures from the recent Cocoa Beach gathering, so some cameras were allowed inside.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Can I kitbash this into a gondola that was on the road in 1955?

Paul Krueger
 

Of course, after I sent my email, I remembered that I saved a copy of the article. 


Kitbashing an HO scale PRR G29 gondola 
Dick Flock
RMC July 2001
page 72

He didn’t add the rivets, but that’s easier to do now. 

The ends were made from Athearn metal boxcar ends, which might be difficult to find. There may be an easier way to deal with the ends.  

Paul Krueger 
Seattle, WA


Re: Can I kitbash this into a gondola that was on the road in 1955?

Paul Krueger
 

I recall there was an article in one of the magazines about modifying this car into something older. Unfortunately, that’s all I remember.  

Paul Krueger 
Seattle, WA


Re: Ps-0 boxcars

Rick Naylor
 

Hi Chris Are you selling this car?


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 3:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ps-0 boxcars
 
In case anyone is wondering what the model looks like, I think these photos are the boxcar from A.W. Enterprises that inspired the original question.
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL

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Re: SEEKING PHOTOS

Kenneth Montero
 

Bill,

See Earl Tuson's post.

Would this information be in Train Shed Cyclopedia #3 box,  stock & refrigerator cars 1931?

Ken Montero

On 02/22/2022 9:42 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


For the real old timers who never threw anything away drawings of this car and a photo were featured in one of the early TRAIN. SHED CYCLOPEDIA series..  I feel fortunate that I have about eight issues of this and regularly refer to them.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...>
Date: 2/22/22 4:31 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTOS

Some of the photos of the Rock Island paint scheme with a drawing of the car also appear in a Mainline Modeler article about this refrigerator car. (Mainline Modeler, April 1999, starting at page 43)

That article, and a discussion of the Marketing East/Taurus Products/Trout Creek Engineering kit and defects in the MM drawing are discussed in my prior email in this group's records:
I have the instructions for that kit, if you need them.

The instructions say that the history in the instructions came from George Berisso and Prototype Modeler (without specifying any particular issue of that magazine), It said thast the cars were Rock Island nos. 67750 through 67799 were built by General American Car Company in 1924 with a 40 ton capacity, with a AAR classification of RS.

Ken Montero
On 02/22/2022 1:47 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


On 2/22/2022 1:39 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
Bill, with a number like that, it would more likely be a hopper car.  Such
as they were, the RI reefers were numbered in 6xxxx series.

Let me know if I can help.

Regards,
Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 12:01 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTOS

 I am looking for photos of a Rock Island refer in the 87900 series. Would
greatly appreciate any help.

Bill Pardie

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: SEEKING PHOTOS

Schleigh Mike
 

Perhaps I missed it being posted----

But the April 1960 issue of Model Railroader has a three page article by Al Kamm, Jr. whereby he scratch-builds this car of interest.  Of course, he uses the then contemporary materials and parts to do this in O-Scale.  He even does a fairly credible job on the underframe.  There is more enough for any us to do the same or better with the materials we use in this century.

Al was perhaps the granddaddy of kit-bashing showing us how in the late 1950s to build interesting models from the plastic models of that time.  He also scratch-built a few other freight cars.

Regards from Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.



On Tuesday, February 22, 2022, 09:42:15 PM EST, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


For the real old timers who never threw anything away drawings of this car and a photo were featured in one of the early TRAIN. SHED CYCLOPEDIA series..  I feel fortunate that I have about eight issues of this and regularly refer to them.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...>
Date: 2/22/22 4:31 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTOS

Some of the photos of the Rock Island paint scheme with a drawing of the car also appear in a Mainline Modeler article about this refrigerator car. (Mainline Modeler, April 1999, starting at page 43)

That article, and a discussion of the Marketing East/Taurus Products/Trout Creek Engineering kit and defects in the MM drawing are discussed in my prior email in this group's records:
I have the instructions for that kit, if you need them.

The instructions say that the history in the instructions came from George Berisso and Prototype Modeler (without specifying any particular issue of that magazine), It said thast the cars were Rock Island nos. 67750 through 67799 were built by General American Car Company in 1924 with a 40 ton capacity, with a AAR classification of RS.

Ken Montero
On 02/22/2022 1:47 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


On 2/22/2022 1:39 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
Bill, with a number like that, it would more likely be a hopper car.  Such
as they were, the RI reefers were numbered in 6xxxx series.

Let me know if I can help.

Regards,
Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 12:01 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTOS

 I am looking for photos of a Rock Island refer in the 87900 series. Would
greatly appreciate any help.

Bill Pardie

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: SEEKING PHOTOS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Hi Rich:

When I initiated this post I never imagined that there would be such a response.

Hope all is well with you.

Bill



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Rich C via groups.io" <rhcdmc@...>
Date: 2/24/22 4:38 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: RealSTMFC <realstmfc@groups.io>, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTOS

Another unique feature of this car is the small button/mushroom vents mounted on the upper ends

Rich Christie

On Wednesday, February 23, 2022, 09:19:11 PM CST, Earl Tuson <etuson@...> wrote:



> > Interestingly enough, the Marketing East/Taurus Products/Trout Creek Engineering kit for the Rock Island reefer was also sold as a PFE R-30-13 - with notes from Nelson McCormick and Prototype Modeler.

> I know, I have one of the PFE versions and have built it. It is
> certainly close the the PFE design if not exact. Since GATC was
> building PFE cars in the 1920s, it's very possible that the Rock Island
> cars were copies. PFE routinely allowed use of their drawings that way.

The '31 CBC included drawing of both. They are virtually the same, with
only a few very minor differences that would be irrelevant to most
modelers. For example, the cast draft arms for one are for a horizontal
coupler yoke (two draft keys,) while the other is suitable for a
vertical yoke (one key.) The single I beam appears to have a slightly
longer splice plate where it is cut  to taper to the bolster on one of
the cars in comparison to the other. But, the carbody and underframe is
the same design.

Earl Tuson






Re: SEEKING PHOTOS

Tim O'Connor
 


Wow, amazing to find something like that !

On 2/24/2022 4:08 PM, ron christensen via groups.io wrote:
Probably not the right type of reefer, but it might help.
 I took this at Silvis in 2004
Ron Christensen

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: SEEKING PHOTOS

ron christensen
 

Probably not the right type of reefer, but it might help.
 I took this at Silvis in 2004
Ron Christensen


Re: Can I kitbash this into a gondola that was on the road in 1955?

Todd Sullivan
 

Jeff,

A slightly different thought.  The model is patterned after the GONX cars introduced by Trailer Train (of TTX and RBOX fame) from the late 1970s-early 1980s, so you would need to find a modern car for your era that had the same number of side stakes and the same length and height.  Length and height can be determined by measuring the model and then researching ORERs, then begins the hunt for photos.

Todd Sullivan


Re: SEEKING PHOTOS

Kenneth Montero
 

Tony,

Thank you for the additional insight. I am sure that this will help a host of modelers.

Ken Montero

On 02/23/2022 2:27 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Ken Montero wrote:

 Interestingly enough, the Marketing East/Taurus Products/Trout Creek Engineering kit for the Rock Island reefer was also sold as a PFE R-30-13 - with notes from Nelson McCormick and Prototype Modeler.


I know, I have one of the PFE versions and have built it. It is certainly close the the PFE design if not exact. Since GATC was building PFE cars in the 1920s, it’s very possible that the Rock Island cars were copies. PFE routinely allowed use of their drawings that way.

Tony Thompson





Re: Can I kitbash this into a gondola that was on the road in 1955?

Jeffrey White
 

Thanks, looks like they go in the for sale stack.

Jeff White Alma IL

On 2/24/2022 2:24 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

No definitely not - model loosely based on the GONX design of the 1980's

On 2/24/2022 3:17 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

I was going through the kit stash and I found 5 of these Roundhouse gons.  Can I change the ends and build them into something that fits my 1955 era layout?

Jeff White Alma IL

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


LS&BC covered hoppers

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

I've done the artwork and am planning on having decals printed for the LS&BC 1958 cuft covered hoppers in the as-built paint scheme.  Is anyone interested in these?  I had not planned on doing multiple road numbers as the primary picture this was based on is car 104 and I have only built one model.  They are covered in RPCyc 27.  These would be a one time only run.  These decals have been printed before, but when I found and bought a set (offered through a hobby store no longer open), they were more S scale and entirely unsuited to my HO model.

Eric Mumper


Re: Can I kitbash this into a gondola that was on the road in 1955?

Tim O'Connor
 


No definitely not - model loosely based on the GONX design of the 1980's

On 2/24/2022 3:17 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

I was going through the kit stash and I found 5 of these Roundhouse gons.  Can I change the ends and build them into something that fits my 1955 era layout?

Jeff White Alma IL

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Can I kitbash this into a gondola that was on the road in 1955?

Jeffrey White
 

I was going through the kit stash and I found 5 of these Roundhouse gons.  Can I change the ends and build them into something that fits my 1955 era layout?

Jeff White Alma IL

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